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Catholic High School student fights teacher on truth of the Resurrection
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Well, I assume that there’s more than the two of them in the class. We have no idea what the other students heard or didn’t hear. It is interesting that out of the entire class only her friend is publicly backing her up…
Who’s to say this didn’t happen after the article was published?
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Golly you really are getting desperate aren’t you?Obviously after this devout Catholic girl was upset enough top go on youtube the whole school knows ergo a retraction or clarification should be made in front of the class.Better yet the teacher could do so on youtube if he was so adamant that he was misquoted.
Why doesn’t he sue her for slander.?He obviously denied saying he did not believe in the resurrection to the chaplain and principal as that would be denying THE tenet of Catholicism in a Catholic school.The consequences would be severe for proselytizing.
“Who’s to say this didn’t happen after the article was published?”
Who’s to say it did?I’m sure the same media outlet would have reported it,HAD IT HAPPENED.
Why doesn’t he sue her for slander.?He obviously denied saying he did not believe in the resurrection to the chaplain and principal as that would be denying THE tenet of Catholicism in a Catholic school.The consequences would be severe for proselytizing.
“Who’s to say this didn’t happen after the article was published?”
Who’s to say it did?I’m sure the same media outlet would have reported it,HAD IT HAPPENED.
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" It is interesting that out of the entire class only her friend is publicly backing her up…"
How do YOU know that-are you prescient?
By the way he said this to the whole class
.She quotes the School Mission Statement,Blessed Pope John Paul II,the Catechism of the Catholic Church,Holy Scripture:John Chapter 11 verse 2,Acts Chapter 2 verse 32.
This girl is no crank and we have NOT heard the end of this.She asked the rhetorical question,"Do I contact the Bishop and let him know that heresy is being taught in a Catholic school?."She also says,"One day I want to be a real Catholic teacher in a real Catholic school.For this I pray,God Bless you.
Sincere you betcha.
See for Yourself
youtube.com/watch?v=l9AdddpFkKI&feature=player_embedded
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I believe the teacher is fortunate that he is not accused of sexual misconduct.
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Pax_et_Bonum
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Why?She is accusing him of proselytizing heresy.What does sexual misconduct have to do with it?
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AMEN, AMEN, AMENNAB 1 Corinthians 15: 1-21 - Pretty clear to me.
2 Through it you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
- Now I am reminding you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you indeed received and in which you also stand.
3 For I handed on to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures;
4 that he was buried; that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures;
5 that he appeared to Kephas, then to the Twelve.
6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.
7 After that he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
8 Last of all, as to one born abnormally, he appeared to me.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me has not been ineffective. Indeed, I have toiled harder than all of them; not I, however, but the grace of God (that is) with me.
11 Therefore, whether it be I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
12 But if Christ is preached as raised from the dead, how can some among you say there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then neither has Christ been raised.
14 And if Christ has not been raised, then empty (too) is our preaching; empty, too, your faith.
15 Then we are also false witnesses to God, because we testified against God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if in fact the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead are not raised, neither has Christ been raised,
17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still in your sins.
18 Then those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are the most pitiable people of all.
20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
21 For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead came also through a human being.
Praise Jesus Christ who has been resurrected.
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Here are some of the comments made on youtube,at least one by a teacher:
Good for you Francesca!
I heard about your story on Real Catholic TV.com News
I teach 8th Grade CCD (Faith Formation) in the USA, I hope that my students would have the same courage you had in standing up for your faith.
This world needs more young people like you, you know your CCC and you stand up for the truth! God Bless you & God Bless your parents.
Fight the Good fight, Finish the Race, Keep the Faith!
Ray4rail 6 days ago 7
May God bless you and your family, for defending the faith and proclaming the truth with courage and perserverence.
havock89 6 days ago 7
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Clearly that teacher has never read this verse:
“And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.” (1 Corinthians 15:17)
Reazzurro90 1 day ago
Good on you Francesca! I wish I’d have had the same guts as you at that age. God bless you.
wonderboy021082 3 days ago
It is so refreshing to see a young person standing up to these heretics. Keep up the good fight.
damooster 3 days ago
Go girl.
