Catholic Husband, I'm the odd one out

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Also, so you are aware, he will NOT try to convert you. That isn’t something Catholics generally do. It wont’ be high pressure. He will recognize that you are doing this for your husband, and appreciate that. He won’t put the screws to you to get you to be Catholic too, I I promise.
 
Also, so you are aware, he will NOT try to convert you. That isn’t something Catholics generally do. It wont’ be high pressure. He will recognize that you are doing this for your husband, and appreciate that. He won’t put the screws to you to get you to be Catholic too, I I promise.
I don’t agree. If the OP’s husband didn’t in some sense try to convert her, he would not be loving her. Catholics genuinely believe that believing in God is good for us, and that receiving God’s love is a central way of living a good and happy life. How could we believe that, and not wish that our loved ones convert? :confused:

Mind you, I hope he will not try to *proselytize *her – to push the faith upon her.

But OP, if your husband does want you to be Catholic too, you should recognize that this is a sign of his love for you. And if he does not push you, this is a sign of his respect for you. My prayer is that he is able to show his love, but he does not fail in his respect for you.
 
Sanguine Rose, honestly… you are so over worrying.
I’m sure I am, the people there seemed nice and non-threatening in general, much less threatening than the average Baptist around here, actually. It just takes me a awhile to warm up to new situations and people and I cope with it by trying to get as much info as possible to make it less scary. I was completely lost during the Mass even with trying to follow along the in book they had in the pew, so I’m sure I had that dear in the headlights look, too.
Talking to the priest one-on-one might be a very good idea, if everyone is comfortable with it. Don’t worry about wasting the priest’s time - this is exactly what he’s there for. And don’t worry about feeling stupid or unknowledgeable - you’re not, and priests deal with ALL sorts of questions and confusion ALL the time. They’re totally used to it.
That’s good to know. I wasn’t sure what the protocol was and I’d hate to take his time away from other people who need it more than I do
You mentioned in another post you are reading Rome Sweet Home, has your husband picked it up at all?
Yeah, I finished it and he’s almost done with it now. He apologized for how he’s been acting and said that he’s just been stressed and this is a very important thing going on in his life in a lot of different ways so he wants me to be a part of it with him or at least not think he’s gone completely nuts, and it didn’t occur to him previously that it was almost more of a big change for me in some ways since I’m starting from zero knowledge on Catholicism. So, he said in future that if I want to talk about it, he’ll wait for me to bring it up, and there are just things that he has to do to get his life back in order and that he hopes I’ll help him with some of those things, at least out of solidarity, but he’ll understand if it’s too much right now. And he said he told his parents that we need some space to sort out how all of this is going to work between just us, so that’s cool. Good book recommend and advice, you guys. It’s been really helpful.
 
I don’t agree. If the OP’s husband didn’t in some sense try to convert her, he would not be loving her. Catholics genuinely believe that believing in God is good for us, and that receiving God’s love is a central way of living a good and happy life. How could we believe that, and not wish that our loved ones convert? :confused:

Mind you, I hope he will not try to *proselytize *her – to push the faith upon her.

But OP, if your husband does want you to be Catholic too, you should recognize that this is a sign of his love for you. And if he does not push you, this is a sign of his respect for you. My prayer is that he is able to show his love, but he does not fail in his respect for you.
I was referring ot the priest, not the husband. And although I supposed the priest will be hoping for conversion, he’s not going to, as you put it, proselytize her. People familiar with other denominations often are very pushy with religion, trying to “save” you on the first meeting. This won’t happen with a Priest.
 
Try this book by Jennifer Fulwiler, Something other than God. she was an atheist and her husband a non practicing baptist and both of them became Catholic. She had same issue as far as abortion and what the church taught and other topics but I think you will come to see that Catholicism is not a brow beating horrific religion. Its loving and caring and its very logical in way they teach things. The Church gives us guidelines to live a good holy life and to me there is nothing wrong with trying to be a good person. So it shouldn’t scare you or offend you. Even if you don’t believe in God and least try to understand just so you can understand your husbands thinking.
 
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Welcome to the forum!
So, I’m agnostic. There’s been a lot of talk about getting our son baptized lately, which I’m opposed to.
So. If you are truly an agnostic, what possible difference could it make if your husband has the children baptized? You are honest that you don’t know if there is a God or not.

