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E_7
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Yes. I wish to vote for all individuals of the Republic party, but I don’t want to vote for any president candidate. Is that possible?
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KevinAK
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Except it will be Trump first and I don’t care about America.
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Little_Sheep
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JimG - you must at least consider that our country will never go backwards from the Roe v. Wade decision.
If that opinion I just stated is true, what is the best way to make abortion as rare as can be?
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Ridgerunner
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I’m not sure the premise is true. The U.S. is the most liberal country on abortion in the developed world. Most people in the U.S. would impose at least some restrictions on it if they could. Some states have at least gotten by with limiting it. Remember "Carhart vs. Gonzales in which state bans on partial birth abortion were upheld? Every Republican appointee voted to uphold the bans. Every Democrat appointee wanted partial birth abortion to be protected, without limitations.
So the moral of the story is that abortion can at least be curtailed unless another Democrat is elected president. If a Democrat is elected, then you will be right.
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JimG
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As Ridgerunner noted, the U.S. has the most liberal abortion laws of all. One could at least limit abortion and prohibit late abortion, but ever since R v W, Democrats have opposed any and all restrictions on it. Now there is talk in academia of extending the limit past birth, allowing the termination of newborns and infants who are deemed unwanted or defective.
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taldridge
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I don’t think Trump is crazy at all. I think is just full of himself and believes that he can not do any wrong. Lately he is almost always having a rally in front of his plane. To show every one what? Wealth and ego. Hillary may not be as trustworthy or as ethical as many would want, but at least she is much more consistent in her positions than the Donald and has much more experience. Some base their decision on who to vote for as to who will be appointed to the Supreme Court. I think the Republicans had their best shot at this already but bucked the Constitution and decided to wait until the election.
“Still undecided”
“Still undecided”
want to vote for any president candidate. Is that possible?
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estesbob
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You start by never never voting for somebody who supports unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion on demand. Even if that would not result in the overturning of Roe v Wade a person that has such a callous disregard for life has no business whatsoever being in a position of leadership , more or less being president of the United States
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estesbob
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I am hopeful that those who continue to support pro abortion candidates do so because they do not really accept the humanity of the unborn - the alternative is to terrifying to contemplate After all if the candidate was defending the right of a mother killer seven-year-olds nobody would vote for them. Yet as ,our Church teaches, there is no difference between the unborn child and the seven-year-old as far as the right to life is concerned . That people of goodwill continue to rationalize supporting this evil is another example of how much a culture of death has infiltrated our culture .
I’ve been involved in the pro-life ministry over forty years . I have marched, I have counseled in a crisis pregnancy clinic , I helped fund the cause and I have always, always voted for the most pro-life candidate available in every election . Through the efforts of people involved in the pro-life ministry we have made great strides in limiting this evil - yet every single step we have taken no matter how minor , to this evil has been opposed to the vigorously by the Democrat Party.
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Giggly_Giraffe
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The sky is falling!
Divine Mercy
Eternal Father, I offer you the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your Dearly Beloved Son, Our Lord, Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world.
For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
Divine Mercy
Eternal Father, I offer you the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your Dearly Beloved Son, Our Lord, Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world.
For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
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adowcday
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Those who support Democratic candidates do so because of the full range of policy positions of their candidates and an assessment of their ability to govern. In addition, some Democrats believe that Democratic policies, in fact, would reduce the number of abortions. That’s why I tend to vote for Democratic candidates and expect to vote for Hillary Clinton in the fall. I don’t believe that the Church requires me to be a single issue voter, even when that issue is abortion.
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estesbob
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So if s candidate supported the killing of 1 million seven year olds a year you would support them if they were “right” on the other issues?
The Church does not require us to be single issue voters but she does teach we can not vote for a pro-abortion candidate if a more pro-life alternative is available
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GaryTaylor
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Clinton speaks of abortion on demand, with 1-million a year killed, HHS-religious freedom suppressed, socialized medicine and suppression of conscience and same sex marriage while Trump speaks to evangelical Christians today. The liberal press and Obama made a historic announcement and for the first time in history a President endorsed a candidate involved in a federal investigation.
