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[Stylteralmaldo]

It always tickles me when people say that there’s no enthusiasm for a candidate who has earned a million+ more individual votes than anyone else in the race thus far.

Hillary’s supporters have known and watched her forever, have seen all the good things she has done for this country and the world, have followed every “scandal” down each particular rabbit hole leading to jack-squat…we are more enthusiastic today than ever! We’ll show you for sure in November!

As with anything I post, I can’t speak for what is truly going on elsewhere in the country, but only my own home state.

Here, the Democrats are not united and Bernie is probably more popular than Trump. And even though I believe that Trump isn’t all that popular here, his popularity is growing whereas Clinton’s remains stagnant.

Before Trump’s nomination, I would have put my home state as a toss up. After Trump’s nomination, I would have placed it into Democrat territory. However, something I did not foresee was the Republican Party starting to solidify sooner than the Democrat Party which puts my home state back as a toss up.

There is a sense here that Democratic nomination process isn’t sitting well with the Millenials. Whether the Millenials get over that process when Bernie fails to get the nomination remains to be seen.

 

[Theo520]

Not rigged at all. If Bernie began to win (or won)the popular vote, the SDs would all put their support behind him. That’s exactly what happened in 2008 when Barack Obama began to win the popular vote - all the SDs who were initially for Hillary went to President Obama.

As it stands in 2016, Hillary will win many millions of more votes than Bernie - and she will be our party’s nominee. This, of course, is as it should be.

I don’t think the SD would support Bernie if they had another option.
If Hillary is damaged with an indictment or if supporting documentation on ‘pay for play’ during during her SOC tenure are released, she’ll become toxic for the party to get behind.

I don’t think you can say Obama and Bernie are the same though, Obama campaigned in 08 as a uniter and the first black POTUS, very powerful. Bernie is fundamentally a socialist and doesn’t have broad appeal outside his base. Dem donors aren’t behind his tax and spend proposals. Obama tied/beat Hillary for votes and pledged delegates, which Bernie can’t do. He can close the gap but I don’t think he can exceed Hillary.

Biden would be a much cleaner candidate for the Dem party to support.

 

[Little_Sheep]

As with anything I post, I can’t speak for what is truly going on elsewhere in the country, but only my own home state.

Here, the Democrats are not united and Bernie is probably more popular than Trump. And even though I believe that Trump isn’t all that popular here, his popularity is growing whereas Clinton’s remains stagnant.

Before Trump’s nomination, I would have put my home state as a toss up. After Trump’s nomination, I would have placed it into Democrat territory. However, something I did not foresee was the Republican Party starting to solidify sooner than the Democrat Party which puts my home state back as a toss up.

There is a sense here that Democratic nomination process isn’t sitting well with the Millenials. Whether the Millenials get over that process when Bernie fails to get the nomination remains to be seen.

I hear you. I well remember the PUMAs (Party Unity My A–) in the wake of Obama defeating Hillary in 2008…Hillary supporters were beyond furious. It seems to me that it’s always angry like that at the end of a hard-fought primary.

History seems to show that those wounds heal up pretty quickly once a nominee is chosen and November looms large. I feel like, once all is said and done, most #neverTrumpers will make peace with the Republican winner and most Bernie supporters will enthusiastically back Hillary. Bernie has repeatedly stated he will endorse Hillary. Things are a bit more rocky for the Republicans, but many are already coming around.

I’ve always felt like the Dem primary would draw out through California. After all, Hillary is defeating Bernie in much the same way that Obama defeated Hillary (i.e. - taking an early lead in delegates and popular vote and then staying ahead enough to pick off what she needs). For me as a Dem, this has felt very similar to 2008.

 

[Crossbones]

I hear you. I well remember the PUMAs (Party Unity My A–) in the wake of Obama defeating Hillary in 2008…Hillary supporters were beyond furious. It seems to me that it’s always angry like that at the end of a hard-fought primary.