SuperPais 3 days ago
Wow…good for you, Thank you for having the courage to stand up for your Savior and his Church. With courage like that I hope you are evangelizing your fellow Catholics that they might to stand up for the Catholic faith!
constantboo 4 days ago
found this vid on Fr. Z’s blog. THANK YOU FOR STANDING FOR TRUTH.
mattmaes 4 days ago
Dear Francesca Heard about you from Real Catholic Tv. Your courage put a smile on my face. Keep up the good work. Sincerely Marc Rivard
oldschooldodge1 4 days ago
Prayers & rosaries for you! Keep the faith!
vint7107 4 days ago
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Awesome! If your teacher has no problem accepting a check each payday from a Catholic school than he should respect the Catholic faith and teach it accordingly. If he has doubts about faith, he needs to express those with an appropriate person, such as a priest, not with a group of students whose families are paying for a Catholic education. Finally, if he cannot maintain a respectful silence in the face of his doubts then he needs to do the honest thing and seek employment elsewhere.
hiswife2002 5 days ago
If I had a chance… I would love to talk to Francesca and her parents to know “How do you bring up a Catholic family (like yours) surrounded by all this madness”.
Thumbs up to you Francesca !
MrJamesthecatholic 5 days ago
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Seriously? Adults don’t sue children over silly issues like this. And besides, while I don’t know the Canadian system, in the US he’s have to show some kind of damages. Do you really think a handful of upset people commenting on the internet is going to be considered “damages” by any court?
For starters, I doubt lifesitenews would report it. Secondly, you keep asking why the teacher hasn’t done this or that. The fact is that you have no idea what’s happened outside of a single article.
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We only have a single article. In that single article only her friend is produced as a witness.
If he actually said it then someone else needs to stand up.
How do you know anything about this girl? She could be a saint. She could be a malcontent. She could be somewhere in between. We don’t know.
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These are kids-frightened of authority-she had the courage to do something about it and she has a witness.The witness doesn’t count because she;s 17? Why are you in such a rush to condemn her story? Because you’ve painted yourself into a corner? It was reported by Michael Voris of Catholic TV and Lifesite news both of whom are in the habit of checking out the veracity of someone’s claims lest they be SUED.
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For starters I guess you haven’t read all the thread.Guess where I got the story from which certainly gives it validity? Go check past episodes of Catholic TV.
Catholic High School student fights teacher on truth of the Resurrection
BY REBECCA MILLETTE
Wed Jun 08, 2011 17:01 ESTComments (16)Tags: Catholicism, Religion
NORTH BAY, Ontario, June 8, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) - “If Catholic students are required to go to so much trouble with their Catholic teachers to defend a teaching as simple as the resurrection, what do they have to do in their Catholic schools to defend teachings on abortion, homosexuality, or same-sex ‘marriage’?” asked Suresh Dominic of Campaign Life Catholic commenting on the case of Francesca Sinicrope.
A Grade 12 student of North Bay, Ontario, Sinicrope has recently gone to battle with a teacher and principal at her Catholic High School over the truth of Christ’s Resurrection.
“He told us people have taken the Bible too literally,” Sinicrope told LifeSiteNews in a recent interview. “He began saying that it was like a metaphor that you follow…He said that Jesus never resurrected.”
While the principal says an investigation has cleared the teacher of wrongdoing, another classmate has corroborated Sinicrope’s account.
During the week leading up to Easter this year the Catholic High School decided to place crosses in every classroom, recounted the teen. Following Holy Thursday Mass, Francesca’s sociology teacher provided an explanation of the crosses to the whole class, saying that the same message would be given to all the classes.
Francesca’s video footage, posted on YouTube, recounts the events. “He told my whole class that Jesus had never resurrected,” the 17 year-old said. “That is so unbelievable to me in a Catholic school.”
“My really good friend asked him, ‘So you’re saying that Jesus never resurrected?’ and he answered ‘yes’,” Francesca continued. “My teacher went against the Catholic faith and the school mission statement.”
A friend and classmate, Celine Giroux, backed up Francesca’s account. “He began talking about how we as Catholics took the understanding of the Resurrection too far,” Celine told LifeSiteNews. When the teacher told students the Resurrection had never happened, Celine says she challenged his statement.
