I’m sorry but these types of arguments are no different to me than saying blacks used to be considered 60% human and Jews were considered subhuman. They make no sense to me in regard to the abortion issue today no matter how you phrase it. There is pretty much a consensus today that blacks, Jews, and the disabled are human. Thank God.
Well, all I can do is give you my perspective. I am ‘leaning towards’ Trump and ‘leaning away’ from a 3rd party candidate. Clinton is not an option.
I’ve never taken a political science class, but I’m surprised to learn that the essence of political science is the uselessness of voting.
Huh, funny the only thing I learned from biology is that we all die., It was at that point I decided medicine was a waste of time…
There is No dispute whatsoever among any scientist or biologist that separate distinct human life is present in the womb from the moment of conception. That is not just a Catholic churches answer-that is basic biology. But again,as we have throughout history the first step in justifying mass slaughter is to dehumanize those you wish to kill . As I noted with blacks, Jews and Native Americans it worked quite well but pales in comparison to the carnage we have seen in the last 30 years alone . 50 million dead children . Try to wrap your head around that . 50 million dead children. More children will die in the nations abortuaries In the next month than will be killed than died in the Vietnam War . In fact more children have been killed under the guise of the law in this country than in all the wars we have been in combined including the deaths of our allies in these wars . And yet we see many Catholics (and others) casually & dispassionately dismissing this as just another political issue and just another example of religion trying to force its way into politics.
Excellent reasoning.Well, all I can do is give you my perspective. I am ‘leaning towards’ Trump and ‘leaning away’ from a 3rd party candidate. Clinton is not an option.
Clinton says all the wrong things on all the issues I care about. I can not vote for her in good conscience.
Trump’s most solid position is on what he plans to do about the border. It’s an issue I care about and I do favor his position of building a wall. It’s not my top issue, but I lean towards a built wall and lean against open borders. In a nutshell, it’s not a make or break issue for me. However, it appears to be a very important issue for many Trump supporters.
Trump says some things I agree with, but mostly he says things that I disagree with especially when it comes to social and fiscal issues. He is running as a social and fiscal liberal which is what he has always been. He does favor tax reductions, but he seems to moderate his position on that and other issues which makes me question his sincerity on the issues. The issue he seems to moderate his position on most is abortion. Saying things like Planned Parenthood does great things for women truly make me pause.
Yet Clinton says she wants to expand abortion rights. Trump has said he would nominate judges with conservative credentials during the primary season and backed that up with an expanded list from his initial offering after he won the delegate count for nomination.
Trump’s past support for Clinton again makes me pause. Yet he is bringing up the scandals that have dogged the Clintons in the past which they’d like to think they got away with and figured it would be lost to history. However Trump has a knack for probably being the only candidate that could bring such topics up.
Which brings up one area where I think Trump would be good in particular: busting apart the political correctness stranglehold that has been built by the media. Trump is exposing the unfair one-sided reporting in this country. A Trump victory would go a long way towards breaking that apart. A Trump defeat could be devastating to the cause of free speech in this county IMO.
Do I trust Trump? Not really. His conversion is too new for me to really take him seriously. However, I know exactly what I would be getting with a Hillary Clinton presidency. I would get leftist justices appointed to the Supreme Court. I am a strong proponent of the individual right to bear arms. The most recent ruling on the 2nd Ammendment passed by a mere 5-4 majority. With Scalia’s death, gun rights are in the balance. A Clinton appointee would tip the balance to favor gun control which would likely curb those rights.
Most of all, I care deeply about the tragedy that has been wrought by Roe v. Wade and the unjust loss of life that has resulted to the tune of millions of children in the name of choice. I have my doubts about the appointees that Trump will consider for the federal courts mostly because I don’t think it will be something he cares much about. However, I do know that Clinton does care about who goes on the federal courts and with her leftist ideology would be devastating to not only the Supreme Court, but to all of our federal courts. The past eight years, the federal courts have been filled with Obama appointees. Now imagine another eight years with Clinton appointees. It’s an ultra liberal’s dream. I do not want that to happen. And although Trump himself is a liberal, he isn’t an ideologue like Clinton.
Lastly, as scary as Trump foreign policy might be, I am more afraid of Clinton foreign policy particularly how the whole Benghazi affair went down. I do not trust Clinton at all in this area.
To me, the only time to vote 3rd party is if both candidates are equally bad. A 3rd party vote is like giving each of the two major candidates one half vote - thus equal weight since a 3rd party candidate will not be winning the election this November. I’ve come to the conclusion (at least this far into the election cycle) that Clinton would be more damaging to this country than Trump.
So, that’s it in a nutshell. Thanks for reading.
You do know, I hope, that prior to the 1960’s the same was true of the unborn. No one questioned the humanity of the expected child. No one. Prior to the civil war, the humanity of blacks was often denied. So does that make slavery “right”, or the prevalent thinking of liberals “right”. If the consensus today justifies abortion, then you have also justified slavery in the South based on consensus then.
