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BernadetteM said:
He is very pro choice, more so than others. Some only accept it if the person was raped, or the mother’s life is in danger, he said it is up to the woman until the baby is viable, which to me means can live outside of the mother.

He also owns a marijuana business and believes all states should allow people to use it.

One might as well vote for Hillary.

God Bless

Bernadette
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A) “the Donald”'s is not exactly perfect when it comes to abortion either, he fully supports planned parenthood.
B) what is wrong with letting people use marijuana? It’s utterly harmless. Or would you rather be the morality police.
C) I dont see how you could say that; unlike Johnson, Hillary supports tax-funding of planned parenthood and stem-cell research, abortion at ANY stage of pregnancy, and forcing healthcare providers to distribute birth control. On the contrary, Johnson is quite moderat in comparison
 
TMC said:
OK, so to sum up you are voting Trump because although you are not sure where he really is politically, you prefer that unknown to the known issues with Hillary. Is that a fair summary?
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I am leaning towards Trump at this juncture due to the uncertainty based on his previous positions and knowing for certain where Clinton stands. I am trending towards Trump and will continue to do so as long as he continues to document more of what he plans to do when in office (such as his starter list of potential SC nominees). Thus far, his plans have been devoid of much detail (for example, Trump has said he will replace Obamacare with something better - what is that ‘better’?).

I’m not 100% there yet with Trump (I’m at about 75/25 in my Trump/Castle ratio…Castle is the Constitution Party candidate). For all I know, his ‘something better’ for health care (for example) could be worse. I’m continuing to watch him closely over the next several months to see if I can get on board with him officially.
 
Sy_Noe said:
I understand you’re argument. I’ve also seen it argued by others that it is human in the sense that an acorn is oak but the acorn is not yet a tree. All I’ve merely said is there is no consensus on this issue but instead different views among people, including among people of faith, out in the greater realm of society. But it was Ridgerunner, I believe, who said, everyone already knows that.
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I did say every Catholic knows there are other religions. But I did not agree that views contrary to those of the Church are valid or that Catholics should accept them.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I did say every Catholic knows there are other religions. But I did not agree that views contrary to those of the Church are valid or that Catholics should accept them.
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And I didn’t say you did. 🤷 Anyways, I think I’m going to for the rest of the day take heed and to heart what Pope Francis asked of even the faithful, to not discuss abortion all the time.
 
Sy_Noe said:
And I didn’t say you did. 🤷 Anyways, I think I’m going to for the rest of the day take heed and to heart what Pope Francis asked of even the faithful, to not discuss abortion all the time.
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I’ll take heed and to heart this more recent proclamation of the Pope:

“In all its phases and at every age, human life is always sacred and always of quality. And not as a matter of faith, but of reason and science!” ~ Pope Francis
 
Sy_Noe said:
And I didn’t say you did. 🤷 Anyways, I think I’m going to for the rest of the day take heed and to heart what Pope Francis asked of even the faithful, to not discuss abortion all the time.
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The Pope didn’t say we should ignore the constant stream of posters who come into a catholic forum and misstate or tell people to ignore Church teaching on abortion.
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
I’ll take heed and to heart this more recent proclamation of the Pope:

“In all its phases and at every age, human life is always sacred and always of quality. And not as a matter of faith, but of reason and science!” ~ Pope Francis
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It was brought up earlier about caf “conservatism”. Though many members here consider themselves conservative and probably a majority are, there is the truism that the longer and more broad topic a thread gets, the posts and contributors to the thread move left. Again, not that caf is “left” it most certainly skews conservative, but I’ve seen far more conservative boards and forums. For a religious forum it is it that far right. It’s not left, I mean it’s no “busted halo” If a regular religious forum on the Internet is Michael savage, then caf, is Sean Hannity.

