Catholic.com presidential poll

[Little_Sheep]

Trump has done better with Evangelicals though than Cruz, I think.

Trump certainly swept Evangelicals up in SC (and much of the rest of the South that same Tuesday) - that’s when I started to accept the probable fate of the Republican Party.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

If Hitler were willing to say he opposed abortion, would you vote for Hitler?

This is a great question. If Hitler were running against Joseph Stalin, would it be better to not vote or to vote for the candidate you believe would do the least amount of damage? In this case, I believe Hitler would do less damage than Joseph Stalin so he would be my choice, as terrible of a choice that would be.

The only reason to vote 3rd party (or abstain from voting) is due to both candidates being equally bad (which is my opinion would be rare if it is even possible for both to be equally bad).

 

[Tomdstone]

If Hitler were running against Joseph Stalin, would it be better to not vote or to vote for the candidate you believe would do the least amount of damage? In this case, I believe Hitler would do less damage than Joseph Stalin so he would be my choice, as terrible of a choice that would be.

I would not vote for Adolf Hitler because IMHO it is wrong to gas millions of innocent people to death.

 

[Darryl1958]

I would not vote for Adolf Hitler because IMHO it is wrong to gas millions of innocent people to death.

It is a ludicrous question.

Replacing one genocide with another is not pro-life.

Of course, Nazis were not above slicing Slavic babies out of their mothers wombs either. Abortion and other forms of genetic cleansing through abortion was what Nazis are all about.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

I would not vote for Adolf Hitler because IMHO it is wrong to gas millions of innocent people to death.

So you would allow Joseph Stalin to win the election?

ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789

But how many people is he responsible for killing?

In February 1989, two years before the fall of the Soviet Union, a research paper by Georgian historian Roy Aleksandrovich Medvedev published in the weekly tabloid Argumenti i Fakti estimated that the death toll directly attributable to Stalin’s rule amounted to some 20 million lives (on top of the estimated 20 million Soviet troops and civilians who perished in the Second World War), for a total tally of 40 million.

‘‘It’s important that they published it, although the numbers themselves are horrible,’’ Medvedev told the New York Times at the time.

‘‘Those numbers include my father.’’

Medevedev’s grim bookkeeping included the following tragic episodes: 1 million imprisoned or exiled between 1927 to 1929; 9 to 11 million peasants forced off their lands and another 2 to 3 million peasants arrested or exiled in the mass collectivization program; 6 to 7 million killed by an artificial famine in 1932-1934; 1 million exiled from Moscow and Leningrad in 1935; 1 million executed during the ‘‘Great Terror’’ of 1937-1938; 4 to 6 million dispatched to forced labor camps; 10 to 12 million people forcibly relocated during World War II; and at least 1 million arrested for various “political crimes” from 1946 to 1953.

Although not everyone who was swept up in the aforementioned events died from unnatural causes, Medvedev’s 20 million non-combatant deaths estimate is likely a conservative guess. Indeed, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the literary giant who wrote harrowingly about the Soviet gulag system, claimed the true number of Stalin’s victims might have been as high as 60 million.

Most other estimates from reputed scholars and historians tend to range from between 20 and 60 million.

In his book, “Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954,” I.G. Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million “unnatural deaths” during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin.

In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.

Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev, a Soviet politician and historian, estimated 35 million deaths.

Even some who have put out estimates based on research admit their calculations may be inadequate.

My intent here is not to equate Hitler and Stalin with Trump and Clinton.

However, the fact of the matter is that we do have two pro-abortion candidates running of which one or the other will be President of this country. Which of the two is worse, the one who said she explicitly wants to expand access to the murder of unborn children or the one who wants to limit that murder to ‘the exceptions’ and said he’d deport millions of illegal aliens?

 

[GaryTaylor]

However, the fact of the matter is that we do have two pro-abortion candidates running of which one or the other will be President of this country. Which of the two is worse, the one who said she explicitly wants to expand access to the murder of unborn children or the one who wants to limit that murder to ‘the exceptions’ and said he’d deport millions of illegal aliens?

Well you could always not vote and comply by silence with perhaps the greater evil? Hows that for a set of choices. Good thing we have all these christians coming out of the woodwork to vote due to the priorities of the past 8-years. Trump needs to make a better case in couple areas where he has been unclear but he’s heading to a evangelical meeting.

The major difference between today and four years ago, he believes, are issues that affect Christians. According to Caprio, “there are four key issues that are now, in a bigger way than before, motivating Christians to vote: religious freedom, and a growing belief government is its prime enemy; Islamic terrorism, and we certainly see its ugly side in the videos of beheadings; the attack upon traditional marriage; and the pro-life cause."