Post people know less as they learn more. It is the essence of the word “sophomoric.” Don’t get me wrong. I am all for higher education, though I always have thought of it as sideways education, not higher. There is only so much one can learn from people who do not work in the real world.
is: having become already
It already is human life. It wont develop into something else in the future. The only difference between the unborn child and you is our culture has decided(as happens all to often in history) that not all human life deserves protection.
Life. But when that life is a human being or a human person with personhood legal rights which circumvent the rights of a woman, is something with less consensus. Of course though there is consensus within the Catholic Church community of the faithful that the embryo is a human person. By all means. No one is disputing that. Indeed it is what the CC teaches.
Hmmm, the last refuge is doubt where the equal rights democrats who advocate for love for all would like to build a case? They are bearers of double standards, they hold the trophy but the devils favorite sin is vanity, so much for liberty. Fundamental human rights, reproductive rights, religious freedom cases are among those most closely watched today by the United States Supreme Court. We have not only rationalized our own moral values in the name of selfishness but doubled down on it with socialized meds and the Little Sisters? Come on, serious?
Subjective use of the term “human” "and “person” have been used throughout history to support evil.
I understand you’re argument. I’ve also seen it argued by others that it is human in the sense that an acorn is oak but the acorn is not yet a tree. All I’ve merely said is there is no consensus on this issue but instead different views among people, including among people of faith, out in the greater realm of society. But it was Ridgerunner, I believe, who said, everyone already knows that.
OK, so to sum up you are voting Trump because although you are not sure where he really is politically, you prefer that unknown to the known issues with Hillary. Is that a fair summary?Well, all I can do is give you my perspective. I am ‘leaning towards’ Trump and ‘leaning away’ from a 3rd party candidate. Clinton is not an option.
Clinton says all the wrong things on all the issues I care about. I can not vote for her in good conscience.
Trump’s most solid position is on what he plans to do about the border. It’s an issue I care about and I do favor his position of building a wall. It’s not my top issue, but I lean towards a built wall and lean against open borders. In a nutshell, it’s not a make or break issue for me. However, it appears to be a very important issue for many Trump supporters.
Trump says some things I agree with, but mostly he says things that I disagree with especially when it comes to social and fiscal issues. He is running as a social and fiscal liberal which is what he has always been. He does favor tax reductions, but he seems to moderate his position on that and other issues which makes me question his sincerity on the issues. The issue he seems to moderate his position on most is abortion. Saying things like Planned Parenthood does great things for women truly make me pause.
Yet Clinton says she wants to expand abortion rights. Trump has said he would nominate judges with conservative credentials during the primary season and backed that up with an expanded list from his initial offering after he won the delegate count for nomination.
Trump’s past support for Clinton again makes me pause. Yet he is bringing up the scandals that have dogged the Clintons in the past which they’d like to think they got away with and figured it would be lost to history. However Trump has a knack for probably being the only candidate that could bring such topics up.
Which brings up one area where I think Trump would be good in particular: busting apart the political correctness stranglehold that has been built by the media. Trump is exposing the unfair one-sided reporting in this country. A Trump victory would go a long way towards breaking that apart. A Trump defeat could be devastating to the cause of free speech in this county IMO.
Do I trust Trump? Not really. His conversion is too new for me to really take him seriously. However, I know exactly what I would be getting with a Hillary Clinton presidency. I would get leftist justices appointed to the Supreme Court. I am a strong proponent of the individual right to bear arms. The most recent ruling on the 2nd Ammendment passed by a mere 5-4 majority. With Scalia’s death, gun rights are in the balance. A Clinton appointee would tip the balance to favor gun control which would likely curb those rights.
Most of all, I care deeply about the tragedy that has been wrought by Roe v. Wade and the unjust loss of life that has resulted to the tune of millions of children in the name of choice. I have my doubts about the appointees that Trump will consider for the federal courts mostly because I don’t think it will be something he cares much about. However, I do know that Clinton does care about who goes on the federal courts and with her leftist ideology would be devastating to not only the Supreme Court, but to all of our federal courts. The past eight years, the federal courts have been filled with Obama appointees. Now imagine another eight years with Clinton appointees. It’s an ultra liberal’s dream. I do not want that to happen. And although Trump himself is a liberal, he isn’t an ideologue like Clinton.
Lastly, as scary as Trump foreign policy might be, I am more afraid of Clinton foreign policy particularly how the whole Benghazi affair went down. I do not trust Clinton at all in this area.
To me, the only time to vote 3rd party is if both candidates are equally bad. A 3rd party vote is like giving each of the two major candidates one half vote - thus equal weight since a 3rd party candidate will not be winning the election this November. I’ve come to the conclusion (at least this far into the election cycle) that Clinton would be more damaging to this country than Trump.
So, that’s it in a nutshell. Thanks for reading.