That being said, I have no idea how anyone could justify a pro choice pick and call them selves Catholic. But most Catholics do…🤷
 
Sy_Noe said:
And I didn’t say you did. 🤷 Anyways, I think I’m going to for the rest of the day take heed and to heart what Pope Francis asked of even the faithful, to not discuss abortion all the time.
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Though it was overrun by Zika/contraception popularity you should check out what the pope said about abortion recently…
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
That being said, I have no idea how anyone could justify a pro choice pick and call them selves Catholic. But most Catholics do…🤷
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Father Drinan had a 100% pro-abortion voting record in Congress, but said he was pro-life.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
…I have no idea how anyone could justify a pro choice pick and call them selves Catholic. But most Catholics do…🤷
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Who from the below list could a Catholic vote for over the past 40 years of presidential elections?

2016

R - Trump (pro-abortion due to allowance of exceptions; in the past favored partial-birth abortion)
D - Clinton (pro-abortion + wants to expand abortion rights)

2012

R - Romney (pro-abortion until a few years before running for nomination then became pro-life)
D - Obama (pro-abortion + did not oppose post-birth botched abortion protections)

2008

R - McCain (pro-abortion due to allowance of exceptions)
D - Obama (pro-abortion + did not oppose post-birth botched abortion protections)

2004

R - GW Bush (pro-abortion in his past from the 1970’s, then converted to pro-life)
D - Kerry (pro-abortion)

2000

R - GW Bush (pro-abortion in his past from the 1970’s, then converted to pro-life)
D - Gore (pro-abortion)

1996

R - Dole (pro-abortion due to allowance of exceptions)
D - Clinton (pro-abortion up to and including partial birth abortion)

1992

R - G Bush (pro-abortion due to allowance of exceptions)
D - Clinton (pro-abortion up to and including partial birth abortion)

1988

R - G Bush (pro-abortion due to allowance of exceptions)
D - Dukakis (pro-abortion)

1984

R - Reagan (pro-abortion in his past from the 1960’s, then converted to pro-life)
D - Mondale (pro-abortion)

1980

R - Reagan (pro-abortion in his past from the 1960’s, then converted to pro-life)
D - Carter (pro-abortion)

1976

R - Ford (pro-abortion/pro-life? - favored Constitutional Amendment to let states decide)
D - Carter (pro-abortion)
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
Who from the below list could a Catholic vote for over the past 40 years of presidential elections?

2016

R - Trump (pro-abortion due to allowance of exceptions; in the past favored partial-birth abortion)
D - Clinton (pro-abortion + wants to expand abortion rights)

2012

R - Romney (pro-abortion until a few years before running for nomination then became pro-life)
D - Obama (pro-abortion + did not oppose post-birth botched abortion protections)

2008

R - McCain (pro-abortion due to allowance of exceptions)
D - Obama (pro-abortion + did not oppose post-birth botched abortion protections)

2004

R - GW Bush (pro-abortion in his past from the 1970’s, then converted to pro-life)
D - Kerry (pro-abortion)

2000

R - GW Bush (pro-abortion in his past from the 1970’s, then converted to pro-life)
D - Gore (pro-abortion)

1996

R - Dole (pro-abortion due to allowance of exceptions)
D - Clinton (pro-abortion up to and including partial birth abortion)

1992

R - G Bush (pro-abortion due to allowance of exceptions)
D - Clinton (pro-abortion up to and including partial birth abortion)

1988

R - G Bush (pro-abortion due to allowance of exceptions)
D - Dukakis (pro-abortion)

1984

R - Reagan (pro-abortion in his past from the 1960’s, then converted to pro-life)
D - Mondale (pro-abortion)

1980

R - Reagan (pro-abortion in his past from the 1960’s, then converted to pro-life)
D - Carter (pro-abortion)

1976

R - Ford (pro-abortion/pro-life? - favored Constitutional Amendment to let states decide)
D - Carter (pro-abortion)
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All of the Republicans since the Church teaches that when both candidates support abortion you can vote for the one who supports more restrictions than the other
 
Sy_Noe said:
A beautiful response, Little Sheep. It touched my heart and itself was a blessing for me to read. Continued blessings to you and to those with whom you journey!
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Thank you, Sy. I really appreciate your kind words. Peace to you, my friend.
 
