Catholic.com presidential poll

[Sy_Noe]

I hear you. I well remember the PUMAs (Party Unity My A–) in the wake of Obama defeating Hillary in 2008…Hillary supporters were beyond furious. It seems to me that it’s always angry like that at the end of a hard-fought primary.

History seems to show that those wounds heal up pretty quickly once a nominee is chosen and November looms large. I feel like, once all is said and done, most #neverTrumpers will make peace with the Republican winner and most Bernie supporters will enthusiastically back Hillary. Bernie has repeatedly stated he will endorse Hillary. Things are a bit more rocky for the Republicans, but many are already coming around.

I’ve always felt like the Dem primary would draw out through California. After all, Hillary is defeating Bernie in much the same way that Obama defeated Hillary (i.e. - taking an early lead in delegates and popular vote and then staying ahead enough to pick off what she needs). For me as a Dem, this has felt very similar to 2008.

I agree with everything you said here, LS. And it’s very similar for me too. I was an Obama primary voter in 08 and I know you were with Hillary since I recall you saying awhile back on another thread that you had pulled out all your Hillary gear. Hillary did well against Obama in the latter stages in 08 but it was not enough. And Obama went on to win not only the general election that yr but then another. It’s the same this yr with Bernie and Hillary. As you said she has defeated Bernie in much the same way as Obama defeated her back then. The role has merely been reversed for Hillary. And for the 2 of us. This time your gal has prevailed and I will be standing there right with you in the fall. To me on the issues alone, Bernie is much more aligned with Hillary and the Democratic Party than he is with Trump and the Republican. That’s the reason he as caucused with the Democrats in the Senate. So I find it not surprising at all that he has said he will do all he can to assure Trump and the Republicans do not gain control of the WH.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I definitely agree that the Republicans had a purist in Mr. Cruz and I know Cruz’s defeat must sting for genuine ideological conservative people. But I honestly don’t know if Cruz could have won in the general. I feel like one of the reasons that Republicans went for Trump is that they truly believe he’s the best shot at beating Hillary - probably just because of his name recognition and celebrity - it’s certainly not because of his Republican ideals.

I might be wrong, but quite a few of my elder SC relatives (dyed-in-the-wool Republicans) voted for Trump because “he’s the only one who has a shot to beat Hillary!” Again, I know that’s anecdotal, but it makes sense to me.

And I completely agree that because of such a large field, it was difficult for any one of the Republican candidates to amass as many votes as Hillary.

That said, Hillary is the definitive favorite of the Democratic Party based on popular vote alone. As for me, I like(d) Bernie, but I don’t believe our country as a whole is ready to embrace his message and I don’t believe he has any valid way of getting the things he wants to happen to happen. I always prefer a centrist and, in our race, Hillary is the clear centrist. I believe her moderate, reasoned positions will resonate more with the general electorate than Bernie’s ever could have.

LOL, LS. This got me thinking. I usually prefer someone more to the left in Democratic primaries. Sometimes I’ve voted for candidates in primaries even after they’ve withdrawn. No wonder my Democratic primary candidates lose more often than not. I went back searching the yrs and here is my list in contested primaries if I recall correctly:

Carter, Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, Paul Simon, Tom Harkin, Bill Bradley, Dennis Kucinich, Obama, Bernie. Hmm… I’m 2 for 9. That was a bad streak I had from 1980-2008.

No wonder it has always made me chuckle over the yrs when I’ve heard people call the Democratic Party “far left liberal”.

 

[Darryl1958]

Well? I myself am in a strange place as a Republican who hates Trump.

It is really a matter of personal conscience as to whether a Republican could vote for such a man or not.
Because he has used the Republican mechanism to advance, Trump will at least have some conservative restraints put on him on account of the company he has chosen to keep.

On the other hand, one has to also consider whether they consider whether the xenophobia and bigotry that Trump has appealed to is more abhorrent than an Obama third term.

 

[pnewton]

The answer is obvious, the lesser of two evis: Trump. But actually he isn’t evil. What does deporting illegal aliens have to do with abortion?

What does Trump have to do with abortion? It is not one of his priority positions, and prior to this year, it was not even an issue for him.

But I disagree with you that he is without evil. He lacks the divinity. His bigotry and stereotyping of Mexicans is contrary to Catholic morality. His willingness to kill family members of terrorists is contrary to Catholic morality.

 

[chero23]

Not all work their backsides off. Ask any welfare worker who has significant contact with the immigrant community, and they’ll tell you. Problem is, there is not system in place to separate the two.

And people will definitely see their families again, if they all go home. What about the families they left in the home country? But the reality is that illegals go back home a lot. Some return and some don’t.

I live in the DFW area. I can tell you with a straight face, that the majority of the construction workers and lawn care guys are Hispanics. Give or take above 90%.

Very few whites, almost no blacks, Asians.

Not everyone goes home, some of their family dies and their not able to see them. You need to do some more investigation on that.

 

[chero23]

Ah, the built-in conspiracy theory. If she not indicted, it’s not because she didn’t commit a crime but because of political favors. Well played.

And if she does get indicted, it is bc she deserved it. LOL

I’m with you, well played.

 

[chero23]

If Hillary Clinton doesn’t get indicted it might or might not mean she is guilty or not guilty. That’s the problem with this Justice Department. It acts politically in other ways, so why should anyone trust them with this one?