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Catholic High School student fights teacher on truth of the Resurrection
catholicanada.com/prolific-links/lifesite-news/9443-catholic-high-school-student-fights-teacher-on-truth-of-the-resurrection.html
A reprint of the original but also published on Catholic Canada
catholicanada.com/prolific-links/lifesite-news/9443-catholic-high-school-student-fights-teacher-on-truth-of-the-resurrection.html
A reprint of the original but also published on Catholic Canada
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More information from her witness and Mother.
NORTH BAY, Ontario, June 8, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) - “If Catholic students are required to go to so much trouble with their Catholic teachers to defend a teaching as simple as the resurrection, what do they have to do in their Catholic schools to defend teachings on abortion, homosexuality, or same-sex ‘marriage’?” asked Suresh Dominic of Campaign Life Catholic commenting on the case of Francesca Sinicrope.
A Grade 12 student of North Bay, Ontario, Sinicrope has recently gone to battle with a teacher and principal at her Catholic High School over the truth of Christ’s Resurrection.
“He told us people have taken the Bible too literally,” Sinicrope told LifeSiteNews in a recent interview. “He began saying that it was like a metaphor that you follow…He said that Jesus never resurrected.”
While the principal says an investigation has cleared the teacher of wrongdoing, another classmate has corroborated Sinicrope’s account.
During the week leading up to Easter this year the Catholic High School decided to place crosses in every classroom, recounted the teen. Following Holy Thursday Mass, Francesca’s sociology teacher provided an explanation of the crosses to the whole class, saying that the same message would be given to all the classes.
Francesca’s video footage, posted on YouTube, recounts the events. “He told my whole class that Jesus had never resurrected,” the 17 year-old said. “That is so unbelievable to me in a Catholic school.”
“My really good friend asked him, ‘So you’re saying that Jesus never resurrected?’ and he answered ‘yes’,” Francesca continued. “My teacher went against the Catholic faith and the school mission statement.”
A friend and classmate, Celine Giroux, backed up Francesca’s account. “He began talking about how we as Catholics took the understanding of the Resurrection too far,” Celine told LifeSiteNews. When the teacher told students the Resurrection had never happened, Celine says she challenged his statement.
“So what you’re trying to tell me is that what I’ve believed in all my life is wrong, that Jesus never resurrected?” Celine asked. The 18 year-old recalled that the teacher answered: “The moral is right, it’s just the story is wrong.”
“Because He died in our honour we should be nice to each other,” was the teacher’s moral, according to Celine. Francesca’s earlier recollection agreed, “He told us the crucifix represents helping others, when we look at it that’s all it’s supposed to mean.”
According to Francesca, the event should never have happened. As she notes in her video account, her parents submitted a detailed “Traditional Values” form to the school at the beginning of the semester. The form specified requirements for parental notification or exemption from certain areas of teaching when “concepts or values” conflicting with the family’s values were presented.
Although Francesca claims she was assured that the details of the form would be met, she says her teacher clearly did not comply with her family’s wishes.
Quoting from the Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the official teaching of the Church, Francesca outlines how fundamental the teaching of the Resurrection is to the Catholic faith.
In a letter dated April 28th, Mrs. Pauline Sinicrope brought to the attention of the High School principal her daughter’s concerns with the Sociology’s teacher’s “misleading statements” “that he had to have known were clearly contrary to Catholic teachings”.
In response, the principal, Mr. Daniel Villeneuve, wrote to Mrs. Sinicrope on May 25th to assure her that the issue was “thoroughly investigated” with the help of the school’s chaplain, Jean Vezina. The teacher’s “beliefs and program delivery are in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church that reviewed many beliefs and practices under Vatican II,” he wrote.
LifeSiteNews contacted Mr. Villeneuve to clarify his letter on the matter of Church teaching on the resurrection and whether since the Vatican II review Catholics were permitted to hold a diversity of opinion on the matter.
“All Catholics, including the teacher Mrs. Sinicrope questioned, believe in the death and resurrection of Christ,” wrote Villeneuve in response, quoting from 1 Cor. 15 and the Vatican II document, Sacrosanctum Concilium. “It is the foundation of our catholic faith.”
