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I haven’t Trump make one racist statement yet. I do not recognize the definition of “racism” as defined by the PC, hypersensitive left.
I’m a proud Democrat and you’ll never hear me describe Trump as racist. I sincerely doubt he is any more racist than most of the rest of us. He is inarticulate, angry and vulgar and so, when he race-baits (and he is a Master at that slick art), it comes across to many people as sounding racist and, from the vantage point, it’s easy to jump to “Racist!”

Race-baiting really worked for him in the primaries. It will really work against him in the GE. Oh well - win some, lose some. Back to the drawing board. 🤷
 
I don’t see how you claim Hillary as more guilty than the mothers who make the ultimate decision to kill their babies. Hillary is not twisting there arms to make them do it. The mothers (and their friends who pressure them, and the doctors who perform the operations) are the real guilty parties.
How should we punish women who have abortions?
 
That’s not true, and you know it!

While abortion will remain legal, Planned Parenthood can be de-funded and we can stop funding it in foreign countries.
Republicans have had plenty of chances to defund Planned Parenthood.

They never will, of course, because - regardless of what Republicans say during a campaign season - the majority of Republican politicians, like the majority of Democratic politicians, believe in the wisdom and justice of Roe v. Wade and of the very good work that Planned Parenthood does, particularly for our country’s poor.
 
Republicans have had plenty of chances to defund Planned Parenthood.

They never will, of course, because - regardless of what Republicans say during a campaign season - the majority of Republican politicians, like the majority of Democratic politicians, believe in the wisdom and justice of Roe v. Wade and of the very good work that Planned Parenthood does, particularly for our country’s poor.
How does this correspond with what you say? Numerous states with Republican governors have defunded Planned Parenthood and hundreds of abortion regulation laws have been passed, not all signed into law, but many different abortion regulation bills have been signed into law. Congress has defunded Planned Parenthood eight times! There was the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act that also passed in Congress. The majority of Republican politicians, according to you, believe in Roe v Wade and work Planned Parenthood does? Where is the evidence of this?

Prenatal tests, breast exams, and Pap tests have been declining in their number at Planned Parenthood and well as STI treatment and other services: liveactionnews.org/planned-parenthood-health-care-services-declined-in-2014-while-taxpayer-funding-increased/

There are around 700 something Planned Parenthood clinics and there are literally thousands of service sites that offer health care services for the poor and low income through Federally Qualified Health Centers. Why do you think the poor need Planned Parenthood when there are all these different sites, not to mention crisis pregnancy centres that can help the pregnant poor?
 
I’m not sure what you mean about Democratic identity politics and creating divides, unless you think that the push for income equality and criticism of the 1% is s…
Nope.
That not what I mean.
Dig a little deeper. Educate yourself on what people are talking about when they use those terms.
Once you educate yourself on another point of view, then we might be in a position where we can discuss it intelligently.
 
You might be right, but I’m not yet persuaded that you are, and not for the long term. I still think if Trump does it right he can appeal to more blacks, especially working black men, than many would think. There’s really no difference between, say, a white blue collar worker and a black blue collar worker. They do the same things, they are on the same pay scales, they face the same job perils, they want decent homes for their families and expect to work hard to get them.

And too, there is more animosity between blacks and Hispanics than the media (anybody’s favorite media) feels comfortable talking about. But it’s there, it’s serious, and it’s mutual.

Long term, I think the Dem control of Hispanic vote can’t last. I don’t know every Hispanic immigrant, but I know a goodly number of them. Nearly every one of them is a “Republican under the skin”; very ambitious, thrifty, family oriented, religiously conservative, and more resentful of government barriers to their ambitions than most Anglos are. And while it’s not a peculiarly Repub trait, they are more “politically incorrect” than just about anybody in this society.
Most blacks, from what I have heard, are more conservative than most whites I know. Likely most Hispanics are, and most definitely most Asians are.

In terms of social values, I imagine most people with third world heritage are more socially conservative than your average white North American. I concur that your own perception and experience with Hispanics would likely be correct, and that that goodly amount of Hispanics would be Republican (aka conservative) under their skin. My own experience would lead me to the same understanding of the world.

So why would the people who are the most socially conservative vote for the more liberal option?
I would say that this is because the leftist medium has been able to effectively sell the message of Identity politics, and “Danger on the Right!!”

The nomination of Trump does not dispel that misconception. His nomination confirms that misconception, to where it becomes very, very difficult for conservatives as a whole to argue the fact that is is a misconception.
It was always an uphill battle for conservatives to argue that the message of the left was wrong , and that what Prager calls SIXHIRB was nothing more than leftist alarmism…
The problem is that so many conservatives who could make that argument before Trump are now having a hard time believing that such an argument is authentic, precisely because Trump was nominated.
The problem is not that Trump is either a racist or a xenophobe. The problem is not that Trump is even a worse excuse of a human being that HRC I personally don’t believe he is either a racist, or a xenophobe, or of lower character than Hillary.

The problem is that he was able to sell a message of xenophobia so effectively as to win the nomination. When even so many white conservatives start to wonder if we have been aligning ourselves with xenophobes, how is it going to be possible to sell Hispanics or any number of non-whites on the idea that they are welcome members of the Republican party?
 
Divine Mercy

Eternal Father, I offer you the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your Dearly Beloved Son, Our Lord, Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world.

For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
 
Republicans have had plenty of chances to defund Planned Parenthood.