If there is a God, then what possible harm could come to your children if they were baptized? How does this impact you? Either you believe there is no God (but they do), or you are not sure (but they are). In either case, what possible change does it make to you? None that I can see.

And if there is no God, what difference does it make if your husband goes through a (silly, because there is no God) ceremony that is meaningless? If it pleases him, should you not be pleased too?
 
So. If you are truly an agnostic, what possible difference could it make if your husband has the children baptized?
Well, for one thing, the children will spend their lives listening to Catholics telling them that, because they are baptized, they are subject to Church law.
 
Well, for one thing, the children will spend their lives listening to Catholics telling them that, because they are baptized, they are subject to Church law.
Oh, I kind of doubt that. For starters, I don’t know of any children who are taught about being subject to Church law. That is simply not a part of any curriculums.

and beyond that, what authority can the Church exercise? Burn them at the stake? Even in the middle ages, that was a civil punishment, not a Church punishment.

Put them in Jail? Again, that is a civil issue, not a Church issue - the Church doesn’t operate jails (but they do provide chaplains).

So, pretty much, no, that is not going to be an issue.

Now, they might teach them moral laws; but then many of the moral laws they would teach the children would be moral laws which an agnostic would agree with. So there really would be no problem there; or certainly no more problem than there would be with a mother who self-identifies as a Christian but disagrees with some of the moral laws the Church teaches.
 
Oh, I kind of doubt that. For starters, I don’t know of any children who are taught about being subject to Church law. That is simply not a part of any curriculums.

and beyond that, what authority can the Church exercise? Burn them at the stake? Even in the middle ages, that was a civil punishment, not a Church punishment.

Put them in Jail? Again, that is a civil issue, not a Church issue - the Church doesn’t operate jails (but they do provide chaplains).

So, pretty much, no, that is not going to be an issue.

Now, they might teach them moral laws; but then many of the moral laws they would teach the children would be moral laws which an agnostic would agree with. So there really would be no problem there; or certainly no more problem than there would be with a mother who self-identifies as a Christian but disagrees with some of the moral laws the Church teaches.
They’re not going to be jailed or burned at the stake? Oh, what a relief!

I agree with you that the Church has no authority that would affect these children in a practical manner. That said, I frequently read posts on CAF where someone takes the position that “baptism leaves an indelible mark on the soul” and that “once baptized you are Catholic whether you like it or not.” They then go on to make the argument that this baptized person is subject to Canon law. In the OP’s case, if she agrees to having the children baptized, Dad is very likely going to insist that they attend weekly Mass, receive all the sacraments, etc., because they are Catholic. When these children reach the age where they get married, Dad is going to tell them that unless they get married in accordance with the laws of the Church, they will be “attempting” marriage in an invalid manner. I suspect the OP is wary of the proverbial “slippery slope” that she’ll be starting down if she agrees to baptism.

Finally, given the OP’s lack of belief, she may regard participating in a baptism as being dishonest.
 
As far as attending Mass, your husband might simply want to feel supported. My husband is lapsed and I always feel sad when I’m at Mass all alone, surrounded by happy families. If you can put on a happy face, I’d say go just so he knows you support his choices, but if you will be visibly irritated or reluctant, that will be distracting and even more upsetting.
I so agree on this. OP - I can understand why this is a very uncomfortable, unsettling thing to have happen. On top of having a new baby, your marriage has taken a dramatic turn. But I think that going to Mass with your husband would be a very loving, supportive thing to do.

As far as the rest of it, I think that others have given a lot of good advice. Best I can say is take it one day at a time.
 
See, this would be fine with me. And it was something my husband and I agreed on while I was pregnant, that if our kid ever decided to practice a religion of some sort we would support that even if we didn’t believe in it personally. But we both, up until things changed, didn’t believe in foisting religion on children until they were old enough to make an appropriate decision for themselves. Obviously, now, things are different, and he has explained that he’s sort of bound to try to raise our kids Catholic and that baptism is a part of that, but I still don’t really like the idea, even if I don’t believe anything substantial happens other than my son getting wet.
The thing is, if a child isn’t presented with any religious background, they how will they come to it themselves?

