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Jennifer123
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My point was to argue whether they are or aren’t a “denomination”, but that’s for another thread.
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Jennifer123
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Kathryn_0404:
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When Catholics say something or someone is Anti-Catholic, it’s not regarding just a matter of disagreement.
It’s referencing an apparent judgement made by a group or persons that seeks to specifically malign the teachings and ritual of the Church, either through misguided judgement or intentional malice. It usually lacks in charity.
Hope this helps to explain the difference between simple disagreement and anti-Catholic judgement.
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mom2boyz
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Here is what I always tell my boys about marriage. When it is the time find a girl who loves Jesus and who is Catholic.
Recently I have discussed with my 7 y/o about whether his way- in-the-future bride needs to be Catholic.
First of all my husband was not Catholic. I reminded my 7 y/o that if his wife wasn’t Catholic then she wouldn’t be able to go to communion just like daddy couldn’t for a long time. He said well couldn’t his wife go to the same classes like daddy did. I told him it took daddy a very long time (15 years) before he went to the classes. I also told him that his future wife may never go to the classes and then could never go to communion with him.
Some months ago this same son came to me and said “We are a Catholic family.” I said affirmed what he said. He then went on to tell me that we weren’t always a Catholic family, but now that daddy became Catholic we are now a Catholic family. These are the kinds of things children think about.
I always hoped my husband would convert and I got lucky. For every conversion I can find just as many who left the faith in mixed marriages because the pressure from the spouse became too great. My husband wasn’t anything so that may have been easier.
If you are seeking ways to make this work, maybe you need to look at what this means. Spend some time in prayer to be sure that this is truly the path that God means for you and not just what you want. If it is, there will be times when it is difficult.
Recently I have discussed with my 7 y/o about whether his way- in-the-future bride needs to be Catholic.
First of all my husband was not Catholic. I reminded my 7 y/o that if his wife wasn’t Catholic then she wouldn’t be able to go to communion just like daddy couldn’t for a long time. He said well couldn’t his wife go to the same classes like daddy did. I told him it took daddy a very long time (15 years) before he went to the classes. I also told him that his future wife may never go to the classes and then could never go to communion with him.
Some months ago this same son came to me and said “We are a Catholic family.” I said affirmed what he said. He then went on to tell me that we weren’t always a Catholic family, but now that daddy became Catholic we are now a Catholic family. These are the kinds of things children think about.
I always hoped my husband would convert and I got lucky. For every conversion I can find just as many who left the faith in mixed marriages because the pressure from the spouse became too great. My husband wasn’t anything so that may have been easier.
If you are seeking ways to make this work, maybe you need to look at what this means. Spend some time in prayer to be sure that this is truly the path that God means for you and not just what you want. If it is, there will be times when it is difficult.
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dhgray
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First of all W E L C
M E…Be very careful. If you want to know if he truly loves you, ask him if he is going to ALLOW you to have the children baptized and be raised in the Catholic faith. Yes I said “ALLOW” Besides being VERY anti-Catholic, they are also very “wives submitt”. You can kiss Christmas and Easter goodby and fellowshiping with anyone who is not in the Church.
For more information on the church go to:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Christ
Personally, I know he is a may be a good guy, but please pray, really pray about this relationship. Eventhough you go to both churches for worship, you will always be an outsider and eventually he will demand that you do not go to the Catholic church…
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kage_ar
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Not to be difficult, but, he may be part of a C of C that does celebrate Christmas and Easter (the Independant C of C/CC or the C of C Disciples of Christ).
In my experience, even some of the non-instrumental C of Cs celebrate Easter/Christmas…
There are the one-cup believers and those who use individual cups for communion.
Since all but the Disciples group are “non-denominational”, there is no central doctrinal or practice code - each congregation answers only to their Elders…
In my experience, even some of the non-instrumental C of Cs celebrate Easter/Christmas…
There are the one-cup believers and those who use individual cups for communion.
Since all but the Disciples group are “non-denominational”, there is no central doctrinal or practice code - each congregation answers only to their Elders…
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ReflectHim
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so i get warned for “being off topic” but I must let false information and biased opinions be posted which promote the incorrect values and information and teachings of my Church. Just lovely.
