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Again, I’m having trouble following your thoughts. Better punctuation would help.
The thought is we agree. But you know if you have something specific to discuss about punctuation other than intentionally intending to be insulting, than do tell. But listen why is it you get so offended when someone calls you for example a liberal yet you see no issue with offending other people? :confused:
 
A Party that loudly and proudly supports the killing of half million minority children a year yet has the nerve to call their opponents racist!
The problem, as I am sure you know, is that very few people care about the unborn. They simply do not care. So many women have had abortions, and so many men have participated in their wives/girlfriends/lovers getting abortions, that it has become a non-issue in this country. Practicing Catholics still care, yet that is also a dwindling number of people. Most people who have been directly involved with abortion do not want to admit what they did was gravely wrong–they just don’t want to see that, so the nation will simply go further and further away from respecting life.

If people cared about the unborn, Trump would not be the nominee–his candidacy would never have risen beyond the start gate. But the voters helped Trump wash away 16 other Republican candidates, many were strong pro-life people – and he was swept into this position on the wings of anger, never a good thing.
 
The thought is we agree. But you know if you have something specific to discuss about punctuation other than intentionally intending to be insulting, than do tell. But listen why is it you get so offended when someone calls you for example a liberal yet you see no issue with offending other people? :confused:
I can’t really follow what you say sometimes because the punctuation is missing. So it’s hard to have a discussion when I don’t know what was said. Sometimes, I can infer it, but often times I cannot. I do not mean to insult you by it. When I comment on it, it is specifically because I cannot comprehend your meaning because of the punctuation.

I’m not offended by someone calling me a liberal, even though I’m not. It probably just seems like it because people here are pretty far right. The tone of the entire comment on the other thread was an attempt to insult and the adjective ‘liberal’ had nothing to do with it. You can remove liberal from the comment and it was equally an attempt at insult.
 
I can’t really follow what you say sometimes because the punctuation is missing. So it’s hard to have a discussion when I don’t know what was said. Sometimes, I can infer it, but often times I cannot. I do not mean to insult you by it. When I comment on it, it is specifically because I cannot comprehend your meaning because of the punctuation.

I’m not offended by someone calling me a liberal, even though I’m not. It probably just seems like it because people here are pretty far right. The tone of the entire comment on the other thread was an attempt to insult and the adjective ‘liberal’ had nothing to do with it. You can remove liberal from the comment and it was equally an attempt at insult.
Right and I have no idea what your talking about but some illusion of what you don’t understand. I have no idea what your saying as there are no specifics .

But we had this conversation already. So, do you want me to point out your spelling mistakes as I did last time as an example etc? I don’t get you, you think thats how we should converse? . Clearly as I told you last time you have a double standard with your own grammar. And I was polite after your rude comment that time and pointed it out. But here again we have your nonsensical conversation, and to point out what? Nothing, do you understand that? And now listen closely, you see how all this distracts from the topic? And this started by agreeing with you? Are you OK today? Late night or something?
 
There is a old saying that it is too late to close the barn door after the horse is out.

That boat has already sailed. Nobody who isn’t white, as defined by Identity politics will vote Republican for generations now. Nominating Trump sends a clear statement that the Republican party that nominated Trump is indifferent to anyone who is not white.
Ironic for the party of Lincoln
 
Right and I have no idea what your talking about but some illusion of what you don’t understand. I have no idea what your saying as there are no specifics .

But we had this conversation already. So, do you want me to point out your spelling mistakes as I did last time as an example etc? I don’t get you, you think thats how we should converse? . Clearly as I told you last time you have a double standard with your own grammar. And I was polite after your rude comment that time and pointed it out. But here again we have your nonsensical conversation, and to point out what? Nothing, do you understand that? And now listen closely, you see how all this distracts from the topic? And this started by agreeing with you? Are you OK today? Late night or something?
If I cannot understand what you mean because your punctuation is lacking, then there is no conversation. I don’t say this to offend you, but to state a fact. If I am unclear because of grammar, spelling or punctuation, I don’t have a problem with you saying so. I acknowledge that I am occasionally unclear.

I’m doing great today. Thanks for asking.
 
That has been the trend the last 2-3 elections for republicans. They have won the white male vote by a large margin but lose handily with minorities.
Democratic Identity politics have all about creating divides among Americans as a whole. This is a very unhealthy trend for any society, and against the American value of e pluribus unom. Identity politics are inherently racist and sexist, in that they strive to create permanent divisions along these cleavages.

Now, the Republicans under Trump have completed the trend by ensuring that Republicans will never have an appeal to anyone outside of the white.
 
because your punctuation
I don’t know what your talking about, as I said you lack specifics in your dialogue. 🤷 Your wasting my time and appear unable to dialogue, and still nothing in regards to the OP?
 
Ironic for the party of Lincoln
I don’t think that anyone who has been a life-long supporter of the racist Identity politics of the left would have anything to smirk about in that regard.
It is not accident that Trump has been a life-long Democrat too. Seeing race as something to exploit is the norm for anyone who has embraced leftist values.

Nobody can play the ‘Innocent Card’ here. The good will and the genuine desire of the preponderance of Americans to go beyond race and sex has been squandered by all sides, time and time again.
 
I don’t think that anyone who has been a life-long supporter of the racist Identity politics of the left would have anything to smirk about in that regard.
It is not accident that Trump has been a life-long Democrat too. Seeing race as something to exploit is the norm for anyone who has embraced leftist values.