If I might add a bit of (name removed by moderator)ut - when you decided these things about your children, neither of you had a faith. You still see what your husband is doing as ‘practicing a religion’ - an action one takes, I guess - a life choice. But for him, he has experienced a life-changing conversion of heart. He is not merely practicing a religion, but is living out his faith. There is a subtle difference. He has been overcome by what he sees as the Truth - the truth about the meaning of life and he has been given a guide for how to live. He has seen how the teachings of the Church are in keeping with that Truth that he has discovered. He has also encountered the living Christ and experienced His love. That’s something that he is going to want to share with his children and with you - out of love for you.

That said, he has to honor and respect your views as his wife and mother of his child.

My situation is a bit different, but somewhat similar. I married a baptized non-believer, who I always held out hope would eventually come to know Christ. He never opposed baptizing the kids or raising them as Christians, though once we were married, his ‘I don’t not believe’ turned to ‘I don’t believe’. Long story short, we are divorced and when I entered the Church last year, I wanted to educate the kids in the Catholic faith. He was adamantly opposed, and tries to indoctrinate the kids against Catholicism. This surely doesn’t make the kids open to my discussions about faith. In the very beginning, they would say to me, ‘You can’t make me believe anything.’ I don’t want to ‘make them’ believe anything.

It was very hard, at first, to come to terms with the fact that my children will not be confirmed or receive the Sacraments unless and until they are adults and choose to go through the process themselves. But, the best I can do right now is to share my faith with them, to take them to church when I can, and to expose them to other Christian ministries when possible. Other than that, I pray. I pray every day for their conversion. Your husband may have to do the same. (Though I will say that the fact that the children are baptized is of much comfort to me.)

But what I was going to suggest, and forgot to mention - what If you present a variety of different faiths to the children? (Including Catholicism, of course) It can’t hurt to have that information so that, one day, when they are old enough to make their own decisions, they will have a basis of knowledge from which to draw.
Well, for Catholicism, I just generally disagree with a lot of the positions the church takes on things like gay marriage, abortion, women, and so on and Christianity has always seemed like a really weird system to me, but that could be because I wasn’t raised with it. For religion in general, I could go on about why it bothers me, but the short version is just that it seems to be one more thing people use to berate, control, and abuse each other. The only thing they all seem to agree on it is that everyone else is wrong and that if you don’t do things their specific way, bad things will happen to you. That’s sort of what worries me most about my husband going back to the church, because my parents were cool with their religious differences until I came along and then suddenly they both wanted to raise me in their respective traditions and they fought about it a lot when I was kid. I don’t want something similar to happen with my kid, but I don’t want to have to pretend like I agree with my husband’s religion for the sake of our son either.
Oddly enough, someone above suggested Rome Sweet Home for reading material and my husband came home with a copy of it yesterday, so I will probably read that and go from there.
I talked to him about it a bit last night and I think we’ve reached a temporary compromise, though. We’ll make an appointment to talk to his priest about validating the marriage, but no baptism for the foreseeable future and he has to tell his parents to bud out on that score. Also, we’ll make a trial run to Mass next week. If it’s not too weird or too difficult to manage with our son and if he stops pestering me about it during the week, then we’ll go as a family at least a couple times a month and in exchange he’ll babysit for a couple hours every other week so I can get out of the house by myself for a little bit. As for the contraception thing, I’m going to look into NFP, but I’m skeptical. It sounds like a lot of work to keep up with.
It sounds like you have a very strong marriage, and I think you will be able to work through this. I will pray for you. 😉
 
I’m shocked at the several posts saying things like “if you don’t believe in baptism, what’s the harm of having a priest pour a little water over his head and then having a lot of women around oohing and ahhing about his cute outfit”

HUH!

Do you understand what a Catholic baptism IS? Anyone who does cannot truly encourage anyone to take it lightly. It leaves an indelible mark on the soul. If one is baptized in the Catholic Church they are considered a consecrated member, even if they do not practice the faith, or turn away from the faith.

By consenting to have her son baptized she is consenting/promising to have him raised in the faith and teach him nothing that conflicts with it.

Similarly, saying that since she doesn’t believe, covalidating the marriage should be no big deal…well it IS a big deal, were it not, there would be no point in doing it at all!

The Catholic Church has never held that these things are only valid if you “believe” them, they either are or are not no matter what an individual believes about them.