“Our program delivery and beliefs are in line with the above mentioned quotes,” added Villeneuve. “Catholics therefore do not have the liberty to hold a diversity of opinions concerning what constitutes the basic foundation of the catholic faith: the death and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ.”
In light of the school’s denial of her account of her teacher’s false teaching, Francesca called on Ontario’s Catholic bishops to help her in her plight.
“Do our local bishops know what the Catholic schools are really teaching? I plead with our bishops to fight against heresy in our schools,” she said. “What happened in my school went against everything I believe in and this makes me angry because this is supposed to be a Catholic school.”
“You might as well say it’s not a Catholic school. It’s in name only,” Francesca’s mom, Pauline, told LSN. “I’m debating not allowing my kids going into that school until they fix this. We’re thinking of pulling them out completely because it’s hypocrisy to what we’re teaching our kids, it’s contrary to what we’re teaching and they’re interfering with what we as parents believe is being taught at the schools. It’s hypocrisy!”
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NORTH BAY, Ontario, June 8, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) - “If Catholic students are required to go to so much trouble with their Catholic teachers to defend a teaching as simple as the resurrection, what do they have to do in their Catholic schools to defend teachings on abortion, homosexuality, or same-sex ‘marriage’?” asked Suresh Dominic of Campaign Life Catholic commenting on the case of Francesca Sinicrope.
A Grade 12 student of North Bay, Ontario, Sinicrope has recently gone to battle with a teacher and principal at her Catholic High School over the truth of Christ’s Resurrection.
“He told us people have taken the Bible too literally,” Sinicrope told LifeSiteNews in a recent interview. “He began saying that it was like a metaphor that you follow…He said that Jesus never resurrected.”
While the principal says an investigation has cleared the teacher of wrongdoing, another classmate has corroborated Sinicrope’s account.
During the week leading up to Easter this year the Catholic High School decided to place crosses in every classroom, recounted the teen. Following Holy Thursday Mass, Francesca’s sociology teacher provided an explanation of the crosses to the whole class, saying that the same message would be given to all the classes.
Francesca’s video footage, posted on YouTube, recounts the events. “He told my whole class that Jesus had never resurrected,” the 17 year-old said. “That is so unbelievable to me in a Catholic school.”
“My really good friend asked him, ‘So you’re saying that Jesus never resurrected?’ and he answered ‘yes’,” Francesca continued. “My teacher went against the Catholic faith and the school mission statement.”
A friend and classmate, Celine Giroux, backed up Francesca’s account. “He began talking about how we as Catholics took the understanding of the Resurrection too far,” Celine told LifeSiteNews. When the teacher told students the Resurrection had never happened, Celine says she challenged his statement.
“So what you’re trying to tell me is that what I’ve believed in all my life is wrong, that Jesus never resurrected?” Celine asked. The 18 year-old recalled that the teacher answered: “The moral is right, it’s just the story is wrong.”
“Because He died in our honour we should be nice to each other,” was the teacher’s moral, according to Celine. Francesca’s earlier recollection agreed, “He told us the crucifix represents helping others, when we look at it that’s all it’s supposed to mean.”
According to Francesca, the event should never have happened. As she notes in her video account, her parents submitted a detailed “Traditional Values” form to the school at the beginning of the semester. The form specified requirements for parental notification or exemption from certain areas of teaching when “concepts or values” conflicting with the family’s values were presented.
Although Francesca claims she was assured that the details of the form would be met, she says her teacher clearly did not comply with her family’s wishes.
Quoting from the Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the official teaching of the Church, Francesca outlines how fundamental the teaching of the Resurrection is to the Catholic faith.
In a letter dated April 28th, Mrs. Pauline Sinicrope brought to the attention of the High School principal her daughter’s concerns with the Sociology’s teacher’s “misleading statements” “that he had to have known were clearly contrary to Catholic teachings”.
In response, the principal, Mr. Daniel Villeneuve, wrote to Mrs. Sinicrope on May 25th to assure her that the issue was “thoroughly investigated” with the help of the school’s chaplain, Jean Vezina. The teacher’s “beliefs and program delivery are in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church that reviewed many beliefs and practices under Vatican II,” he wrote.
