Catholic Considering Islam

[BigFellaMick]

My good sir. You are an Irishman. Have some respect for your blood. I can not speak for Ireland as I am, unfortunately, merely an Irish American. But I know that Ireland’s history is rich in the truth, thanks to the work of the Catholic Church. I have seen Islam in several different ways through my experiences with the army and must say that there are truly a wide spectrum of beliefs. It’s no different from other religions in that some people follow all the traditions, others only the ones that don’t inconvenience them. I’ve seen devout Islamic muslims who would lay down their lives for Allah and I’ve also seen ignorant hate-filled muslims who would twist the words of Allah to further their own agenda against the west. Just because you were impressed by the actions of a few, doesn’t mean they hold for the many. I will pray that God will keep you in his heart because it sounds to me like you are being led astray. If you really seek truth, look at your roots.

 

[Cecilianus]

Muhammad slept with a 6 year child and that is considered normal, so what other bizarre or deranged teaching will be altered or sugar coated to make you believe that Islam is a peaceful religion.

Actually, he waited until she was 9, which really doesn’t make a whole lot of difference. Furthermore, it isn’t considered normal, even by Muslims. The Prophet had special privileges, since “Allah made two things lovable to me, women and perfumes”, to paraphrase a hadith. There generally is no natural law in Islam; the will of Allah (usually conforming surprisingly close to the will of the Prophet) is fickle.

Stay with Christ, he is the True God, Allah is based on the pagan moon god, Allah is NOT God, JESUS CHRIST IS!

Yes, stay with Christ, because He is Allah (or at least consubstantial with Allah, if by “Allah” you mean strictly God the Father). Allah is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, at least according to the Muslims, and I cannot understand the arrogance of denying that they worship the God they say they worship. If Allah is not God, then the Maronites and Melkites are in big trouble. Remember that the Church herself claims that Muslims worship God, in Nostra Aetate from Vatican II. “Allah” simply means “the-God”, even if earlier pagans thought that some moon god was “the God”. So did Abraham, for a day. They were mistaken.

Let me show my point linguistically (or analytically, rather). If I am looking for God and I make a number of statements which I (mistakenly) believe to be true, the word “God” is still being used correctly. I might say that the sun is God - and either I am wrong AND using the word “God” univocally, or I am using a different meaning for the term “God” and therefore my statement could be correct. To say that the statement is wrong presupposes a univocal use of the term “God”. This is what happened when some pagan Arabs mistook the moon for Allah (the Arabic word for God).

 

[FatTire]

Actually, he waited until she was 9, which really doesn’t make a whole lot of difference. Furthermore, it isn’t considered normal, even by Muslims. The Prophet had special privileges, since “Allah made two things lovable to me, women and perfumes”, to paraphrase a hadith. There generally is no natural law in Islam; the will of Allah (usually conforming surprisingly close to the will of the Prophet) is fickle.

Yes, stay with Christ, because He is Allah (or at least consubstantial with Allah, if by “Allah” you mean strictly God the Father). Allah is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, at least according to the Muslims, and I cannot understand the arrogance of denying that they worship the God they say they worship. If Allah is not God, then the Maronites and Melkites are in big trouble. Remember that the Church herself claims that Muslims worship God, in Nostra Aetate from Vatican II. “Allah” simply means “the-God”, even if earlier pagans thought that some moon god was “the God”. So did Abraham, for a day. They were mistaken.

Let me show my point linguistically (or analytically, rather). If I am looking for God and I make a number of statements which I (mistakenly) believe to be true, the word “God” is still being used correctly. I might say that the sun is God - and either I am wrong AND using the word “God” univocally, or I am using a different meaning for the term “God” and therefore my statement could be correct. To say that the statement is wrong presupposes a univocal use of the term “God”. This is what happened when some pagan Arabs mistook the moon for Allah (the Arabic word for God).

About the word Allah, it does not literally mean God, more specifically the Judeo-Christian God.

Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.This Hubal was a moon god.
One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world: About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo … a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim). The moon god was also referred to as “al-ilah”. This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning “the god”. Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as “al-ilah”. “al-ilah” was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as “Allah”. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name “Hubal” but retained the generic “Allah”. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.