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carol_marie
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What has been posted that is incorrect? Also, it is my understanding that each CoC is independent - so while it may be incorrect about your congregation - couldn’t it be true about many others?
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slyboots
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Depends on the part of the country you are in.
As a child my mother and I attended a Church of Christ in Oklahoma. I was 9 when this happened.
I was in SS class and we were discussing heaven. Kids were asking who would be in heaven. One asked if her grandma would be. Teacher knew grandma to be a faithful Church of Christ member so she said of course.
Next child asked if her cousin who was a Baptist would be. Teacher said she wasn’t sure but we would pray for him.
I asked if my friend would be in heaven. Teacher asked me what church the friend attended. I told her that she was Catholic. Teacher bluntly said no, that she would go straight to hell. I got up and ran out of the room. When my mom came out of her class I told her what happened. Momma talked to the minister. I don’t know what was said but we never went there again.
The southern Church of Christ of which this was one is very different from the northern Church of Christ.
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dhgray
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I’m glad you are here to give a voice to the non-Catholics. If I am incorrect with my facts, I do appologize. However, I do cite my reference. I appreciate the reference you cite, but it is a CoC website and would definately slant information to their favor. If you are happy with the CoC, then God Bless you and may he continiously protect and give you peace.
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ReflectHim
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i too cite my reference. but as far a slanting in one’s favor…i disagree. would not too a catholic site do the same? not slanting the information in favor…providing our beliefs and doctrine. of course its going to be in “our favor” its what we believe. period
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kquinn
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Perhaps it would help all of us if the branch of C of C that caffinated’s boyfriend belonged to was clerified. Which issues are you feeling attack your church Reflect? I don’ feel like anyone is trying to bash C of C (though I know things often take on a different meaning when we are in the group being discussed). It is important to consider some of these differences that may occur between Catholicism and C of C sections. Caffinated, can you give us any more specifics (without feeling uncomfortable of course 
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God bless,
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) about your husbands C of C beliefs?God bless,
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JeffAustralia
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*I would have to say that the Church of Christ is no more anti-catholic than the catholic church is anti-Church of Christ or anti-protestant.
www.preachersfiles.com if you want to get a better understanding of his faith.*
This is one of many things a search showed up:
preachersfiles.com/catholicism/000551.htm
www.preachersfiles.com if you want to get a better understanding of his faith.*
This is one of many things a search showed up:
preachersfiles.com/catholicism/000551.htm
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ReflectHim
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catholic.com/library/Distinctive_Beliefs_of_Jehovahs.asp
what’s the difference? you contrast beliefs. and give scripture to support your ideas.
what’s the difference? you contrast beliefs. and give scripture to support your ideas.
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dhgray
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The reference I cite is NOT a Catholic site. It is an independent encyclopedia. But back to the origional question: Should a Catholic and Church of Christ date / marry? I’d say no for the sanity of both parties. If you are happy in the CofC then God Bless you and I hope you have a long and happy life.
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JeffAustralia
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I wouldn’t strongly suggest that a Catholic and a JW date either. Just pointing out that the CofC clearly teach that the Catholic Church is wrong.
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Alterum
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My parents were in the Church of Christ for a few years while I was growing up. If I recall, we went to services every Wed. and Sun. My uncle and his entire family are still in the Church of Christ (although I think they consider themselves slightly independent given the recent problems in that church).
My experience with them has been nothing but awful.
I truly believe that my uncle’s family thinks they are doing the right thing. You need to recognize, however, that the CoC is incompatible with the Catholic faith on many, many, many levels, no matter how sincere and devoted its followers may be. Plainly said, it is a cult. I am quite surprised, in fact, that this man can be in a relationship with you at all. My cousins are not allowed to date anyone outside of the Church of Christ. My uncle thinks my family and I are all going to hell because we’ve never been properly baptised.
My parents were sucked into the CoC (from Catholicism, in fact) much the way that many people are sucked into cults. When we went to the first service, everyone acted so, so, so nice, so friendly, like they had known us for our entire lives. I remember being around my uncles group of CoC friends (in fact, his only group of friends) later in my life; they were eerily intimate in their mannerisms and conversation. I just wanted to get away.
My parents were promoted up the hierarchy in the local CoC fairly quickly. The sole reason for this was that my parents were somewhat wealthy. The more invested they were in the CoC, the more money they gave to the CoC. My parents are also psychologists, and the CoC needed a pair of good psychologists.