They never will, of course, because - regardless of what Republicans say during a campaign season - the majority of Republican politicians, like the majority of Democratic politicians, believe in the wisdom and justice of Roe v. Wade and of the very good work that Planned Parenthood does, particularly for our country’s poor.
I think you are right here. If pp wasn’t defended by republicans after people were actually laughing about selling baby parts it never will be. Republicans will not ever defund it because if they did the most vocal part of thier base would have nothing to vote for and get riled up about. If they solved this issue they would lose half thier base.

Where you are wrong is that the democrats are the exact same way when it comes to poverty and race.

Never let a good crisis go to waste but for heavens sake don’t fix it!

I always shake my head at the poor who vote democrat. Sure they will throw some laptops at some inner city schools, but teach poor people how to be rich… Nope.
 
I think you are right here. If pp wasn’t defended by republicans after people were actually laughing about selling baby parts it never will be. Republicans will not ever defund it because if they did the most vocal part of thier base would have nothing to vote for and get riled up about. If they solved this issue they would lose half thier base.

Where you are wrong is that the democrats are the exact same way when it comes to poverty and race.

Never let a good crisis go to waste but for heavens sake don’t fix it!

I always shake my head at the poor who vote democrat. Sure they will throw some laptops at some inner city schools, but teach poor people how to be rich… Nope.
Congress has voted to defund Planned Parenthood eight times: m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_568d5a67e4b0cad15e62fda6
 
So it has been a republican and democrat problem?
The problem is that they have an issue that is important to a lot of people. It’s in thier best interest to not solve it.

The USA could be s pro life country faster than gay marriage became the ultimate human rights issue.
 
They had eight votes. Yes. And yet they ultimately vote to fund murder of babies. Power of the purse my friend.
Apparently the power is limited when faced with a president who will veto every prolife legislation, threaten a government shutdown over it, and persuade the citizenry that the shutdown is congress’ fault. Unfortunately, the public does believe it.
 
Most blacks, from what I have heard, are more conservative than most whites I know. Likely most Hispanics are, and most definitely most Asians are.

In terms of social values, I imagine most people with third world heritage are more socially conservative than your average white North American. I concur that your own perception and experience with Hispanics would likely be correct, and that that goodly amount of Hispanics would be Republican (aka conservative) under their skin. My own experience would lead me to the same understanding of the world.

So why would the people who are the most socially conservative vote for the more liberal option?
I would say that this is because the leftist medium has been able to effectively sell the message of Identity politics, and “Danger on the Right!!”

The nomination of Trump does not dispel that misconception. His nomination confirms that misconception, to where it becomes very, very difficult for conservatives as a whole to argue the fact that is is a misconception.
It was always an uphill battle for conservatives to argue that the message of the left was wrong , and that what Prager calls SIXHIRB was nothing more than leftist alarmism…
The problem is that so many conservatives who could make that argument before Trump are now having a hard time believing that such an argument is authentic, precisely because Trump was nominated.
The problem is not that Trump is either a racist or a xenophobe. The problem is not that Trump is even a worse excuse of a human being that HRC I personally don’t believe he is either a racist, or a xenophobe, or of lower character than Hillary.

The problem is that he was able to sell a message of xenophobia so effectively as to win the nomination. When even so many white conservatives start to wonder if we have been aligning ourselves with xenophobes, how is it going to be possible to sell Hispanics or any number of non-whites on the idea that they are welcome members of the Republican party?
Or regarding the portion of your post I underlined, maybe more likely is these citizens whom you deem “more conservative than most whites you know”, simply weigh the many issues, consider the character of candidates and what they think a candidate will actually be able to do, and then they make a choice.

IOW going about their voting decision in a similar manner that US Catholic Bishop Gerald Kicanas has said that even US Catholics should.

priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/kicanas-synod.htm

And maybe these voters whom you speak of as being “more conservative than most whites you know”, after going through their decision-making process, choose not to vote solely on social issues, if they are indeed as conservative as you deem them to be.
 
Sorry to interrupt, but so not to start another thread, is it possible to vote for a party, but not for president? This will be my first vote in the US.
 
Sorry to interrupt, but so not to start another thread, is it possible to vote for a party, but not for president? This will be my first vote in the US.
Yes and no. We vote on individuals, but there is an option for a straight party vote. All that vote does is click every Republican individual running.
 
Republicans have had plenty of chances to defund Planned Parenthood.

They never will, of course, because - regardless of what Republicans say during a campaign season - the majority of Republican politicians, like the majority of Democratic politicians, believe in the wisdom and justice of Roe v. Wade and of the very good work that Planned Parenthood does, particularly for our country’s poor.
There is no wisdom and justice in Roe v. Wade. None.

As far as Planned Parenthood, it reminds me of the question asked of Mrs. Lincoln after the play.

DGB
 
Yes and no. We vote on individuals, but there is an option for a straight party vote. All that vote does is click every Republican individual running.
Except I thought the poster didn’t want to vote for President. In that case if they were voting a straight Republican ticket, they would not click for Donald Trump.
 
There is no wisdom and justice in Roe v. Wade. None.

As far as Planned Parenthood, it reminds me of the question asked of Mrs. Lincoln after the play.

DGB
PP exists to facilitate free sex and profit from abortion. Killing unborn children is their most profitable business. Roe v Wade was constitutional law created freestyle from nothing in the constitution, an act of pure judicial will.
 
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