Also consider that Muhammad’s father’s name was Abdullah (ullah being a variation of the term Allah). Muslims claim that Allah was revealed by Muhammad, how can it be when the term is used in Arabic names, even his father’s?

Just look up the pagan origins of Islam, there is actual archaeologically evidence that clearly shows that Allah and many elements of Islam predate Muhammad and are not divine revelations.

Sure the same can be said about Christianity and paganism, but Christianity is open to criticism and had taken on these baseless claims and proven them to be absolute falsehoods strung together by those bent on disproving the historical Jesus. Islam does not consider outside sources in regards to their religion or founder, only the Koran is used to explain their beliefs. The real reason Muhammad’s image is not allowed to be drawn is not because of graven images, its because he was a handsome man who had his features ruined in battle and being self-conscious about his looks made it divine law not to replicate his image. Hence the murder and violent mob response to the Danish cartoons. Very peaceful indeed!

 

[planten]

**Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful

Not if s/he kills innocent people . killing any innocent person is a major sin in Islam . Fight on behalf of the oppressed people is a must.

And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, illtreated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is:

“Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help.” **

( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #75)

You see what you just wrote? There is still killing involved in Islam, I mean regardless of someone is innocent or not, killing others and dying for the religion is celebrated in Islam.

And which one of your Mullahs tell you who is innocent or not? Is it the author who criticizes Islam and your founder Muhammad? Or the man who wants to convert to Christianity?

**
You people are guilty of not standing up to any oppressor or persecutor. You offer the other cheek. That is quite illogical and un-natural.

You know that Muslims have law and their are courts. But you do not have law of your own. Do you have any law?**

I am from a Muslim country and sadly Americans and Westerners are very delusional about Islam and are not exposed to the reality of what it is. Truth be told, I don’t hold Islam in a very good light. I have studied it and know it’s followers and the ones who are devout will not even eat from “dirty” Christian plates or shake hands with a Christian. This is not to say all Muslims are like this, many are carefree even to the point of consuming alcohol and being very lax in their obedience to Koran laws, at least the ones I know.

And yes, they do respect Jesus, but at the same time insult Him in the most vilest ways by saying that He did not die on the cross and resurrect on the 3rd day. They also respect the Virgin Mary, I know of Muslims who actually go to Catholic Churches and secretly pray to the Blessed Mother and to Christ and have told everyone that Christ has healed them, hear that? Not Allah but Christ, …

…

**You are telling all sorts of lies. If some one does not believe that Jesus died on the Cross, you think that is an insult of great order. Quite funny logic. If some one did not believe that some one did not die, it could be an insult. That is your funny logic. You people (and the Jews) had always been in doubt whether Jesus really died or he just fainted on the cross. Present day doctors are saying that Jesus simply fainted on the Cross.

You are guilty of blasphemy killing Jesus, i.e. according to Deut 18:20 he would be a false prophet. You are taking side with the enemies of Jesus who wanted to kill him on the cross. We Muslims deny that. Death on the Cross is for a cursed person and you are all happy proclaiming Jesus as a cursed person. You do not know the meaning of the curse of God. A cursed person is far away from the mercy (blessing) of God.**

Play devil’s advocate when it comes to Islam or any philosophy you decide to dedicate your life to, even Christianity. I have, I walked away from God, was an atheist for two years and looked at both arguements for and against Christianity and that is why I am a firm believer in Christ…

** You should thank God that you came back quickly (two years). But then you should respect other people’s faith.

**

If you take the same approach to Islam you will see that it is based on a heresy started by a heretical Nestorian Monk, not Muhammad. I can go on for days about Islam, long story short do your own search ask tough questions to both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars and Inshallah (to quote the Muslim) you’ll avoid this religion like the plague! Stay with Christ, he is the True God, Allah is based on the pagan moon god, Allah is NOT God, JESUS CHRIST IS!

**We know that jesus is not God. he was a simple man walking about preaching and calling people to God. he had a God and a Lord. It is all written in your bibleNT. He used to pray to his God. can you not understand the flaw in your theology? Did you ever hear about a God who was praying to some one?

Did you ever hear about a God who could die?? Who could be praying with sweat flowing like blood, trying to beseech his God to avoid the cup??