“Just over 50 percent of Christian voters turned out for the 2012 and 2008 presidential elections and that was a problem for the Republican candidates in those years,”

newsmax.com/John-Gizzi/christian-2016-president/2015/12/31/id/707745/

newsmax.com/Politics/Donald-Trump-Evangelical-Leaders-Tony-Perkins-Social-Conservatives/2016/05/23/id/730173/

Trump is meeting June 21 in New York City with as many as 500 Christian leaders — a get-together arranged with the help of Trump supporter Ben Carson, Family Research Council head Tony Perkins and Bill Dallas of United in Purpose.
“Our goal is to be able to have a conversation that could lead to a better understanding of what Donald Trump has to offer to the country,” Tony Perkins told Fox News.

Perkins concedes he’s “not there yet” behind Trump — and neither are other Christian leaders, including a small number who are urging congregants to stay home on Election Day.

“I want to be actively supportive of a candidate who can help turn this nation around,” Perkins explained. “With Trump — I’m not there yet. I hope to be there — but I’m not there right now.”

Admittedly they are fickle and tribal and they do come out and sway the elections when they are fed up and informed. It really shouldn’t take much by Trump to clarify his position.

christianpost.com/news/huckabee-if-10-percent-more-evangelicals-had-voted-obama-would-not-be-president-127126/

 

[CHRISTINE77]

So you would allow Joseph Stalin to win the election?

ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789

My intent here is not to equate Hitler and Stalin with Trump and Clinton.

However, the fact of the matter is that we do have two pro-abortion candidates running of which one or the other will be President of this country. Which of the two is worse, the one who said she explicitly wants to expand access to the murder of unborn children or the one who wants to limit that murder to ‘the exceptions’ and said he’d deport millions of illegal aliens?

The answer is obvious, the lesser of two evis: Trump. But actually he isn’t evil. What does deporting illegal aliens have to do with abortion? People who come into this country should have to learn the language, the history and become naturalized citizens. Otherwise - out.

 

[chero23]

The answer is obvious, the lesser of two evis: Trump. But actually he isn’t evil. What does deporting illegal aliens have to do with abortion? People who come into this country should have to learn the language, the history and become naturalized citizens. Otherwise - out.

It is evil bc a lot of these individuals that come, work their behinds off. We have a lot of US citizens that get the free handouts without even stepping foot in a job.

Plus, by sending these people back your separating families. Some by which might never see each other again.

 

[chero23]

This is a great question. If Hitler were running against Joseph Stalin, would it be better to not vote or to vote for the candidate you believe would do the least amount of damage? In this case, I believe Hitler would do less damage than Joseph Stalin so he would be my choice, as terrible of a choice that would be.

The only reason to vote 3rd party (or abstain from voting) is due to both candidates being equally bad (which is my opinion would be rare if it is even possible for both to be equally bad).

If that was my choice, I would not vote.

 

[chero23]

With all due respect, if Dems think that, I think they are living in a dream world. Do I think anything will come of the FBI probe into Hillary? Don’t know. But if it does, the administration will cover for her. Only hope for knowing the real truth is for information to be leaked to the press by FBI investigators. Things get stranger and stranger.

Idk about covering for her. Remember the FBI director is overseeing the process and we had prominent conservatives say, that with the director overseeing the truth will reveal.

If that’s the case and she’s not indicted, then they didn’t find anything illegal.

Besides Trump is going through his personal court hearings.

 

[Ridgerunner]

It is evil bc a lot of these individuals that come, work their behinds off. We have a lot of US citizens that get the free handouts without even stepping foot in a job.

Plus, by sending these people back your separating families. Some by which might never see each other again.

Not all work their backsides off. Ask any welfare worker who has significant contact with the immigrant community, and they’ll tell you. Problem is, there is not system in place to separate the two.

And people will definitely see their families again, if they all go home. What about the families they left in the home country? But the reality is that illegals go back home a lot. Some return and some don’t.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Idk about covering for her. Remember the FBI director is overseeing the process and we had prominent conservatives say, that with the director overseeing the truth will reveal.

If that’s the case and she’s not indicted, then they didn’t find anything illegal.

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Oh, not at all.

Indictments are up to the Justice Department, not the FBI. The FBI could find a hundred crimes, but if the Justice Dept doesn’t prosecute them, that certainly doesn’t mean Hillary Clinton didn’t commit a crime. It just means that the political fix is in.

 

[Crossbones]

Oh, not at all.

