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[GaryTaylor]

I didn’t root one way or another on whom I wanted to win. Here’s a comparison though

• I think Hillary is beatable because she is so damaged (self inflected wounds)
• I think Bernie is beatable because he’s too left, the establishment will put their money on state races. Bernie could do more long term harm than Trump and four yrs of Trump would give them someone to blame for problems (instead of Obama)
• I think Biden/Pocahontas would be the hard one for Trump to beat.

I think thats accurate and true. I also think with the DOJ making the final decision on criminal charges, that can also go either way as Hillary does better or worse in the near future with the polls.

 

[mary_bobo]

She has majority of the delegates selected directly by voters and that isn’t going to change, so, while the system of superdelegates is flawed, they are simply supporting what the Democratic electorate has chosen.

And if wrong-doing keeps trickling out, do you think most voters will stay with her then? I do not understand how so many can keep supporting her in light of all the “stuff” that has been coming out (and leaked). Surely the Dems can produce better than that.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

I didn’t root one way or another on whom I wanted to win. Here’s a comparison though

• I think Hillary is beatable because she is so damaged (self inflected wounds)
• I think Bernie is beatable because he’s too left, the establishment will put their money on state races. Bernie could do more long term harm than Trump and four yrs of Trump would give them someone to blame for problems (instead of Obama)
• I think Biden/Pocahontas would be the hard one for Trump to beat. They are unscathed and could unite the Dem party.

I’m more concerned about Bernie precisely because he is so far left and that is the direction this country is heading given Obama won twice.

 

[Crossbones]

And if wrong-doing keeps trickling out, do you think most voters will stay with her then? I do not understand how so many can keep supporting her in light of all the “stuff” that has been coming out (and leaked). Surely the Dems can produce better than that.

Trickling out, yes. Because most Democrats think this is just a witch hunt (Benhgazi or email). If there is an indictment, then they’ll sit it out and force a second ballot and probably select Sanders, Biden or Warren and I think Biden is the most likely.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Trickling out, yes. Because most Democrats think this is just a witch hunt (Benhgazi or email). If there is an indictment, then they’ll sit it out and force a second ballot and probably select Sanders, Biden or Warren and I think Biden is the most likely.

Time becomes a factor also, whoever runs needs to put a working national campaign in place. Hillary already has this going in, but in another 60 days or so, the window begins to close for others.

 

[Crossbones]

Time becomes a factor also, whoever runs needs to put a working national campaign in place. Hillary already has this going in, but in another 60 days or so, the window begins to close for others.

Agreed. But all reports are that Trump’s campaign is a bit disorganized and I think someone like Biden can step into the organization created by the Clintons with minimal disruption.

 

[estesbob]

I understand your view. But for many others I find it to be a much more difficult issue for them as they perhaps don’t view rights as so easily, neatly and perfectly balanced as do you. They may see the sacredness of the lives of others beyond the unborn fetus’s life and how these lives… of women and their family members… could be affected as well. Many simply don’t see the matter in the same light as do faithful Catholics. They see not everything as necessarily in black and white but instead view some grey. But it certainly remains a divisive issue politically and religiously no doubt.

And Jews were considered by many to be subhuman, blacks Only three fifths human and Indians to be savages who could be slaughtered at will. We simply can not countenance the slaughter of 1 million children and write it off as “political differences”

 

[Theo520]

And if wrong-doing keeps trickling out, do you think most voters will stay with her then? I do not understand how so many can keep supporting her in light of all the “stuff” that has been coming out (and leaked). Surely the Dems can produce better than that.

The ‘wrong doing’ needs to be a sledge hammer if it’s going to shift Dem voters. Example, the information in the IG report was mostly known already (dripped out) but combing it into the IG report finally gotten some attention to the fact she’s been lying.

Now will the FBI report be released as a hammer blow or contained and dripped out?

 

[Kevin12]

And Jews were considered by many to be subhuman, blacks Only three fifths human and Indians to be savages who could be slaughtered at will. We simply can not countenance the slaughter of 1 million children and write it off as “political differences”

If there were an election where there was, on the one hand, a candidate that supported the status quo on abortion and otherwise had positions you agreed with, and on the other hand, the Beast, a sea monster with seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemies, and the sea monster’s only platform is that it will absolutely ban abortion so it could eat every infant born in the country, would you vote for the beast?

 

[Songcatcher]

If there were an election where there was, on the one hand, a candidate that supported the status quo on abortion and otherwise had positions you agreed with, and on the other hand, the Beast, a sea monster with seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemies, and the sea monster’s only platform is that it will absolutely ban abortion so it could eat every infant born in the country, would you vote for the beast?

Only if the beast is Republican. The R after a candidate’s name makes everything negotiable.

 

[estesbob]

If there were an election where there was, on the one hand, a candidate that supported the status quo on abortion and otherwise had positions you agreed with, and on the other hand, the Beast, a sea monster with seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemies, and the sea monster’s only platform is that it will absolutely ban abortion so it could eat every infant born in the country, would you vote for the beast?

But of course that is not the situation we have. . The status quo is 1 million children killed a year-and the reason it is the status quo is too many Democrat Catholics rationalize why it is okay to support those who have vowed to keep this abomination legal

Abortion will remain legal in this country until Democrat Catholics come to love the unborn more than they hate the GOP

 

[Little_Sheep]

What’s the point of being a believer in Jesus Christ if we can’t be certain what his moral position on something like abortion might be?