History seems to show that those wounds heal up pretty quickly once a nominee is chosen and November looms large. I feel like, once all is said and done, most #neverTrumpers will make peace with the Republican winner and most Bernie supporters will enthusiastically back Hillary. Bernie has repeatedly stated he will endorse Hillary. Things are a bit more rocky for the Republicans, but many are already coming around.

I’ve always felt like the Dem primary would draw out through California. After all, Hillary is defeating Bernie in much the same way that Obama defeated Hillary (i.e. - taking an early lead in delegates and popular vote and then staying ahead enough to pick off what she needs). For me as a Dem, this has felt very similar to 2008.

Or that it took Republicans a week to unify around Donald Trump after fighting with conservative favorites like Glenn Beck, the Bushes and Megyn Kelly and pretty much ignoring social conservatives.

 

[Little_Sheep]

I don’t think the SD would support Bernie if they had another option.
If Hillary is damaged with an indictment or if supporting documentation on ‘pay for play’ during during her SOC tenure are released, she’ll become toxic for the party to get behind.

I don’t think you can say Obama and Bernie are the same though, Obama campaigned in 08 as a uniter and the first black POTUS, very powerful. Bernie is fundamentally a socialist and doesn’t have broad appeal outside his base. Dem donors aren’t behind his tax and spend proposals. Obama tied/beat Hillary for votes and pledged delegates, which Bernie can’t do. He can close the gap but I don’t think he can exceed Hillary.

Biden would be a much cleaner candidate for the Dem party to support.

Yes, yes - I agree that Bernie and Obama are very different types of candidates with different messages and platforms. I’m just saying that they WAY Hillary is beating Bernie feels just like the WAY Obama beat Hillary.

Looking ahead, I think that Democrats (as a Party) will start to look more and more like the Sanders’ message (this won’t happen over night, but over the course of a few national cycles) and that Republicans will look more and more like Trump’s (a very progressive “Republican”) message.

It feels like the whole country is shifting left. Trump is many things but he is certainly not an idealogical Conservative. In any event, I’ve long thought that there is not much different between the Republican Party and the Democrat Party as we know them today.

Possibly a genuinely Conservative Party will emerge from all of this. I myself would love for the country to have a genuinely Conservative Party - that voice is very important. Unfortunately (and this is just my opinion of course), we haven’t had a genuinely Conservative Party in a decades.

Only time will tell. I’m confidant it will all work out, though I know it caused lots of angst!

 

[Little_Sheep]

Or that it took Republicans a week to unify around Donald Trump after fighting with conservative favorites like Glenn Beck, the Bushes and Megyn Kelly and pretty much ignoring social conservatives.

Yes, I agree that social conservatives are definitely getting the short end of the stick.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Yes, I agree that social conservatives are definitely getting the short end of the stick.

Well, that’s the price people pay for not voting their values. We had a decent candidate with Ted Cruz but the base chose Trump.

If he loses, there’s no blaming this one on the establishment…

 

[SuperLuigi]

It always tickles me when people say that there’s no enthusiasm for a candidate who has earned a million+ more individual votes than anyone else in the race thus far.

Hillary’s supporters have known and watched her forever, have seen all the good things she has done for this country and the world, have followed every “scandal” down each particular rabbit hole leading to jack-squat…we are more enthusiastic today than ever! We’ll show you for sure in November!

People are not that enthusiast about the current DEM frontrunner or Sanders wouldn’t be doing so well. But really with both frontrunners, it’s more about stopping the other person.

Also, the DEM frontunner has more votes because the GOP had 17 major candidates at one point, many of whom were running for the first time.

On the GOP side, the grassroots won’t be able to blame the establishment for a loss. It will be most entirely their doing.

For the Democrats, it was always going to be there for the current frontrunner.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Or that it took Republicans a week to unify around Donald Trump after fighting with conservative favorites like Glenn Beck, the Bushes and Megyn Kelly and pretty much ignoring social conservatives.

Since when is Megyn Kelly a part of the GOP?