Multi issues rhetoric again? Such as what, the entire presidency was an abject failure supported by lies. National security, economy, employment, foreign policy? The democrats have nothing to discuss but some odd personality conversation about Trump.
Multi issues rhetoric again? Such as what, the entire presidency was an abject failure supported by lies. National security, economy, employment, foreign policy? The democrats have nothing to discuss but some odd personality conversation about Trump.
Happening in many a democratic city, riot and violence, restricted freedom of speech, from Baltimore to Chicago to NM Arizona and CA and here. The Democrats encourage the organized violence and the police to stand down at the same time. They are all about suppressed free speech and violent riots the democrats.
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adowcday
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Between Trump and Clinton, I’d pick Clinton on all of the criteria you listed: national security, economy, employment, foreign policy. Let me add some other issues on which I’d pick Clinton: environment, social safety network (including Social Security and Medicare), infrastructure, women’s equality, education, the courts, and others.
On abortion, there’s no clear choice. In 1999 Trump said in an interview with Tim Russert, "“I’m very pro-choice. I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I listen to people debating the subject. But you still — I just believe in choice.” Has he changed his position since 1999. Perhaps. But I don’t believe it. I think his position changed only when he considered becoming a Republican candidate for President and he thought that a pro-choice position would stand in the way.
So yeah, multi-issue rhetoric again. Single issue rhetoric is not the Catholic position, even when that single issue is abortion.
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GaryTaylor
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Its a red herring and talk. There is no multi issue red herring when intrinsic evil is the Church priority and there is no comparison with the above mentioned numerous anti christian points which you gloss over with some absurdity about 1999 and your own speculation…Your argument is a red herring fueled by speculation and daily liberal media talking point.
This is all Obama failure “national security, economy, employment, foreign policy” .which first of can’t be qualified as success let alone vaulted above intrinsic evil and anti christian agenda. You deny factual reality to rationalize speculation. Its the only bad argument democrats have and trust me its bad.
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estesbob
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Trump gave a list of pro-life judges he will appoint. He said he would refund planned parenthood and re institute the Mexico City Policy. So the choice is between voting for a candidate who may not be 100% pro-life vs one who has been an unapologetic supporter of abortion on demand her whole life.
You are incorrect on the Church teaching on single issue voting. The Church says that a single issue can never cause a Catholic to have to vote for a candidate but a single issue can disqualify a candidate from receiving a Catholics vote. And the Church has made it crystal clear what that issue is.
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adowcday
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I’m well aware of Church teaching on the subject of voting. The option is between voting for the better candidate or not voting. I think that both Hillary and Trump would be disqualified if we only looked at the abortion issue. Perhaps you’re arguing that Hillary Clinton is “more disqualified” than Donald Trump on that issue? Is that like being more dead or a little pregnant? Or perhaps we should believe Trump now that he’s running for office and would be advantaged by being pro-life and not believe Trump when he was pro-choice and had nothing to gain from his stated position.
I intend to vote for Hillary Clinton for President. I think that Donald Trump would be a disastrous choice. Frankly, most Republican leaders appear to think the same thing, even if they can’t bring themselves to support Hillary. One way or another, we will have a new President in November. It must not be Donald Trump in my view. If Catholics disqualify themselves from voting because neither candidate qualifies for the Catholic vote, then non-Catholics will choose the next President. I don’t think that’s the right approach.
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Sy_Noe
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“Can” or “may” does not = “must”.
What the bishops do say in their Faithful Citizenship guide is “we bishops do not intend to tell Catholics for whom or against whom to vote.” Yet posters here seem to me to do just that and say Catholics must vote against Hillary Clinton.
The bishops go on to say, "a Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who favors a policy promoting an intrinsically evil act, such as abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, deliberately subjecting workers or the poor to subhuman living conditions, redefining marriage in ways that violate its essential meaning, or racist behavior, if the voter’s intent is to support that position. In such cases, a Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in grave evil. At the same time, a voter should not use a candidate’s opposition to an intrinsic evil to justify indifference or inattentiveness to other important moral issues involving human life and dignity.
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-one.cfm
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Sy_Noe
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Thank you for this.
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