There are many other flaws in your system. Please think over with cool mind. And do not abuse any one as we do not abuse any of your dear ones. We know they are not really dear to you.

It is we Muslims who really respect and honor Jesus and Mary and all other prophets. You people have got your own made out list of prophets too according to your bad wishes.**

 

[Hadi]

*Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.
41:37
*

 

[ZAKI]

You see what you just wrote? There is still killing involved in Islam, I mean regardless of someone is innocent or not, killing others and dying for the religion is celebrated in Islam.

And which one of your Mullahs tell you who is innocent or not? Is it the author who criticizes Islam and your founder Muhammad? Or the man who wants to convert to Christianity?

I am from a Muslim country and sadly Americans and Westerners are very delusional about Islam and are not exposed to the reality of what it is. Truth be told, I don’t hold Islam in a very good light. I have studied it and know it’s followers and the ones who are devout will not even eat from “dirty” Christian plates or shake hands with a Christian. This is not to say all Muslims are like this, many are carefree even to the point of consuming alcohol and being very lax in their obedience to Koran laws, at least the ones I know.

And yes, they do respect Jesus, but at the same time insult Him in the most vilest ways by saying that He did not die on the cross and resurrect on the 3rd day. They also respect the Virgin Mary, I know of Muslims who actually go to Catholic Churches and secretly pray to the Blessed Mother and to Christ and have told everyone that Christ has healed them, hear that? Not Allah but Christ, of course this is all here in the US, if they did that in their own countries, there would be hell to pay. Some of these Muslims have even converted to Christianity, because Christianity offers something that Islam doesn’t (the Truth being for starters) but it’s a personal relationship with God so much so we are commanded to call God “Father”, what other religion do you know, that you can be so personal with God to call Him dad and to speak to Him directly? None other! Be thankful to God you have found Catholicism and stay a Catholic, for your own good and your soul’s salvation.

So if you were to ask me, stay away from Islam and try your best to convert those who are Muslim to Christianity. Always consider the source of the information you get about from Islam, Muhammad slept with a 6 year child and that is considered normal, so what other bizarre or deranged teaching will be altered or sugar coated to make you believe that Islam is a peaceful religion.

Be very very careful of Islam, study it top to bottom, outside historical sources about Muhammad and the origin of the religion. Muslims hold the Koran to be the only non-flawed perfect book and only allow their followers to learn about their founder from that source only.

Play devil’s advocate when it comes to Islam or any philosophy you decide to dedicate your life to, even Christianity. I have, I walked away from God, was an atheist for two years and looked at both arguements for and against Christianity and that is why I am a firm believer in Christ.

If you take the same approach to Islam you will see that it is based on a heresy started by a heretical Nestorian Monk, not Muhammad. I can go on for days about Islam, long story short do your own search ask tough questions to both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars and Inshallah (to quote the Muslim) you’ll avoid this religion like the plague! Stay with Christ, he is the True God, Allah is based on the pagan moon god, Allah is NOT God, JESUS CHRIST IS!

ummm…you pretty much don’t know anything. keep living in your fairytale world while we adults try to have a serious discussion

wasalam

 

[planten]

Please I want everyone to look up Nestorian Assyrian monk Sargis Bkheera. He is the one who originally came up with the heresy that Judas was crucified in place of Jesus. He was expelled from his monastery and went to Mecca where he meet Muhammad, and well the rest is a mixture of misinterpretation, flawed logic, and bad Bible study leading to the Koran.

**FatTire, I am thankful to you for letting us know who was the culprit who misled some of the Muslims into believing it was not Jesus on the Cross but it was some one else.

That was a very foolish idea put into our heads and we Muslims wondered wherefrom it came. Now we know that it was some christian idea to mislead the Muslims. So good-bye to that substitution theory. FatTire, you have given a very useful information.

The rest of your note about Baheera meeting Muhammad is all false. Muhammad was a very young man when He was seen by Baheera. Baheera announced that he (Muhammad) will be the prophet. At that time, Muhammad was about 10 years old. So baheera could not tach anything to Muhammad.**

This accounts for the extraordinary doctrinal similarity between some aspects of Islam and the Assyrian Church of the East. For example, according to Assyrian Church doctrine, there is no awareness of passage of time between the moment of death and final judgment; final judgment occurs immediately even though thousands of years may have passed on Earth. Islam holds this same view.