But I think there is a fairly widespread belief that if the FBI recommends indictment but the Justice Dept doesn’t to it, there might well be a lot of leakage from the former.

And too, there appear to be two investigations going on; the email thing and the Clinton foundation corruption. The second, it appears, will not be finished before the election.

I agree with Crossbones here Ridgerunner. The right will make it a political favor. Similar to what Trump is going through with his known failed scheme Trump University, how he called the judge a hater, a liberal, and a known Mexican.

If he gets indicted, it will be a liberal witch hunt. If he gets freed, Justice was served. Can’t have it both ways.

 

[Sy_Noe]

And Jews were considered by many to be subhuman, blacks Only three fifths human and Indians to be savages who could be slaughtered at will. We simply can not countenance the slaughter of 1 million children and write it off as “political differences”

“Were” is your key word here. There is pretty much a consensus that Jews are not subhuman and that African Americans are not merely 60% human and that Native Americans are not savages. Again though no such consensus on the abortion issue. Not today. Far from it. Even among Christians. The mainline churches are not in agreement with the CC for instance on the issue of abortion rights. Although that doesn’t mean the mainline churches teach the slaughter of 1 million children.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Only if the beast is Republican. The R after a candidate’s name makes everything negotiable.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

“Were” is your key word here. There is pretty much a consensus that Jews are not subhuman and that African Americans are not merely 60% human and that Native Americans are not savages. Again though no such consensus on the abortion issue. Not today. Far from it. Even among Christians. The mainline churches are not in agreement with the CC for instance on the issue of abortion rights. Although that doesn’t mean the mainline churches teach the slaughter of 1 million children.

Let’s pray some day that those who favor an allowance of unborn children to be considered less than human will be spoken of in the past tense some day. Fortunately, the Catholic Church is ahead of the curve on the abortion issue.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Let’s pray some day that those who favor an allowance of unborn children to be considered less than human will be spoken of in the past tense some day. Fortunately, the Catholic Church is ahead of the curve on the abortion issue.

Who knows? If it is God’s will, it could happen someday.

 

[DeusExMachina]

I will be voting for Gary Johnson, because he is the only candidate left who is not a corporate puppet or rabidly pro-choice. Not only does he want to ban late-term abortions, but he is also wants to defund Planned Parenthood, block Democrats from requiring healthcare providers to provide contraception, and defunding federal stem cell research.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

Who knows? If it is God’s will, it could happen someday.

Let’s hope. Until then, a great injustice is being done to many people waiting to be born, only to be denied that right.

 

[estesbob]

“Were” is your key word here. There is pretty much a consensus that Jews are not subhuman and that African Americans are not merely 60% human and that Native Americans are not savages. Again though no such consensus on the abortion issue. Not today. Far from it. Even among Christians. The mainline churches are not in agreement with the CC for instance on the issue of abortion rights. Although that doesn’t mean the mainline churches teach the slaughter of 1 million children.

And today people dispassionately support the slaughter of 1 million children a year because after all they weren’t “persons”

Since this is in no way shape or form a religious issue it is totally irrelevant whether some Christian denominations support this abomination.

 

[estesbob]

Let’s pray some day that those who favor an allowance of unborn children to be considered less than human will be spoken of in the past tense some day. Fortunately, the Catholic Church is ahead of the curve on the abortion issue.

A generation from now people will look upon this era as we look upon slavery-and democrats will be desperately trying to explain why they were once again on the wrong side of history

 

[Sy_Noe]

And today people dispassionately support the slaughter of 1 million children a year because after all they weren’t “persons”

Since this is in no way shape or form a religious issue it is totally irrelevant whether some Christian denominations support this abomination.

There are many diverse religious and theological perspectives on things such as the development of human life, and ensoulment, and when personhood begins.

 

[estesbob]

There are many diverse religious and theological perspectives on things such as the development of human life, and ensoulment, and when personhood begins.

So? If not human life what is it in the Mothers womb?

 

[CHRISTINE77]

What does Trump have to do with abortion? It is not one of his priority positions, and prior to this year, it was not even an issue for him.

But I disagree with you that he is without evil. He lacks the divinity. His bigotry and stereotyping of Mexicans is contrary to Catholic morality. His willingness to kill family members of terrorists is contrary to Catholic morality.

What do you think about Hilary?

 

[estesbob]

What do you think about Hilary?

Supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand, homosexual marriage, forcing nuns to buy contraception and while SOS supported killing the family members of terrorists via drone strikes. As far as racist she supports the killing of 400,000 black children a year and 100,000 Hispanic children a year Kinda as racist as one can get.

 

[BernadetteM]

I will be voting for Gary Johnson, because he is the only candidate left who is not a corporate puppet or rabidly pro-choice. Not only does he want to ban late-term abortions, but he is also wants to defund Planned Parenthood, block Democrats from requiring healthcare providers to provide contraception, and defunding federal stem cell research.

He is very pro choice, more so than others. Some only accept it if the person was raped, or the mother’s life is in danger, he said it is up to the woman until the baby is viable, which to me means can live outside of the mother.

He also owns a marijuana business and believes all states should allow people to use it.

One might as well vote for Hillary.

God Bless

Bernadette