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DeusVult09
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there are special leaders in islam muftis and ayatollahs
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planten
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**Yes, thanks for giving information. There are no such things as are found in other religions, like:
- unmarried fathers in the church. Only they can lead the prayers.
- Like the Levites in Judaism, only they can serve the temple and organise the prayers.
- In Hindus, only the Pundits can lead the prayers.
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AdrianP
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About Orthodox Christianity , Holy Communion for eternal life, miracles , God, angels:
monachos.net/content/forum/showthread.php?t=6114
monachos.net/content/forum/showthread.php?t=6114
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DeusVult09
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hey! im Croatian and I do not hate the church or see it as a corrupted organization please do not make such generalizations!
And if you have proof that Paul invented Christianity id like to hear it. Muslims accept Mohammad had a mystical experience being revealed things by jibril why cant Paul have also had such an experience on the road to Damascus? You cant just accept one and deny the other as that is hypocrisy. Furthermore Muslims say that the bible does not contain any of Jesus’ words but the words of Paul then try to quote from it to support their beliefs with jesus’ sayings which is idiotic. And then Muslims say that Paul started writing decades after Christ’s death but the Koran was written 600 years after the fact. It just seems to be a double standard
Basically you have no proof for your assertion that Paul invented Christianity as he nowhere claims to have done so and the sole basis for your claim is that the koran says Jesus was a Muslim so Paul must have invented Christianity right? That’s not proof nor is it convincing.
Bosnians don’t like Christianity because a lot of them think all Christians are like those Serbs who committed atrocities in Bosnia. They haven’t given them a very good example but rejecting Christianity for these reasons is like me rejecting Islam because of Islamic terrorism. What the Serbs did had nothing to do with the teachings or practices of Christianity at all. Rather it was motivated by Serbian nationalism. The Serbs did similar things in Croatia during the war and we follow the same religion (more or less) so I don’t think it was motivated by religion.You can not compare the church with islam and the prophet,islam doesnt even have an institution like the catholics do.The priesthood is corupted,so is the church…thats what average people think.If i say the imams are corupted that doesnt change anything in islam,or me as a muslim.
wow,must be the only family in Bosnia,since all the misionaries say how hard it is to convert bosniaks and serbs to protestantism(catholics do not do missionary work in bosnia).There are many new catholics among ex muslim albanians but bosniaks are known to be “alergic” to the cross…as we say-even the worst kafir bosniak cant stand the cross…its because of our past as you may understand
And it also is pretty hypocritical as the Turkish Muslims when they invaded the Balkans during the 1500’s committed many similar atrocities but nobody ever mentions that. The Turks perpetrated massacres, rapes and enslaved Christian children indoctrinating them in Islam and then forcing to fight for the sultan in his janissaries. The Turkish Muslims managed to do all this yet Bosnians still manage to follow Islam but then why be put off Christianity by the actions of those Serbs? Its hypocritical to say the least
Emir Kusturica was right he does have Christian heritage but maybe not orthodox. Is he such a traitor for wanting to return to it?
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bosnian_muslim
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yes but they are in no way special nor chosen,i dont need to follow any of them,they are kinda like demokratic chosen leaders…when we think they dont do their work we can change them
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bosnian_muslim
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Mohammed is a prophet,Paul was supposed to be Jesus follower not a new prophet with a new religion.but thats what he became after he changed like 90% of the religion.He allowed the forbidden things,made up his own rules etc etc
the difference is that we muslims have people that are so called “hafiz”,they know the Qoran by heart,.Specially during the first years of islam that was very popular,so people gathered all the time in mossques to learn different surahs of islam,.There is no way you can change anything in the Koran just because of that fact
AND please,the fact that Koran was written 600 years after Mohammed is nonsene,the first Koran has been written a few years after the prophets death by khaliph Omar(one of his 4 followers,he lived with Mohamed most of his life)…the copy of that Koran still exists in the turkish museum.
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thats a silly question,its like asking why dont the serbs leave orthodoxy now after all the things the soldiers did in the name of orthodoxy?
ok,so what do you say about this…
you are a traitor because you are a catholic and we know you guys used to be pagan before,just like the whole world…lets just return to paganism if we are gonna follow your logic?
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AdrianP
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Orthodox Priests are very special receiving Holy Spirit down from Apostles. They can give people Holy Communion fro Eternal life and I think they are more powerful like angels in the aspect that they received from God the gift of forgiving sins.
Angel appearing at Orthodox Holy Liturgy when people get Holy Communion for eternal life. Muslims buy an Orthodox Bible and read. Don’t let others tell you about it or go to a Orthodox Priest for explanation but be nice, since he can forgive your sins too.
Did you know about this?
John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Angel appearing at Orthodox Holy Liturgy when people get Holy Communion for eternal life. Muslims buy an Orthodox Bible and read. Don’t let others tell you about it or go to a Orthodox Priest for explanation but be nice, since he can forgive your sins too.
Did you know about this?
John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
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dzheremi
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My apologies. I was raised to be polite even in disagreement, and ma’am is quicker to type than your username.im female,but i dont like beeing called ma’am
Indeed.