 

[Kevin12]

But of course that is not the situation we have. . The status quo is 1 million children killed a year-and the reason it is the status quo is too many Democrat Catholics rationalize why it is okay to support those who have vowed to keep this abomination legal

Abortion will remain legal in this country until Democrat Catholics come to love the unborn more than they hate the GOP

I didn’t ask about the present situation, I’m asking just how much insane evil you are willing to tolerate from a candidate simply because they at least say they oppose abortion. If Hitler were willing to say he opposed abortion, would you vote for Hitler? Because in spite of what the media is telling you, just a few months ago, Trump was not just calling for a ban on Muslims non-citizens entering the country, he was considering internment camps and house arrests: abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/donald-trump-speaks-plan-ban-muslims-35640498

If you vote for Trump, I hope at least you won’t complain when his SS-style “deportation force” comes for you or your family, simply because he said he would ban something the president doesn’t have the power to ban, and which would require a constitutional amendment to ban.

 

[anon67074017]

I didn’t ask about the present situation, I’m asking just how much insane evil you are willing to tolerate from a candidate simply because they at least say they oppose abortion. If Hitler were willing to say he opposed abortion, would you vote for Hitler? Because in spite of what the media is telling you, just a few months ago, Trump was not just calling for a ban on Muslims non-citizens entering the country, he was considering internment camps and house arrests: abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/donald-trump-speaks-plan-ban-muslims-35640498

If you vote for Trump, I hope at least you won’t complain when his SS-style “deportation force” comes for you or your family, simply because he said he would ban something the president doesn’t have the power to ban, and which would require a constitutional amendment to ban.

Trump is not a fascist. He is a conservative populist like Vladimir Putin. Putin is against fascism.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Kevin12;13935886]I didn’t ask about the present situation, I’m asking just how much insane evil you are willing to tolerate from a candidate simply because they at least say they oppose abortion. If Hitler were willing to say he opposed abortion, would you vote for Hitler? Because in spite of what the media is telling you, just a few months ago, Trump was not just calling for a ban on Muslims non-citizens entering the country, he was considering internment camps and house arrests:

Interestingly enough, it was a Democratic president in the USA who put people into government camps…

As far as abortion goes, I don’t sell out on that. But people who supported Hitler probably never knew it would come to what it did. So hindsight would be 20-20.

If you vote for Trump, I hope at least you won’t complain when his SS-style “deportation force” comes for you or your family, simply because he said he would ban something the president doesn’t have the power to ban, and which would require a constitutional amendment to ban.

Actually, as a Catholic who has worked for the reservation business, I’m much more concerned with the secular progressive police force that cannot handle a business turning away someone in good conscience in the free-market than I am about liberal conspiracy theories and lies about Donald J. Trump.

I hope that those who vote for the Democrats don’t complain if the USA loses its status as a first world nation, becomes a banana republic and doesn’t have the funding for things like defending Oceania, Europe and Asia from a Russian/Chinese/radical sharia law conquest (wouldn’t that be great for GLBTQ folks) and/or Gender and African-American studies because everyone is boiling their own water and growing their own food.

 

[Little_Sheep]

People are not that enthusiast about the current DEM frontrunner or Sanders wouldn’t be doing so well. But really with both frontrunners, it’s more about stopping the other person.

Also, the DEM frontunner has more votes because the GOP had 17 major candidates at one point, many of whom were running for the first time.

On the GOP side, the grassroots won’t be able to blame the establishment for a loss. It will be most entirely their doing.

For the Democrats, it was always going to be there for the current frontrunner.

I definitely agree that the Republicans had a purist in Mr. Cruz and I know Cruz’s defeat must sting for genuine ideological conservative people. But I honestly don’t know if Cruz could have won in the general. I feel like one of the reasons that Republicans went for Trump is that they truly believe he’s the best shot at beating Hillary - probably just because of his name recognition and celebrity - it’s certainly not because of his Republican ideals.

I might be wrong, but quite a few of my elder SC relatives (dyed-in-the-wool Republicans) voted for Trump because “he’s the only one who has a shot to beat Hillary!” Again, I know that’s anecdotal, but it makes sense to me.

And I completely agree that because of such a large field, it was difficult for any one of the Republican candidates to amass as many votes as Hillary.