LifeSiteNews contacted Mr. Villeneuve to clarify his letter on the matter of Church teaching on the resurrection and whether since the Vatican II review Catholics were permitted to hold a diversity of opinion on the matter.
“All Catholics, including the teacher Mrs. Sinicrope questioned, believe in the death and resurrection of Christ,” wrote Villeneuve in response, quoting from 1 Cor. 15 and the Vatican II document, Sacrosanctum Concilium. “It is the foundation of our catholic faith.”
“Our program delivery and beliefs are in line with the above mentioned quotes,” added Villeneuve. “Catholics therefore do not have the liberty to hold a diversity of opinions concerning what constitutes the basic foundation of the catholic faith: the death and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ.”
In light of the school’s denial of her account of her teacher’s false teaching, Francesca called on Ontario’s Catholic bishops to help her in her plight.
“Do our local bishops know what the Catholic schools are really teaching? I plead with our bishops to fight against heresy in our schools,” she said. “What happened in my school went against everything I believe in and this makes me angry because this is supposed to be a Catholic school.”
“You might as well say it’s not a Catholic school. It’s in name only,” Francesca’s mom, Pauline, told LSN. “I’m debating not allowing my kids going into that school until they fix this. We’re thinking of pulling them out completely because it’s hypocrisy to what we’re teaching our kids, it’s contrary to what we’re teaching and they’re interfering with what we as parents believe is being taught at the schools. It’s hypocrisy!”
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Worth reading again-
"In light of the school’s denial of her account of her teacher’s false teaching, Francesca called on Ontario’s Catholic bishops to help her in her plight.
“Do our local bishops know what the Catholic schools are really teaching? I plead with our bishops to fight against heresy in our schools,” she said. “What happened in my school went against everything I believe in and this makes me angry because this is supposed to be a Catholic school.”
Does this sound like a malcontent?I think not.
"In light of the school’s denial of her account of her teacher’s false teaching, Francesca called on Ontario’s Catholic bishops to help her in her plight.
“Do our local bishops know what the Catholic schools are really teaching? I plead with our bishops to fight against heresy in our schools,” she said. “What happened in my school went against everything I believe in and this makes me angry because this is supposed to be a Catholic school.”
Does this sound like a malcontent?I think not.
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They are? And how do you know that? I have friends who teach in high schools, the kids aren’t afraid of them.
Yes, out of a classroom full of students her one witness on record is her friend.
I wouldn’t say it doesn’t count. However, out of a classroom full of students only these two friends are on record as saying the teacher denied the resurrection. The teacher says he never said that, the school investigated and determined he doesn’t deny the resurrection.
So my question to you is: why doesn’t the school’s investigation count for anything to you?
I’m not condemning her story. I simply don’t see a reason to automatically take her side and condemn the teacher as some posters have done.
Hardly. I really don’t care one way or the other, I just fail to see the reason everyone was so quick to assume the teacher was guilty.
I don’t consider Michael Voris/Catholic TV to be reliable. And sorry, its simply not that easy to sue for slander/libel. You have to prove the speaker/publisher either knew the info was false or spoke/published with reckless disregard. And then in addition to that, you have to prove some kind of damages.
And once again, the facts that are present don’t add up to much. All that’s been reported is that the teacher was accused of something, which is true. Whether he actually is guilty hasn’t been shown by anyone.
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I have called both the Principal’s and Bishop’s office and left messages expressing my dismay and asked to speak to each personally.I doubt the principal will discuss it due to privacy law but it’s hardly private now is it?Hopefully the Bishop will respond.
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What gives it validity?
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Pax_et_Bonum
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I’m done with you .I think that you enjoy being a skeptic who has to get the last word.What gives anything in any newspaper validity?You’ve painted yourself in a corner and you can’t find a way out.So you attack the validity which has already been proven.Do you believe the world is flat or do you question the spherical shape validity thingie?
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You didn’t even address the point where you said it couldn’t have been printed by Lifesite and I embarrassed you by showing you Lifesite did publish it in post number one which you very obviously did not read.In trying to save face that’s the best ya got?
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