Sy_Noe said:
I agree with everything you said here, LS. And it’s very similar for me too. I was an Obama primary voter in 08 and I know you were with Hillary since I recall you saying awhile back on another thread that you had pulled out all your Hillary gear. 👍 Hillary did well against Obama in the latter stages in 08 but it was not enough. And Obama went on to win not only the general election that yr but then another. It’s the same this yr with Bernie and Hillary. As you said she has defeated Bernie in much the same way as Obama defeated her back then. The role has merely been reversed for Hillary. And for the 2 of us. 🙂 This time your gal has prevailed and I will be standing there right with you in the fall. To me on the issues alone, Bernie is much more aligned with Hillary and the Democratic Party than he is with Trump and the Republican. That’s the reason he as caucused with the Democrats in the Senate. So I find it not surprising at all that he has said he will do all he can to assure Trump and the Republicans do not gain control of the WH.
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Haha - yes, I have shoe-horned myself into some of my Hillary 2008-wear recently. Sadly, I’m a little chubbier in 2016! 😃

Obama snuck up on me in 2008, honestly. I remember asking DH, who IS this person who is beating HRC…how in the world has this happened?!! Then I started to pay more attention!

Like you, I did not find it difficult to support Obama and I remain very grateful for his leadership these past 7 years. He’s an extraordinary man and a President of whom we can all be proud.

I did not know if Hillary would run again, so - as you can imagine - it has been a bit of a thrill to me that she is! I have a great deal of respect for Sanders and I know that our Party will come together soon. I do not fret it much. The media HAS to make a big hairy story about our primary, of course, because that tension keeps them alive. But in reality, I know that our Party is more united the fractured.
 
Sy_Noe said:
LOL, LS. This got me thinking. I usually prefer someone more to the left in Democratic primaries. Sometimes I’ve voted for candidates in primaries even after they’ve withdrawn. No wonder my Democratic primary candidates lose more often than not. I went back searching the yrs and here is my list in contested primaries if I recall correctly:

Carter, Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, Paul Simon, Tom Harkin, Bill Bradley, Dennis Kucinich, Obama, Bernie. Hmm… I’m 2 for 9. That was a bad streak I had from 1980-2008. 😃

No wonder it has always made me chuckle over the yrs when I’ve heard people call the Democratic Party “far left liberal”. 🙂
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Thanks for sharing that! In many ways, your voting record reminds me of my younger sister - ten years my junior. I actually think the entire country is in the process of shifting left right now. It’s all fascinating to watch!
 
Ridgerunner said:
Nobody questions that different people and religions have different views. Were that not the case, one wouldn’t be calling them “different”. This is a Catholic site, but I think Catholics are aware there are other religions, yes.

From the Catholic perspective, Church teaching is not diverse when it comes to elective abortion, and it isn’t based on “ensoulment” either. it’s considered a grave evil, period. No question about it.
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RR, I am interested in your opinion as to why - in the face of the Church’s teaching on this singular issue - most Catholics tend to vote for Democrats in national elections.
 
TMC said:
BTW, most or all of the Trump supporters I know IRL use some form of the “he’s lying” argument. In other words, they make little or no attempt to defend his more extreme positions. They simply and unabashedly say that he is lying about his positions. “He won’t really deport 11M people,” “he won’t build an actual wall, that’s a metaphor,” “he doesn’t mean what he says about torture,” etc. His campaign manager has even admitted that Trump will “evolve”, “moderate” and “soften” his positions for the general election.

For Trump supporters - if you don’t think he means most of what he says, why support him? How do you know what he stands for, if you don’t think he is giving his real positions now?
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I hear this repeatedly as well from IRL Trump supporters in my tiny slice of the Garden. I truly do not know WHAT to make of such an argument. It blows my logic-sensors off the map.
 
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