That said, Hillary is the definitive favorite of the Democratic Party based on popular vote alone. As for me, I like(d) Bernie, but I don’t believe our country as a whole is ready to embrace his message and I don’t believe he has any valid way of getting the things he wants to happen to happen. I always prefer a centrist and, in our race, Hillary is the clear centrist. I believe her moderate, reasoned positions will resonate more with the general electorate than Bernie’s ever could have.

 

[Crossbones]

Since when is Megyn Kelly a part of the GOP?

You think she’s on TV because liberals and Democrats like her?

 

[Crossbones]

Trump is not a fascist. He is a conservative populist like Vladimir Putin. Putin is against fascism.

Well, as long as he’s only like Putin, then I can’t see any reason not to support him. After all, Putin practically started a war with the Ukraine and went into Syria with the idea of attacking Assad’s enemies instead of going after ISIS.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Well, as long as he’s only like Putin, then I can’t see any reason not to support him. After all, Putin practically started a war with the Ukraine and went into Syria with the idea of attacking Assad’s enemies instead of going after ISIS.

And he probably did so knowing that Barack Obama was a weak leader.

What was that he signaled to Putin in late 2012? Wait until after the election, Vlad?

youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

 

[Crossbones]

And he probably did so knowing that Barack Obama was a weak leader.

What was that he signaled to Putin in late 2012? Wait until after the election, Vlad?

youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

Uh, huh. And this is a prime example why Democrats don’t believe that Hillary will be found to do anything wrong in Benghazi or with the email server. Because Republicans blame EVERYTHING on the Democrat.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I definitely agree that the Republicans had a purist in Mr. Cruz and I know Cruz’s defeat must sting for genuine ideological conservative people. But I honestly don’t know if Cruz could have won in the general. I feel like one of the reasons that Republicans went for Trump is that they truly believe he’s the best shot at beating Hillary - probably just because of his name recognition and celebrity - it’s certainly not because of his Republican ideals.

I might be wrong, but quite a few of my elder SC relatives (dyed-in-the-wool Republicans) voted for Trump because “he’s the only one who has a shot to beat Hillary!” Again, I know that’s anecdotal, but it makes sense to me.

And I completely agree that because of such a large field, it was difficult for any one of the Republican candidates to amass as many votes as Hillary.

That said, Hillary is the definitive favorite of the Democratic Party based on popular vote alone. As for me, I like(d) Bernie, but I don’t believe our country as a whole is ready to embrace his message and I don’t believe he has any valid way of getting the things he wants to happen to happen. I always prefer a centrist and, in our race, Hillary is the clear centrist. I believe her moderate, reasoned positions will resonate more with the general electorate than Bernie’s ever could have.

Well, I prefer Clinton centrism to Bernie’s radicalism. The fact is no Congress could ever work with Sander’s plans. They aren’t realistic or practical and would cost the Democrats dearly as a party and frankly destroy the country. The money and the incentive just isn’t there.

As far as Cruz goes, he was everything that supposedly all these home-grown, moral voters wanted. Yet, they chose Trump, I guess because he was the loudest and most direct.

Cruz would have been a better candidate because

1. In 2012 Romney won independents and 93% of the GOP vote and still lost. He even won independents in Ohio by 10 points and still lost the state. The GOP MUST turn out their base. I’m not that concerned about independents because they’ve been voting GOP since 2009 and the Democrats haven’t given them any reason whatsoever to change.
2. Part of the problem the GOP has had since 2008 has been Evangelical outreach. Granted, I would simply expect these folks to vote based on love of country and professed morality, but unfortunately, it’s not quite that easy. And being Catholic I can’t say TOO much because our bloc goes Democratic. Cruz is an Evangelical from the South, so he appeals to them by just being himself.
3. Cruz, unlike Trump, has more ethnic immunity. The left and the Clinton machine as it’s notoriously called, cannot go after him as much, or Hispanics in Nevada, New Mexico and other swing states will wonder why old, rich, white career politicians from the ritzy northeast are attacking the first-ever Hispanic presidential candidate.