Indictments are up to the Justice Department, not the FBI. The FBI could find a hundred crimes, but if the Justice Dept doesn’t prosecute them, that certainly doesn’t mean Hillary Clinton didn’t commit a crime. It just means that the political fix is in.

Ah, the built-in conspiracy theory. If she not indicted, it’s not because she didn’t commit a crime but because of political favors. Well played.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

It is evil bc a lot of these individuals that come, work their behinds off. We have a lot of US citizens that get the free handouts without even stepping foot in a job.

Plus, by sending these people back your separating families. Some by which might never see each other again.

O believe me they will be back, they always come back (and forth). (Unless we get that wall built ha ha.) Mexican labor is just cheap labor for rich people, so they don’t have to pay decent wages. If we got rid of a lot of Mexican labor, there would be more decent wages for other people.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Ah, the built-in conspiracy theory. If she not indicted, it’s not because she didn’t commit a crime but because of political favors. Well played.

This administration has its agendas, and uses the Justice Department to promote them. They don’t even deny that. Do you honestly believe Loretta Lynch will indict Hillary Clinton, particularly if the FBI simply presents its findings with no recommendation one way or the other?

Most Americans do think the Justice Dept acts politically. rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2014/voters_think_justice_department_motivated_mostly_by_politics

 

[Crossbones]

This administration has its agendas, and uses the Justice Department to promote them. They don’t even deny that. Do you honestly believe Loretta Lynch will indict Hillary Clinton, particularly if the FBI simply presents its findings with no recommendation one way or the other?

And that’s what great about this issue:

• Hillary Clinton gets indicted. Clearly she did something wrong.
• Hillary Clinton doesn’t get indicted. It’s a political coverup.

Either way, those on the right have decided she’s guilty and have a ready made excuse for whatever happens next.

 

[Theo520]

It is evil bc a lot of these individuals that come, work their behinds off. We have a lot of US citizens that get the free handouts without even stepping foot in a job.

Plus, by sending these people back your separating families. Some by which might never see each other again.

• people of such industry can be successful in their native country. As their US entry level jobs become available, we can move people off welfare. It’s a win win.
• no families need be separated, illegal parents should be required to take and raise their children as a proper family in their home country. When the anchor babies become adults, they can decide if they want to come to US.

 

[Ridgerunner]

And that’s what great about this issue:

• Hillary Clinton gets indicted. Clearly she did something wrong.
• Hillary Clinton doesn’t get indicted. It’s a political coverup.

Either way, those on the right have decided she’s guilty and have a ready made excuse for whatever happens next.

If Hillary Clinton doesn’t get indicted it might or might not mean she is guilty or not guilty. That’s the problem with this Justice Department. It acts politically in other ways, so why should anyone trust them with this one?

But I think there is a fairly widespread belief that if the FBI recommends indictment but the Justice Dept doesn’t to it, there might well be a lot of leakage from the former.

And too, there appear to be two investigations going on; the email thing and the Clinton foundation corruption. The second, it appears, will not be finished before the election.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I’m sorry, but I don’t I understand your question.

I personally find Christ’s calling to love God with all my heart and soul and might and to love my brother as myself to be the only meaningful way to live. Christ’s life and the messages of his life literally take my breath away. When I strive to live this path, the rewards of spirit that bless me and those with whom I journey are boundless, unparalleled and often hard to put into words! So I guess that’s the “point.”

But the striving is continually humbling. I am not wise enough to know the mind of God or have all the answers to the millions of difficult questions. Like every other human on Planet Earth, I suspect, I see through a mirror dimly.

Christ invites me into the mystery and I sally forth as best I can. But I have never believed that my Christian path gives me all the answers wrapped up in a tidy package. I honestly don’t even understand thinking that it would. Life is not a multiple choice test with the correct answers hidden somewhere in the books of the Bible.

A beautiful response, Little Sheep. It touched my heart and itself was a blessing for me to read. Continued blessings to you and to those with whom you journey!

 

[Theo520]

And that’s what great about this issue:

• Hillary Clinton gets indicted. Clearly she did something wrong.
• Hillary Clinton doesn’t get indicted. It’s a political coverup.

Either way, those on the right have decided she’s guilty and have a ready made excuse for whatever happens next.

CB, basic wrong doing has already been clearly established. It’s always been just a question about the consequences.

• she broke security and FOIA protocols (confirmed in IG report as a start)
• she mishandled confidential information (several thousand emails confirmed)

The most you can argue is she was bamboozled and isolated from the wrongdoing by her aides, and throw them under the bus.