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Expatreprocedit said:
There was his statement in the first GOP debate that Mexico “was not sending their best” but rather “rapists” and “criminals” and “people with problems” to the US. While anyone would agree that there are some Mexican immigrants that fit that description, Trump made, in my view, an overgeneralization about Mexicans. I guess if you want to call that an unjustified negative stereotype about Mexican immigrants rather than racism, speaking for myself I won’t argue.
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If one wants to think of it that way, one can. He immediately followed the “rapists” and “criminals” sentence with one acknowledging that some are “good people”, but that gets lost in the thing. Taken as a whole, it’s plain he wasn’t characterizing all Mexicans as rapists or criminals, but some prefer to think of it that way.

It actually seemed to me he was complaining mostly about the Mexican government’s encouragement of emigration to the U.S., which it certainly does do. He seemed to be headed toward an allegation that Mexico “dumps” its criminals on us, but it never got that far. Whether Mexico does that or not, I don’t know.
 
Ridgerunner said:
If one wants to think of it that way, one can. He immediately followed the “rapists” and “criminals” sentence with one acknowledging that some are “good people”, but that gets lost in the thing. Taken as a whole, it’s plain he wasn’t characterizing all Mexicans as rapists or criminals, but some prefer to think of it that way.

It actually seemed to me he was complaining mostly about the Mexican government’s encouragement of emigration to the U.S., which it certainly does do. He seemed to be headed toward an allegation that Mexico “dumps” its criminals on us, but it never got that far. Whether Mexico does that or not, I don’t know.
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My view is that he made an unfair generalization about Mexican immigrants. I agree it doesn’t need to be seen as a racist statement against Mexicans in general. I, and most people I talk to, think he was trying to “push buttons” with statements like those. I think it worked in the GOP primaries. Now he needs to rein himself in, and try not alienate all Mexicans.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Ah “probability to stop abortion” and without elaboration, but thats not what you cut and pasted or in fact what was stated, so you were wrong?

Like I said with your cut and paste and own thinking injected in what you think I said, you have a strawman and were wrong quite simply. Now do you need the last word, in my mind reading I have a feeling thats a “probability” also.

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I apologize, I should have been more careful to represent your quote exactly. Please forgive me.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
No, Donald Trump cannot “probably stop abortion” by his supreme court nominations, for all the reasons I gave.
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And as I said your opinion is just that. But the justices will make a difference and yes in probably stopping abortion. The next president will appoint at least one and possibly a few judges to the supreme court. And they for sure will set in motion the future for abortion in the United States as would liberal choices. These same appointees will reflect an impact with religious freedom and also 2nd amendment rights. Nevertheless, there is no more outrageous violence than that against the most helpless members and innocent of the community with abortion.

Contrary to your wild opinions and language pro-life has become more popular and as a result abortion numbers are also down. The real work is in fetal protection. Pro-life advocates assert that, morally speaking, life begins at conception. Legally speaking, however, the question of fetal person hood is debated but still is growing in science and understanding and in time, it’s going to be impossible to deny that abortion is violence of the unborn. The systematic restrictions of violence by protection of the fetus with due respect will continue. The Zimmerman case in Wisconsin law recognizes the importance of protecting the unborn child, unborn victims of violence acts are growing as is awareness. In fact future generations may look back and be truly disturbed by the raging ignorance and consider this bloody record breaking violence to be a form of genocide and consider this mere 50 year period monsterous. So in short its mitigating violent death. So yes the justices for sure matter and for sure will have an impact is stopping abortion as federal funding and various areas legally change.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
There was his statement in the first GOP debate that Mexico “was not sending their best” but rather “rapists” and “criminals” and “people with problems” to the US. While anyone would agree that there are some Mexican immigrants that fit that description, Trump made, in my view, an overgeneralization about Mexicans. I guess if you want to call that an unjustified negative stereotype about Mexican immigrants rather than racism, speaking for myself I won’t argue. Either way, it doesn’t reflect well on Trump in my view. Most conservatives would agree you can express concern about illegal immigration from Mexico without that negative stereotype.
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He wasn’t talking about all Mexicans, he wasn’t even talking about all illegal immigrants. When you read the whole statement in context, he was saying that the Mexican government is sending bad people including rapists across the borders. He was saying that the Mexican government uses our insecure border as a tool to offload its criminals. It may be factually wrong, but there’s absolutely nothing racist about it.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
My view is that he made an unfair generalization about Mexican immigrants. I agree it doesn’t need to be seen as a racist statement against Mexicans in general. I, and most people I talk to, think he was trying to “push buttons” with statements like those. I think it worked in the GOP primaries. Now he needs to rein himself in, and try not alienate all Mexicans.
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There is a old saying that it is too late to close the barn door after the horse is out.