I did use Google. That’s where I found this page that states “Захумско-херцеговачку епархију основао је свети Сава 1219”, or in English, “Zahumlje-Hercegovina eparchy was founded by St. Sava in 1219”. This is the same information I also found in English via Google.
It is slander to the great Maronite Church that you would claim with no evidence that any Maronite monk would recognize Muhammad’s prophethood. The Maronites spent many a century being abused by Muslim conquerers under oppressive Ottoman rule, and they kept their faith. Without some direct evidence by way of quotes from a reliable source, I can only conclude that you are making this up.,what?
A Maronite monk? Maybe one of those gnostic Ebionites who were actually numerous in the area during Muhammad’s time, but that’s something entirely different. As to the conversion of Christians, no doubt some of the did convert, and even more once the so-called “rightly guided Caliphs” started their offensive wars against the rest of the world. I wouldn’t call that anything to be proud of, or evidence of the truthfulness of Muhammad’s religion. Quite the opposite, in fact.
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bosnian_muslim
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no problem ,im too young to be a ma’am,a ma’am should be at least 30
kidding,anyway
are you a serb? i dont even understand the cirilica,anyway,i dont know about sava all i know is that orthodoxy didnt exist in any great numbers untill after the ottomans
its from a hadith,not my story
please,opressive? if they wanted to change the religion of the christians they would easy do it
the ottomans always had a friendly(weird enough) relationship with the orthodox,it was the catholics that were seen as the enemies-not orthodox
One of the main ayahs from the holy Koran:
“2.256”: **There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Al}ah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing. **
so what you are talking about is just not true,i would understand if you would claim ottomans did that,but no way the 4 caliphs,they just followed the teachings of islam,and gave their life to spread islam…so they would never go against an ayah
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dzheremi
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Hahaha. Okay.no problem ,im too young to be a ma’am,a ma’am should be at least 30
No, I am not a Serb. I can read it, though. It is close enough to Russian, which I do know. Also, there is Google translation services for any particular word which might be difficult (though there were none in that short line).
Uh…you know that the Maronites are CATHOLIC, not Eastern Orthodox like the Serbs, right?
Ahhhh, yes…the famous “no compulsion in religion”. Forgive me for what might seem an insulting rejection of what you no doubt sincerely consider to be a bedrock principle of your faith, but from a Christian perspective, this just is not the consistent message we get from Islam. “No compulsion” in one part, and “fight them, among the people of the book, until there is no more strife and all religion is for Allah” in another part. We know which model of inter-faith relations has been followed throughout much of Islamic history, and it is not the “no compulsion” one, unfortunately.
This is absolutely ridiculous, unless you want to claim, for instance, that the Visigoths had done something to warrant the OFFENSIVE WARS launched against them by the Berber Muslims. They didn’t, and these wars to spread Islam were offensive, not defensive.
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Cecilianus
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Regarding the “Maronite monk”: Given the time and place he was most likely a Jacobite (adherent to Monophysitism); he prophesied that Mohammed would come to greatness (which is pretty undeniable, if by “greatness” you simply mean fame and huge historical influence).
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bosnian_muslim
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maronite,jacobite,…what else is there? i just know he was a christian monk
catholic? they dont follow the Vatican,so i assumed they were orthodox
One part of Koran is universal,the other was a guide to the muslims during the prophets time.There were different kinds of situations that led to different kind of solutions.The universal is that there is no compulsion in religion,or as prophet once said after hearing that some muslims attacked a church “i will rebuild it my self”.You as a catholic can not talk about history,what happened to the muslims of Spain? who saved the jews of Spain?
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sedonaman
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They were driven out, and rightfully so.
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bosnian_muslim
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thanks for proving my point to dzheremi
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Contarini
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This is a rather strange statement. Who do you think inhabited/ruled Constantinople, Serbia, Greece, etc., before the Ottomans invaded? Who lived in Anatolia before the Turks invaded in the 11th century and turned it into “Turkey”? Answer: Eastern Orthodox Christians.
Then how come the Orthodox have a fairly robust number of “new martyrs” who were killed by the Muslims under Ottoman rule?
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inJESUS
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Why would an Irish consider an Arab nationalistic political ideology called Islam when huge number of arab themselves are leaving it ?
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sedonaman
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That point would be that Muslims had a right to Spain?
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bosnian_muslim
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im talking about BOSNIA
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jpaul1953
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De,ar BosianMuslim,
Where are you getting your information from because IT’S ALL ONE BIG LIE. It’s obvious you’re passing on info that was passed onto you to validate your faith and destroy the catholic faith.
Paul taught exactly how Jesus taught. Give some specific doctrines that Paul has altered. You haven’t a clue about Christianity, except that your faith is the truth and ours is from a failed prophet. RIGHT!!!.
You want to be Muslim, be Muslim, but don’t be a hipocrite and speak of things you know nothing of and spread them on your post as if it was the absolute truth.
You sure as heck wouldn’t want Catholics guessing about your faith and claiming it to be truth.
Whether you realize this or not , you are lying about Chriistianity. Prove your points or say I made amistake and move on.
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Contarini
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No, the point would be that not only have Christians been guilty of the kind of behavior of which we accuse Muslims, but some (fortunately only a very few, but disproportionately represented on this forum) still defend that behavior, while hypocritically condemning Islam.
Edwin
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