Suggesting that someone on the outside take any of these thing lightly does no honor to the faith. Would you like her to someday teach her son “eh, just do it to make your dad happy, it doesn’t really MEAN anything”

To the OP, if she is still reading. Here is a thought. Catholics believe that the Real Presence of Christ is in the Eucharist body/bread, blood/wine. Have you ever attended an Adoration ceremony, or visited an Adoration Chapel. There the Holy Body of Christ is present in the monstrance for people to come and adore.

Since you have an open mind and are open to a sign, perhaps spending time praying or even just sitting in openess before the Blessed Sacrament in Adoration would prove telling. Being in the presence of Christ seems to me to be a fine way of finding out how one feels.

Catholicism is a very serious faith. Once one is baptized they are never “not Catholic”, even if they disavow the faith publicly. If one is married or covalidated then they are married forever, and divorce is not an option. Those are important things to understand and internalize, and should never be done to make a spouse happy.
 
They’re not going to be jailed or burned at the stake? Oh, what a relief!

I agree with you that the Church has no authority that would affect these children in a practical manner. That said, I frequently read posts on CAF where someone takes the position that “baptism leaves an indelible mark on the soul” and that “once baptized you are Catholic whether you like it or not.” They then go on to make the argument that this baptized person is subject to Canon law. In the OP’s case, if she agrees to having the children baptized, Dad is very likely going to insist that they attend weekly Mass, receive all the sacraments, etc., because they are Catholic. When these children reach the age where they get married, Dad is going to tell them that unless they get married in accordance with the laws of the Church, they will be “attempting” marriage in an invalid manner. I suspect the OP is wary of the proverbial “slippery slope” that she’ll be starting down if she agrees to baptism.

Finally, given the OP’s lack of belief, she may regard participating in a baptism as being dishonest.
Non-Canon lawyers are certainly free to exercise their opinion; and too often, their opinion and $2.25 will get them somewhere on the local transit.

As to dishonesty - she said she is an agnostic, not an atheist, there should not be a problem as an agnostic is one who does not know, as opposed to an atheist, who posits there (absolutely) is no God. Even an honest atheist (that is not one who has an agenda against the Church) should not mind; even more so an agnostic, whose position should be “I don’t know”.

There are lots worse things one could do on a Sunday morning. Likewise, being married in the Church.
 
I’m shocked at the several posts saying things like “if you don’t believe in baptism, what’s the harm of having a priest pour a little water over his head and then having a lot of women around oohing and ahhing about his cute outfit”

HUH!

Do you understand what a Catholic baptism IS? Anyone who does cannot truly encourage anyone to take it lightly. It leaves an indelible mark on the soul. If one is baptized in the Catholic Church they are considered a consecrated member, even if they do not practice the faith, or turn away from the faith.

By consenting to have her son baptized she is consenting/promising to have him raised in the faith and teach him nothing that conflicts with it.

Similarly, saying that since she doesn’t believe, covalidating the marriage should be no big deal…well it IS a big deal, were it not, there would be no point in doing it at all!

The Catholic Church has never held that these things are only valid if you “believe” them, they either are or are not no matter what an individual believes about them.

Suggesting that someone on the outside take any of these thing lightly does no honor to the faith. Would you like her to someday teach her son “eh, just do it to make your dad happy, it doesn’t really MEAN anything”

To the OP, if she is still reading. Here is a thought. Catholics believe that the Real Presence of Christ is in the Eucharist body/bread, blood/wine. Have you ever attended an Adoration ceremony, or visited an Adoration Chapel. There the Holy Body of Christ is present in the monstrance for people to come and adore.

Since you have an open mind and are open to a sign, perhaps spending time praying or even just sitting in openess before the Blessed Sacrament in Adoration would prove telling. Being in the presence of Christ seems to me to be a fine way of finding out how one feels.

Catholicism is a very serious faith. Once one is baptized they are never “not Catholic”, even if they disavow the faith publicly. If one is married or covalidated then they are married forever, and divorce is not an option. Those are important things to understand and internalize, and should never be done to make a spouse happy.
I really can’t understand why you would be shocked. I was speaking to the OP, who professes to be an agnostic. If she is opposed to baptism, my question (which I will stand by) is, “Why does that bother you?”. If, as she posits, there is no God, then according to her, the procedure should be absolutely meaningless. If it is meaningless, then what harm is there in letting the husband do this?