Nobody can play the ‘Innocent Card’ here. The good will and the genuine desire of the preponderance of Americans to go beyond race and sex has been squandered by all sides, time and time again.
:rolleyes:
 
Democratic Identity politics have all about creating divides among Americans as a whole. This is a very unhealthy trend for any society, and against the American value of e pluribus unom. Identity politics are inherently racist and sexist, in that they strive to create permanent divisions along these cleavages.

Now, the Republicans under Trump have completed the trend by ensuring that Republicans will never have an appeal to anyone outside of the white.
I’m not sure what you mean about Democratic identity politics and creating divides, unless you think that the push for income equality and criticism of the 1% is somehow promoting class warfare (unless you think of 99% of the population as a “class”). The Democratic party is the clear favorite among racial minorities in the U.S. Catholics, who used to be solidly Democratic voters, have become more Republican due to the Democratic Party’s embrace of abortion and LGBT rights, but again, I don’t see that as identify politics but rather a policy choice reflecting the position of a majority of voters who are either already voting as Democrats or are uncommitted.
 
I don’t know what your talking about, as I said you lack specifics in your dialogue. 🤷 Your wasting my time and appear unable to dialogue, and still nothing in regards to the OP?
So, if you respond to my post and it doesn’t make sense to me, I’ll just let you know that it doesn’t make sense to me and you don’t have to respond. Sound good?
 
The problem, as I am sure you know, is that very few people care about the unborn. They simply do not care. So many women have had abortions, and so many men have participated in their wives/girlfriends/lovers getting abortions, that it has become a non-issue in this country. Practicing Catholics still care, yet that is also a dwindling number of people. Most people who have been directly involved with abortion do not want to admit what they did was gravely wrong–they just don’t want to see that, so the nation will simply go further and further away from respecting life.

If people cared about the unborn, Trump would not be the nominee–his candidacy would never have risen beyond the start gate. But the voters helped Trump wash away 16 other Republican candidates, many were strong pro-life people – and he was swept into this position on the wings of anger, never a good thing.
I think you are right about this. People simply do not care about a million unborn children killed annually. They have made their peace with abortion as people once made their peace with slavery. Soon, the uncaring will extend to the killing of the elderly, the ill, the disabled, and to born but unwanted infants. Civilization continues to crumble as we celebrate our “progress.” What progress?
 
Now, the Republicans under Trump have completed the trend by ensuring that Republicans will never have an appeal to anyone outside of the white.
You might be right, but I’m not yet persuaded that you are, and not for the long term. I still think if Trump does it right he can appeal to more blacks, especially working black men, than many would think. There’s really no difference between, say, a white blue collar worker and a black blue collar worker. They do the same things, they are on the same pay scales, they face the same job perils, they want decent homes for their families and expect to work hard to get them.

And too, there is more animosity between blacks and Hispanics than the media (anybody’s favorite media) feels comfortable talking about. But it’s there, it’s serious, and it’s mutual.

Long term, I think the Dem control of Hispanic vote can’t last. I don’t know every Hispanic immigrant, but I know a goodly number of them. Nearly every one of them is a “Republican under the skin”; very ambitious, thrifty, family oriented, religiously conservative, and more resentful of government barriers to their ambitions than most Anglos are. And while it’s not a peculiarly Repub trait, they are more “politically incorrect” than just about anybody in this society.
 
I think you are right about this. People simply do not care about a million unborn children killed annually. They have made their peace with abortion as people once made their peace with slavery. Soon, the uncaring will extend to the killing of the elderly, the ill, the disabled, and to born but unwanted infants. Civilization continues to crumble as we celebrate our “progress.” What progress?
I agree to a degree. But while the majority of Americans wouldn’t end all abortions if they could, the majority favors stricter controls of it.

But among the liberal elites and their followers, I would agree completely with what you are saying.
 
I agree to a degree. But while the majority of Americans wouldn’t end all abortions if they could, the majority favors stricter controls of it.

But among the liberal elites and their followers, I would agree completely with what you are saying.
I think its closer to say that most Americans don’t believe a week old embryo is a “child” and doesn’t deserve to be given rights above the born human women who doesn’t want to be pregnant or a mom. 🤷
 
I think its closer to say that most Americans don’t believe a week old embryo is a “child” and doesn’t deserve to be given rights above the born human women who doesn’t want to be pregnant or a mom. 🤷
If you are correct, if they don’t believe it’s a child, then what else do they believe it to be? A week old fertilised embryo is an unborn child in an early stage of development.
 
The FCFC was meant as a guide for those in the pews. It is meant to help each one of us to approach voting with the knowledge that the people we have to choose amongst are not angels or demons, that the issues are many and varied, and that we each must examine them in context.

Until, and unless the Bishops come out with a document that says Thou must vote straight Republican ticket, or Thou shalt not vote Democrat, each person is required to study all the issues and vote the way they think best meets all Church teachings. Presumably, prayer is involved.

While we each have our views, they are just that, views. Not one Bishop that I know of has said you will be excommunicated if you vote for Trump or Clinton or any other candidate. If the Bishops are not saying this, perhaps it is because there are valid reasons for voting for each of them and valid reasons for voting against each of them.

Rather than going over the same points over and over, perhaps we should all write to our individual Bishops and ask for clarification, especially on paragraph 34. And, once we get answers, rather than using the response as a tool if the Bishop agrees with us, or ignore it if he doesn’t, we should continue to pray for what to do and pray for the country.
Thank you for this very sensible post, SallyButler. I myself cannot imagine the leadership of the Catholic Church telling Catholics en masse what political party they must vote for. :eek:

Look up, look in the mirror, pray and vote your conscience.
 
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