Meaningless notes and comparisons…

 

[ZAKI]

About the word Allah, it does not literally mean God, more specifically the Judeo-Christian God.

Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.This Hubal was a moon god.
One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world: About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo … a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim). The moon god was also referred to as “al-ilah”. This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning “the god”. Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as “al-ilah”. “al-ilah” was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as “Allah”. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name “Hubal” but retained the generic “Allah”. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.

Also consider that Muhammad’s father’s name was Abdullah (ullah being a variation of the term Allah). Muslims claim that Allah was revealed by Muhammad, how can it be when the term is used in Arabic names, even his father’s?

Just look up the pagan origins of Islam, there is actual archaeologically evidence that clearly shows that Allah and many elements of Islam predate Muhammad and are not divine revelations.

Sure the same can be said about Christianity and paganism, but Christianity is open to criticism and had taken on these baseless claims and proven them to be absolute falsehoods strung together by those bent on disproving the historical Jesus. Islam does not consider outside sources in regards to their religion or founder, only the Koran is used to explain their beliefs. The real reason Muhammad’s image is not allowed to be drawn is not because of graven images, its because he was a handsome man who had his features ruined in battle and being self-conscious about his looks made it divine law not to replicate his image. Hence the murder and violent mob response to the Danish cartoons. Very peaceful indeed!

…And you christians (who have an IQ above 40) still fret when some muslims believe that christians believe in 3 gods? Look at some of the **** (excuse my french) your fellows spout out! All the points you have posted fat-tire I can easily refute but seriously what is the point? Why should I waste my time? What a pathetic, hate-filled, false post…

wasalam

 

[planten]

whats so funny? Its true Mohammad did have big orgies with his wives

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 5, Number 282:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet used to visit all his wives in one night and he had nine wives at that time.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:
Narrated Qatada:
Anas bin Malik said, “The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.” I asked Anas, “Had the Prophet the strength for it?” Anas replied, “We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men).” And Sa’id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 5, Number 270:
Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Muntathir:
on the authority of his father that he had asked 'Aisha about the saying of Ibn 'Umar(i.e. he did not like to be a Muhrim while the smell of scent was still coming from his body). 'Aisha said, “I scented Allah’s Apostle and he went round (had sexual intercourse with) all his wives, and in the morning he was Muhrim (after taking a bath).”

**Deus, please do not enter into such false reports. Otherwise we will ask you about that dirty oil of the dirty money that was rubbed on the head of Jesus by Mary Magd. There are quite a few other things which may be explored.

Did you read that in your bible that mary Magd poured the costly oil of her questionable earnings(?) on the head of Jesus???. It appears that you enjoy discussing such things.**

 

[DeusVult09]

**Deus, please do not enter into such false reports. Otherwise we will ask you about that dirty oil of the dirty money that was rubbed on the head of Jesus by Mary Magd. There are quite a few other things which may be explored.

Did you read that in your bible that mary Magd poured the costly oil of her questionable earnings(?) on the head of Jesus???. It appears that you enjoy discussing such things.**

False reports? You calling me a lair? You a re the liar not me go look up each hadith for yourself to see if they a re there and to see if im making it up before you accuse me of making some false reports see for yourself or have you never bothered to read Sahih Muslim or Sahih Bukhari?
usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/

and by the way im still waiting to see your evidence that Paul invented Christianity. I have been waiting the last 3 days. What does it say about your argument that you cant produce any evidence for it even after 3 days? How much longer will you keep me waiting?

Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute never is she called one in the NT . What happened was some people interpreting the text confused her with another lady in the NT who was a prostitute who is introduced before her. What dirty money? Hahah
Mary Magdalene has been officially pardoned by the church from the allegation.

You cannot answer what I said about Mohammad so you have to accuse me of lying because in your ignorance you do not even know what the texts I mentioned say.