You may think that you are going to explain theology starting with baptism, and somehow convince her of not only the sanctity, but also the necessity of baptism. The problem is, you are talking to the hand, because the head is not listening.

I have no problem with evangelization; but this is not about evangelization it is about a very practical issue - “My husband wants… and I don’t believe”

so there are two sides to the question. If she is assumed correct (no God) then what is the harm of the ceremony? None. And if she is assumed wrong, what harm is there in the ceremony? None.

Then what is the opposition really based on? This is the first question she needs to answer for herself. From there, a discussion can move forward.

I am not taking the matter lightly; if I was, I could find a different conversation to engage in. You are welcome to try your approach with an agnostic; I prefer to challenge their thinking, and to get them to start asking some very basic questions. As in I prefer to start at a more basic level. Just some basic Jesuit training from over 50 years ago, which I have found to be very effective.

I have found it much more effective to work with someone to discover what their basic issue is, rather than assume that I can skip that point and go onto what to them appears to be a soap box.
 
I really can’t understand why you would be shocked. I was speaking to the OP, who professes to be an agnostic. If she is opposed to baptism, my question (which I will stand by) is, “Why does that bother you?”. If, as she posits, there is no God, then according to her, the procedure should be absolutely meaningless. If it is meaningless, then what harm is there in letting the husband do this?

You may think that you are going to explain theology starting with baptism, and somehow convince her of not only the sanctity, but also the necessity of baptism. The problem is, you are talking to the hand, because the head is not listening.

I have no problem with evangelization; but this is not about evangelization it is about a very practical issue - “My husband wants… and I don’t believe”

so there are two sides to the question. If she is assumed correct (no God) then what is the harm of the ceremony? None. And if she is assumed wrong, what harm is there in the ceremony? None.

Then what is the opposition really based on? This is the first question she needs to answer for herself. From there, a discussion can move forward.

I am not taking the matter lightly; if I was, I could find a different conversation to engage in. You are welcome to try your approach with an agnostic; I prefer to challenge their thinking, and to get them to start asking some very basic questions. As in I prefer to start at a more basic level. Just some basic Jesuit training from over 50 years ago, which I have found to be very effective.

I have found it much more effective to work with someone to discover what their basic issue is, rather than assume that I can skip that point and go onto what to them appears to be a soap box.
OK, so if you married someone, and they converted to Asatru and wanted your child dedicated to one of their gods, would you just go along with it because you didn’t believe in the god and so no harm/no foul, what can it hurt to go along with an empty ritual anyway?

And my shock was at the Catholics here who spoke flippantly about baptism, because it’s the Catholics who taught me that about baptism, and how serious it it, and indellible.

I wasn’t trying to convince the OP. I was addressing the Catholics about their own respect for the sacrament of initiation into their own faith. The OP apparently has more respect for it and it’s meaning than some of the Catholics who suggest she just go along.

I am not Catholic, and there were many people who suggested I just go along and have my kids baptized to make my mom happy, etc. And out of a sense of personal honesty AND respect for the Church’s teachings, I did not do so.

Why start the whole thing with the idea that the sacraments are no big deal? Then wonder why people don’t take the faith and sacraments seriously?

Baptism is not a 30 day free trial, if you don’t like it, you can have your old soul back.

Well, at least I wouldn’t suggest people just play along with ritual of my faith since, hey, they don’t believe in it anyway…what harm can it do?

Is this only about Baptism, or does this follow for the other sacraments too? Because I was of the understanding that non Catholics are NOT allowed to receive communion, belief of lack of belief is not the issue.

Ha ha, a non Catholic defending Catholic sacraments. I am serious about my own faith and respect the integrity of others.
 
My post was addressing what appeared to me to be Catholics suggesting she allow her child to be baptized suggesting it shouldn’t matter to her since she didn’t believe in God.

If they are only using that to start an 'aha…so you MUST believe in God or you would go along with it!" discussion…it may be a jumping off point, but it does give the impression that Catholics don’t take baptism very seriously, which I know is not the case.

I wasn’t addressing the OP at all, nor interested in converting her. I am not Catholic myself, but I did attend Catholic schools and studied the cathechism and respect the Church.

The same suggestion was made to me when my children were born…“hey, go ahead, what can it hurt? If you don’t believe then it doesn’t matter.”