That boat has already sailed. Nobody who isn’t white, as defined by Identity politics will vote Republican for generations now. Nominating Trump sends a clear statement that the Republican party that nominated Trump is indifferent to anyone who is not white.
 
Darryl1958 said:
There is a old saying that it is too late to close the barn door after the horse is out.

That boat has already sailed. Nobody who isn’t white, as defined by Identity politics will vote Republican for generations now. Nominating Trump sends a clear statement that the Republican party that nominated Trump is indifferent to anyone who is not white.
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That has been the trend the last 2-3 elections for republicans. They have won the white male vote by a large margin but lose handily with minorities.
 
Been that way since Obama decided to play racism and identity politics. The fact Trump chose to be as ignorant as Obama is just a fact of life today. His double standards don’t negate the issues already surfaced due to Obama. Can Trump be unifying, we don’t know but we know Obama and Hillary can’t be and are further a no go with Catholicism. Their policies are simply not compatible.

Not any of this changes the fact Obama and Hillary are terrible choices for the country and Trump is an unknown.

Course you can listen to the twisted logic of the liberals in fact read it here. Its just as bad in regards to Catholicism as it is with unity, morality and politics. The fact is they think its alright to compromise Church teaching to promote identity liberal socialism divisive politics.

Its dead this year imho.
 
Darryl1958 said:
There is a old saying that it is too late to close the barn door after the horse is out.

That boat has already sailed. Nobody who isn’t white, as defined by Identity politics will vote Republican for generations now. Nominating Trump sends a clear statement that the Republican party that nominated Trump is indifferent to anyone who is not white.
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When dealing the race card from the bottom of the deck, the dealer should not be obvious.
 
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Russians are not united as to what outcome of the U.S. presidential elections would serve Russian interests best, the Public Opinion Foundation said in its report.
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Some 37 percent of respondents were undecided, and 26 percent claimed that U.S. election results were immaterial to Russia: “the U.S. attitude to Russia would not improve, no matter who the winner is” (6 percent) and “that is Americans’ business, which has nothing to do with us” (5 percent).
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Still, some Russians (28 percent) believe that a victory for Donald Trump would be more significant for Russia than a victory for Hillary Clinton (9 percent). The foundation polled 1,000 respondents over the phone on May 28-29.
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The respondents explained that Trump “is better disposed towards Russia and bilateral relations may therefore improve” (14 percent), while “Trump’s rival from the Democratic Party disliked Russia, was aggressive and not nice” (6 percent).
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People in general respond to a unifying message which Hillary can’t offer imho.
 
Padres1969 said:
Neither can Trump
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Perhaps unity needs elaboration or possibly is overrated. But the message of Obama/Hillary let alone world wide as with Putin or Libya etc, is divisive also right here. Even Russia thinks a better relationship is possible. Liking Trump and him being a better candidate for the world and america are two different concepts. I think Obama/Hillary have equal rights issues and a failing principle of it which isn’t sustainable world wide let alone here.
 
grotto said:
When dealing the race card from the bottom of the deck, the dealer should not be obvious.
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It seems obvious to the rest of the world that Trump is acting racist and your solution is that he should be less obvious about it, not that he shouldn’t be racist or that the Republicans shouldn’t choose someone who is racist.
 
your solution is that he should be less obvious about it, not that he shouldn’t be racist
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Yet yours is to deny your own parties obvious corruption and divisive message which is often racist.

Its not of being more or less obvious its a matter of honesty. The equal rights crew is in denial of their own double standard where they became the aggressor they rebel against. Sadly.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Yet yours is to deny your own parties obvious corruption and divisive message which is often racist.

Its not of being more or less obvious its a matter of honesty. The equal rights crew is in denial of their own double standard where they became the aggressor they rebel against. Sadly.
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I am confident that Catholics can tell the difference between real racism and the imaginary racism that some claims exist.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Yet yours is to deny your own parties obvious corruption and divisive message which is often racist.

Its not of being more or less obvious its a matter of honesty. The equal rights crew is in denial of their own double standard where they became the aggressor they rebel against. Sadly.
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A Party that loudly and proudly supports the killing of half million minority children a year yet has the nerve to call their opponents racist!
 
Crossbones said:
I am confident that Catholics can tell the difference between real racism and the imaginary racism that some claims exist.
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Oh I know they can, its the denial that no-one has a key to on the formed conscience path, but I’m also confident with patience that could be found too. Isn’t it great to agree. 😃
 
GaryTaylor said:
Oh I know they can, its the denial that no-one has a key to on the formed conscience path, but I’m also confident with patience that could be found too. Isn’t it great to agree. 😃
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Again, I’m having trouble following your thoughts. Better punctuation would help.
 
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