I gained many new friends while in the CoC for those few years. I don’t remember their names now but they basically overrode all my other friends. The same thing happened to my parents. We routinely had dinner with “friends,” we always met with “friends,” we went to the park on weekends with “friends.” Life seemed good, and my parents suddenly had a giant network of “friends.”
Of course, things started to deteriorate. My father had questions about the faith that no one could answer. I ask my uncle some of these same questions even today. I kid you not – the response is always identical; his eyes sort of glass over and he completely ignores me. We can be in the middle of a religious discussion and he will act like I’m not even there. My parents said that the same thing happened to them.
I imagine the CoC thought that they had my parents fairly indoctrinated, as the patients that they sent were having all sorts of problems with the CoC. I don’t remember particulars, but these people were suffering psychologically because, for example, they had to destroy old relationships, they were told that their family and friends were going to hell, and so forth.
Eventually, my parents met with the leaders of the CoC in our area and explained why they were leaving. I didn’t understand because I was still very young. I didn’t understand what happened to my friends; they all vanished. All those kind adults with whom I had spent so many weekends and eaten so many dinners – they all vanished too. The very next day.
I never saw most of them again. It was like they all thought we were under the influence of the devil. In fact, my parents suspect that this is what they were told.
So, why am I telling you all of this? I think I’m trying to make the point that the CoC is not merely a Christian faith. It’s a cult. It really is a cult.
It must be so painful to consider leaving this man over religious differences if you truly have feelings for him. However, I would urge you to strongly consider the unending conflicts that marriage would entail for you two. I think that in this case you need to make a decision that has nothing to do with love but everything to do with reason and practicality. If I were in your position, I would end the relationship. I honestly don’t think it’s possible for you to have a healthy marriage with someone in a religious cult.
My experience with them has been nothing but awful.
I truly believe that my uncle’s family thinks they are doing the right thing. You need to recognize, however, that the CoC is incompatible with the Catholic faith on many, many, many levels, no matter how sincere and devoted its followers may be. Plainly said, it is a cult. I am quite surprised, in fact, that this man can be in a relationship with you at all. My cousins are not allowed to date anyone outside of the Church of Christ. My uncle thinks my family and I are all going to hell because we’ve never been properly baptised.
My parents were sucked into the CoC (from Catholicism, in fact) much the way that many people are sucked into cults. When we went to the first service, everyone acted so, so, so nice, so friendly, like they had known us for our entire lives. I remember being around my uncles group of CoC friends (in fact, his only group of friends) later in my life; they were eerily intimate in their mannerisms and conversation. I just wanted to get away.
My parents were promoted up the hierarchy in the local CoC fairly quickly. The sole reason for this was that my parents were somewhat wealthy. The more invested they were in the CoC, the more money they gave to the CoC. My parents are also psychologists, and the CoC needed a pair of good psychologists.
I gained many new friends while in the CoC for those few years. I don’t remember their names now but they basically overrode all my other friends. The same thing happened to my parents. We routinely had dinner with “friends,” we always met with “friends,” we went to the park on weekends with “friends.” Life seemed good, and my parents suddenly had a giant network of “friends.”
Of course, things started to deteriorate. My father had questions about the faith that no one could answer. I ask my uncle some of these same questions even today. I kid you not – the response is always identical; his eyes sort of glass over and he completely ignores me. We can be in the middle of a religious discussion and he will act like I’m not even there. My parents said that the same thing happened to them.
I imagine the CoC thought that they had my parents fairly indoctrinated, as the patients that they sent were having all sorts of problems with the CoC. I don’t remember particulars, but these people were suffering psychologically because, for example, they had to destroy old relationships, they were told that their family and friends were going to hell, and so forth.
Eventually, my parents met with the leaders of the CoC in our area and explained why they were leaving. I didn’t understand because I was still very young. I didn’t understand what happened to my friends; they all vanished. All those kind adults with whom I had spent so many weekends and eaten so many dinners – they all vanished too. The very next day.
I never saw most of them again. It was like they all thought we were under the influence of the devil. In fact, my parents suspect that this is what they were told.