 

[DeusVult09]

…And you christians (who have an IQ above 40) still fret when some muslims believe that christians believe in 3 gods? Look at some of the **** (excuse my french) your fellows spout out! All the points you have posted fat-tire I can easily refute but seriously what is the point? Why should I waste my time? What a pathetic, hate-filled, false post…

wasalam

You accuse us of being hate filled when according to you we all have iq’s under 40. wow more hypocrisy on display. Muslims have-not refuted the trinity or Christ’s divinity all you do is use the same arguments of Ahmed dedat and Zakir Naik which have already been refuted and answered. If Christians believe in three gods heres my challenge produce 1 verse which indicates we believe in three gods. Just one verse.

 

[DeusVult09]

**FatTire, I am thankful to you for letting us know who was the culprit who misled some of the Muslims into believing it was not Jesus on the Cross but it was some one else.

That was a very foolish idea put into our heads and we Muslims wondered wherefrom it came. Now we know that it was some christian idea to mislead the Muslims. So good-bye to that substitution theory. FatTire, you have given a very useful information.

The rest of your note about Baheera meeting Muhammad is all false. Muhammad was a very young man when He was seen by Baheera. Baheera announced that he (Muhammad) will be the prophet. At that time, Muhammad was about 10 years old. So baheera could not tach anything to Muhammad.**

Meaningless notes and comparisons…

Islam is a Christian heresy and this guy is right islam’s denial of the crucifixion comes from Nestorianism and Gnosticism. I have already proved it on CAF forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=369553

if you accept this Gnostic doctrine in the Koran as coming from allah you have to ccept every Gnostic doctrine including Jesus being all god and just a fleshly illusion which is why they denied the crucifixion in the first place since in the Gnostic belief system Jesus cant be crucified because he was not really human just god’s spirit his humanity was an illusion.

 

[DeusVult09]

DeusVult09
please accept my apology to you, i stand corrected.
I had thought that an orgy was where you got more than on partner in bed with you at the same time and now excessive drinking.
I see now i did not understand the meaning of the word.
do you know what they were drinking?

i don’t think Mohammad was drinking since he didnt aprove of drinking on earth but only in heaven ( a doctrine which Mohammad appropriated from st Ephrem’s hymns on paradise) but i meant a sexual orgy in the sense he had sex with all his 9 wives at the same time or in the same night

 

[Steven_John]

i don’t think Mohammad was drinking since he didnt aprove of drinking on earth but only in heaven ( a doctrine which Mohammad appropriated from st Ephrem’s hymns on paradise) but i meant a sexual orgy in the sense he had sex with all his 9 wives** at the same time or** in the same night

you see the or at the same time was the issue in definition of “orgy”
In addition to this “orgy” by definition involves heavy drinking and in my culture drugs.

The only evidence offered is “in the same night” this to me is polygamy at its worst relevant to my society. But we are not heavy breaders i think our average is 2.4 kids per couple, where as in them days making as many descendants as you can was the go.

I think you have no foundation other than your feeling to offer " at the same time"
And no foundation to use “orgy” considering there is no drinking.

Or maybe i missed some thing.

B blessed and b guided

 

[Jay53]

For Planten:

And I repeat my questions from Post #416 (EDIT: and #424):

I want to know why you don’t hate St. Peter just as much as St. Paul? St. Peter was one of Jesus’ 12 apostles, was with Him through all of His ministry and then, according to you, completely distorted Jesus’ teachings by becoming the 1st Pope of a Church that the “evil” Paul invented with corrupted teachings. So why don’t you villify St. Peter (or any of the other apostles for that matter) for deserting Jesus and corrupting His teachings?

 

[planten]

Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute never is she called one in the NT . What happened was some people interpreting the text confused her with another lady in the NT who was a prostitute who is introduced before her. What dirty money? Hahah
Mary Magdalene has been officially pardoned by the church from the allegation.
You cannot answer what I said about Mohammad so you have to accuse me of lying because in your ignorance you do not even know what the texts I mentioned say.

**Thanks for pardoning the good lady Mary Magd. She needed to be pardoned of what she had been doing.

There was a talk that she was the wife of Jesus. I told you that the more you dig into these things, more things will come out. I have complete feeling that Mary Magd was the wife of Jesus and recently there was found some cemetry of Jesus family in which was found the coffin (?)=stone cage for the son of Jesus.
Ben Masada (in this forum) had almost proved that Mary Magd was the beloved wife of Jesus.