I’m sorry, but I don’t I understand your question.

I personally find Christ’s calling to love God with all my heart and soul and might and to love my brother as myself to be the only meaningful way to live. Christ’s life and the messages of his life literally take my breath away. When I strive to live this path, the rewards of spirit that bless me and those with whom I journey are boundless, unparalleled and often hard to put into words! So I guess that’s the “point.”

But the striving is continually humbling. I am not wise enough to know the mind of God or have all the answers to the millions of difficult questions. Like every other human on Planet Earth, I suspect, I see through a mirror dimly.

Christ invites me into the mystery and I sally forth as best I can. But I have never believed that my Christian path gives me all the answers wrapped up in a tidy package. I honestly don’t even understand thinking that it would. Life is not a multiple choice test with the correct answers hidden somewhere in the books of the Bible.

 

[Little_Sheep]

I haven’t been able to find anyone who supports Hilary. I thought that her unending scandals had done her in. Apparently I was wrong because right here on this Catholic forum I have found many. I know that Trump is not a nice guy. The people evidently feel that times like these require a leader outside of the political mainstream. If nice was the criterion we could have chosen Huckaby. I am glad to see that Mrs. Clinton has some support though, not because I want her to win, but it at least demonstrates that there is something other than inevitability propping her up.

Yes, many of us (self included) tend to live in our own echo-chamber bubbles.

My darling sister lives in Asheville, NC and I were chatting a few months ago and she said, “LS, I literally do not know a single person here who is NOT voting for Bernie Sanders.” That wasn’t difficult for me to believe because I know Asheville, NC pretty well. And when I went to visit her a month or so after that conversation, there were Bernie signs everywhere as far as the eye could see. Still, I told her the truth - “Hillary is going to win the NC Democratic primary.” And, indeed, Hillary did.

I do understand why it seems like Hillary is inevitable, but it is sure to be a race to the finish. If nothing else, Mr. Trump has shown himself to be a fierce competitor and a savvy campaigner!

 

[Little_Sheep]

Or with what the earliest documents of the Church, which were written by those who had personal contact with the teachings of Christ, taught.

The Didache, written in the first century as a catechesis manual for the early Church, states “do not murder a child by abortion or kill a newborn infant.”

It is not possible to sanction abortion and to be a Christian.

Certainly, I understand your Church’s position on the issue, but I stand by my initial statement.

 

[Little_Sheep]

Well Clinton was the ONLY Democratic candidate and she stole all the super delegate votes, and Bernie Sanders is the one who should win as the candidate but he won’t, because the party is rigged that’s why.

Not rigged at all. If Bernie began to win (or won)the popular vote, the SDs would all put their support behind him. That’s exactly what happened in 2008 when Barack Obama began to win the popular vote - all the SDs who were initially for Hillary went to President Obama.

As it stands in 2016, Hillary will win many millions of more votes than Bernie - and she will be our party’s nominee. This, of course, is as it should be.

 

[Little_Sheep]

I’m more concerned about Bernie being the nominee. The anti-establishment fervor is very strong in this country. There just isn’t much enthusiasm for Clinton. The old-timers certainly like her, but the younger generation just isn’t that impressed with her.

It always tickles me when people say that there’s no enthusiasm for a candidate who has earned a million+ more individual votes than anyone else in the race thus far.

Hillary’s supporters have known and watched her forever, have seen all the good things she has done for this country and the world, have followed every “scandal” down each particular rabbit hole leading to jack-squat…we are more enthusiastic today than ever! We’ll show you for sure in November!

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Not rigged at all. If Bernie began to win (or won)the popular vote, the SDs would all put their support behind him. That’s exactly what happened in 2008 when Barack Obama began to win the popular vote - all the SDs who were initially for Hillary went to President Obama.

As it stands in 2016, Hillary will win many millions of more votes than Bernie - and she will be our party’s nominee. This, of course, is as it should be.

We’ll see.

 

[mary_bobo]

Trickling out, yes. Because most Democrats think this is just a witch hunt (Benhgazi or email). If there is an indictment, then they’ll sit it out and force a second ballot and probably select Sanders, Biden or Warren and I think Biden is the most likely.

With all due respect, if Dems think that, I think they are living in a dream world. Do I think anything will come of the FBI probe into Hillary? Don’t know. But if it does, the administration will cover for her. Only hope for knowing the real truth is for information to be leaked to the press by FBI investigators. Things get stranger and stranger.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

…Christ invites me into the mystery and I sally forth as best I can. But I have never believed that my Christian path gives me all the answers wrapped up in a tidy package. I honestly don’t even understand thinking that it would. Life is not a multiple choice test with the correct answers hidden somewhere in the books of the Bible.

I don’t pretend to know the answers to all of life’ mysteries. However, I do believe that we can know for certain what the final exam entails, and it is found in the human heart.

 

[Little_Sheep]

I don’t pretend to know the answers to all of life’ mysteries. However, I do believe that we can know for certain what the final exam entails, and it is found in the human heart.

I agree that it is imprinted in our hearts. Still, many sincere, devout Christian hearts reach seemingly different conclusions about any number of unanswerables…hence, the Mystery, a place with room for all of us to honorably dwell.