So, why am I telling you all of this? I think I’m trying to make the point that the CoC is not merely a Christian faith. It’s a cult. It really is a cult.
It must be so painful to consider leaving this man over religious differences if you truly have feelings for him. However, I would urge you to strongly consider the unending conflicts that marriage would entail for you two. I think that in this case you need to make a decision that has nothing to do with love but everything to do with reason and practicality. If I were in your position, I would end the relationship. I honestly don’t think it’s possible for you to have a healthy marriage with someone in a religious cult.
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THutch04
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I have very mixed feelings on this subject. Certainly there are people who converted precisely because of the Catholic party. However, there are just as many for which an inter-faith marriage has been a source of struggle and disdain from families on both sides.
One thing that I would really want to make sure of if it were me is to have discussions about what to do when children come along before marriage. It’s not a 100% guarantee that things will work out exactly as planned (sometimes children bring out a certain side of people that we didn’t even know existed), but at least you will have some idea of where each person stands on things like children, Baptism, the religion(s) of the family, ect. It’s also important to know what’s important to you in family worship. If it is important that your whole family be able to worship (and receive the Eucharist) together every week, then that would certainly make marriage with a non-Catholic harder, since there is no guarantee that they will ever convert.
One thing that I would really want to make sure of if it were me is to have discussions about what to do when children come along before marriage. It’s not a 100% guarantee that things will work out exactly as planned (sometimes children bring out a certain side of people that we didn’t even know existed), but at least you will have some idea of where each person stands on things like children, Baptism, the religion(s) of the family, ect. It’s also important to know what’s important to you in family worship. If it is important that your whole family be able to worship (and receive the Eucharist) together every week, then that would certainly make marriage with a non-Catholic harder, since there is no guarantee that they will ever convert.
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ReflectHim
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it is not a cult. period. you point out awful experiences and bad this and bad that… but can i judge the entire catholic church because priest have been molesting children? does the catholic church not preach that if you are not catholic you need to join that church? does it not also encourage to marry in the faith?
its funny how you point out the things in the CoC and the catholic church is also guilty. so i can say well why go to the catholic church, their so called spiritual leaders molest children!! i mean seriously. everything you are saying applies to i’m sure some catholic church out there. you speak of division, well i’ve read post about independent catholic churches, ones that encourage gays and stuff like that…so ummm…is that not a split?
the catholic church claims to also be the only church. believes in doing things the catholic way, pray for others to join the catholic church. and live this way and not really marry outside the church.
same rules apply? so what makes the catholic church any less than a cult?
point all the bad experiences…but just as many people if not more have left the catholic church as they have the CoC.
funny how its easy to point the finger. but first examine self
the CoC is not a cult. you are just trying to bad name the Church. you prove nothing for them to be a cult. the catholic church too then is a cult. because it has the same problems and can be described the same way.
i just love the bias here. i just love the Christian attitude.
its funny how you point out the things in the CoC and the catholic church is also guilty. so i can say well why go to the catholic church, their so called spiritual leaders molest children!! i mean seriously. everything you are saying applies to i’m sure some catholic church out there. you speak of division, well i’ve read post about independent catholic churches, ones that encourage gays and stuff like that…so ummm…is that not a split?
the catholic church claims to also be the only church. believes in doing things the catholic way, pray for others to join the catholic church. and live this way and not really marry outside the church.
same rules apply? so what makes the catholic church any less than a cult?
point all the bad experiences…but just as many people if not more have left the catholic church as they have the CoC.
funny how its easy to point the finger. but first examine self
the CoC is not a cult. you are just trying to bad name the Church. you prove nothing for them to be a cult. the catholic church too then is a cult. because it has the same problems and can be described the same way.
i just love the bias here. i just love the Christian attitude.
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Katie1723
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I am Catholic and my boyfriend is Seventh Day Adventist. We have “agreed to disagree” and aside from a few “issues” which we have since resolved, we have been quite successful on our individual spiritual journeys. Each with the others support. It can be a hard road at times, but we feel well worth the effort.
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ReflectHim
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i agree with katie. to the original poster, if you feel it worth your while then you’ll go on a spiritual journey together and either agree to disagree or come to an agreement. but this is your choice, and what you feel…
even if he were muslim, skih, or jewish ya know.
even if he were muslim, skih, or jewish ya know.
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