I disagree that Trump was the best to beat Clinton His negatives are high and Cruz was polling just as well as Trump was. So there was no reason at all I could have supported Trump.

 

[Little_Sheep]

Well, I prefer Clinton centrism to Bernie’s radicalism. The fact is no Congress could ever work with Sander’s plans. They aren’t realistic or practical and would cost the Democrats dearly as a party and frankly destroy the country. The money and the incentive just isn’t there.

As far as Cruz goes, he was everything that supposedly all these home-grown, moral voters wanted. Yet, they chose Trump, I guess because he was the loudest and most direct.

Cruz would have been a better candidate because

1. In 2012 Romney won independents and 93% of the GOP vote and still lost. He even won independents in Ohio by 10 points and still lost the state. The GOP MUST turn out their base. I’m not that concerned about independents because they’ve been voting GOP since 2009 and the Democrats haven’t given them any reason whatsoever to change.
2. Part of the problem the GOP has had since 2008 has been Evangelical outreach. Granted, I would simply expect these folks to vote based on love of country and professed morality, but unfortunately, it’s not quite that easy. And being Catholic I can’t say TOO much because our bloc goes Democratic. Cruz is an Evangelical from the South, so he appeals to them by just being himself.
3. Cruz, unlike Trump, has more ethnic immunity. The left and the Clinton machine as it’s notoriously called, cannot go after him as much, or Hispanics in Nevada, New Mexico and other swing states will wonder why old, rich, white career politicians from the ritzy northeast are attacking the first-ever Hispanic presidential candidate.

I disagree that Trump was the best to beat Clinton His negatives are high and Cruz was polling just as well as Trump was. So there was no reason at all I could have supported Trump.

I agree with much of what you say about Sanders What I question is this - are their enough of your fellow citizens who are as far right as Cruz? I just honestly don’t think there are.

A brief look towards young Evangelicals tells me that they disagree with many of the socially conservative issues that Republicans wrapped themselves around starting in the 1980s. I actually think it is those issues that have caused a fall-off in Republican support. Young people are our future, of course. When the Republican Party did an autopsy following the Romney loss, young voters repeatedly voiced their support for marriage equality and abortion rights - they have a hard time hearing a conservative message beyond those things. I don’t have a link to that autopsy report but I am sure you could find it easily.

I think right now, our country leans left. I am a centrist Democrat and I would have voted for Trump over Cruz. I know lots of centrist Democrats who feel the same way.

But the truth of the matter is that this particular election cycle will not prove either of our theories right or wrong.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Well, I prefer Clinton centrism to Bernie’s radicalism. The fact is no Congress could ever work with Sander’s plans. They aren’t realistic or practical and would cost the Democrats dearly as a party and frankly destroy the country. The money and the incentive just isn’t there.

As far as Cruz goes, he was everything that supposedly all these home-grown, moral voters wanted. Yet, they chose Trump, I guess because he was the loudest and most direct.

Cruz would have been a better candidate because

1. In 2012 Romney won independents and 93% of the GOP vote and still lost. He even won independents in Ohio by 10 points and still lost the state. The GOP MUST turn out their base. I’m not that concerned about independents because they’ve been voting GOP since 2009 and the Democrats haven’t given them any reason whatsoever to change.
2. Part of the problem the GOP has had since 2008 has been Evangelical outreach. Granted, I would simply expect these folks to vote based on love of country and professed morality, but unfortunately, it’s not quite that easy. And being Catholic I can’t say TOO much because our bloc goes Democratic. Cruz is an Evangelical from the South, so he appeals to them by just being himself.
3. Cruz, unlike Trump, has more ethnic immunity. The left and the Clinton machine as it’s notoriously called, cannot go after him as much, or Hispanics in Nevada, New Mexico and other swing states will wonder why old, rich, white career politicians from the ritzy northeast are attacking the first-ever Hispanic presidential candidate.

I disagree that Trump was the best to beat Clinton His negatives are high and Cruz was polling just as well as Trump was. So there was no reason at all I could have supported Trump.

Trump has done better with Evangelicals though than Cruz, I think.