You should not have said what you said about Muhammad. All hadith are not reliable. They are just a bit more reliable than your old bibleNT. Your Hadith (bible) is a man made book.Our hadith is also a man made book. These both (BibleNT and Hadith) are not the revealed words of God. So you should not indulge too much in your bible as well as in our hadith.**

 

[planten]

Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.
41:37

**Very good post Hadi, a good reminder that Muslim do not adore the Sun or the Moon.So there is no question of worshipping ny of them. Actually, these christians do not have sound knowledge about islam. They just have got something filled into their heads and they keep on objecting to our religion.

What you have written from the Quran is a good proof against the false allegation about Muslims having a moon god. These christians do not look toward their own Sungod and Moongod (Sun Day and Moon day). They named these days after their Sun god and Moon God, or took them from the pagan Greeks ancestors of the church.**

 

[Steven_John]

AsSalum o Aleikum,

They are just a bit more reliable than your old bibleNT

If hadeith were written some 100 to 300 years after Mahomad (pbuh) and Gosples were written 30 to 100 years after Yahooshua (pbwh) which would be more reliable?

Please correct the dates if incorrect.

By His will may Allah bless and guide you and yours as youes submit unto Him

 

[planten]

AsSalum o Aleikum,

If hadeith were written some 100 to 300 years after Mahomad (pbuh) and Gosples were written 30 to 100 years after Yahooshua (pbwh) which would be more reliable?

Please correct the dates if incorrect.

By His will may Allah bless and guide you and yours as youes submit unto Him

**Trying to correct the dates: Hadith was collecte dand compiled 200 years after the passing away of the prophet Muhammad.

The bible, even though it is said that it was written about 80 to 100 years after the disappearance of Jesus, has no comparison with Hadith. The bible came into surface 325 years after teh going away of Jesus when the Roman Emperor accepted christianity. That makes 325 years for the authentication of bible.

The writing of bible i.e. biography of jesus was done in the name of one person say mathew. The Hdith was collected from different persons and verified and checked and names of persons noted who related the Hadith.

That was not done in the case bible. Suppose Mathew wrote his gospel. Then who carreid that gospel for 225 years? Do you have any names? Who handled the gospel of Mathew and Mark etc. for more than two hundred years?? Who kept them, in what form??

The followers of Jesus were in hiding most of the time until they surfaced after 325 years. Nothing could be preserved for such a long time. They preserved it but it could not be reliable…
**

 

[franki_rulz]

Mr Bosnian muslim,

Take some time off and READ the history about the Indian subcontinent.It has the largest population of muslim becuase hindus were raped, murdered and forced to accept Islam by the moghuls…

A common practise by the mughals after captured a terriotry was : murder the men, force the kids into islam and rape the women, a vast majority of the muslim populance in the indian subcontinent are descendents of mughals who raped hindu/buddhist women and bore muslims kids.

Dont get me started on forcible conversion.There are documented facts to prove this.

Thank god for the british and the portuguese to have invaded and ruled the indian subcontinent and stopped the mughals from converting the whole population.
The islamic invaders ruled the indian subcontinent for over 700 hrs and managed to convert over half the population to islam.

With over half a billion muslims in the subcontinent, we are living in hell.Imagine what would have happened if the mughals continued to rule the Indian subcontinent.

Hindustan(under the islamic rule), by the time the british invaded indian consisted of present day India,pakistan,bangladesh,nepal, burma, afghanistan,parts of the former soviet union and parts of iran.All these countries were forcibly turned muslim. They could convert the whole of India because the population was too hugh for them(also there were some brave and secular hindu rulers like Shivaji,the rajputs and the Sikhs that kept them busy else we were all doomed)

So think before you speak…

You dont do such things? Really??

The indian subcontinent has thousand of “holy shrines” of muslim saints(peers). The dargah at Ajmer, India is one such example where millions of faithful muslims from around the world come over to pray and worship at.

People who live in glass houses should throw stones at others

…just to add one of the very 1st islamic invaders of India (i think it was allaudin-khilji) killed 3,50,000 hindus and buddhist IN A SINGLE DAY for not having converted to islam… so the next tym you preach that islamic propoganda about people converting to islam by peace… turn around and look, u might just have someone who knows more than you do…