Most Catholics, I would think, would decline to have their child dedicated in another faith they did not believe in just because it would make someone happy, and hey, if they don’t believe in the other faith…then no big deal.

That is nonsense. Agnostics have ethics and respect as well. To have her child initiated into a faith she does not believe in would be dishonest on her part and disrespectful to the Church.

I don’t feel that is a good place to start Evangelism either.
 
My post was addressing what appeared to me to be Catholics suggesting she allow her child to be baptized suggesting it shouldn’t matter to her since she didn’t believe in God.

If they are only using that to start an 'aha…so you MUST believe in God or you would go along with it!" discussion…it may be a jumping off point, but it does give the impression that Catholics don’t take baptism very seriously, which I know is not the case.

I wasn’t addressing the OP at all, nor interested in converting her. I am not Catholic myself, but I did attend Catholic schools and studied the cathechism and respect the Church.

The same suggestion was made to me when my children were born…“hey, go ahead, what can it hurt? If you don’t believe then it doesn’t matter.”

Most Catholics, I would think, would decline to have their child dedicated in another faith they did not believe in just because it would make someone happy, and hey, if they don’t believe in the other faith…then no big deal.

That is nonsense. Agnostics have ethics and respect as well. To have her child initiated into a faith she does not believe in would be dishonest on her part and disrespectful to the Church.

I don’t feel that is a good place to start Evangelism either.
If she felt it dishonest, there would be a dissonance; and that should be explored.
 
Where is the dissonance in declining to have her child initiated into an organization she is not a member of, and who’s beliefs she does not hold as truth?
 
As a marriage grows, it changes whether we want it to or not. You love this man, you have a child with him, you made a vow to him, and even though he has changed one of his core beliefs, shouldn’t he have the freedom to do so? I can understand your not wanting to go to Mass as a non-believer. But have you tried to go and just see what it’s about?

When my husband and I married, I was an active Protestant, he was an active Catholic. Sometimes we’d go to Mass, sometimes we’d go to Worship, sometimes he’d go and I’d skip. But once our first son was born, I wanted him to have something more than just this life. I wanted him to know God’s love, that he was a child of God, in whom God was well pleased. I think that’s such a comfort to my kids, that no matter what they go through, there is a pure love that they never have to earn - that they have just because of who they are, because of who created them.

I attended with my son, and it was hard at first. I brought little books and snacks (when he was older), sometimes I nursed him in Mass, and sometimes I’d have to step outside or into the children’s chapel/cry room. But soon he learned that he could be quiet and he always liked the music. When my second was born, it was even harder, but they got used to the rhythms of church, and I liked that we were doing something that was important to my husband as a family. It meant a great deal to him, as I’m sure it would to your husband.

Here’s the twist - when my son was 2-3 and my little one was an infant, I started to teach him some of the prayers, and he was an inquisitive little bugger. He’d ask very insightful questions, and I’d go off and research them if my husband didn’t know. Eventually my husband bought me some books, including Catholicism for Dummies (which is a great book, BTW). As I studied to teach my sons, I prayed for them. And after a few months I felt a deep calling to join the Church - not just for my family, but for me. It wasn’t easy, especially telling my Dad, but it was the right move for me. The day I joined (I didn’t have to go through RCIA) was a beautiful day, and I still carry that picture of the four of us in front of St. Mary in my wallet.

My advice is this - be open and accepting. Consider yielding on the baptism. If it doesn’t mean anything to you but it does to him, then it just might for your child. Consider attending Mass now and then with your child, and see what happens. You don’t have to change your beliefs, but you may want your child to have different options. Maybe the three of you can attend different churches and houses of worship and see if this is something you want for your child?

As for birth control - IUD? I had problems when on hormonal BC before I converted, and since the birth of our second son 8 years ago my husband was adamant that we not have a third, so he uses condoms. I was assured by a priest that in doing so, it was his sin, not mine, that I didn’t have to abstain. Perhaps if you had an IUD, he could seek similar counsel from his priest. Now I’m facing permanent sterilization from endometrial hyperplasia, so it’s about to become a moot point for us. It did cause a lot of strife between the two of us as I wanted to leave it up to God, or at least use NFP, but he refused.

I’ll pray for you - not that you’ll change your mind, but that God may bring peace and harmony to your marriage. You sound like a good, loving wife & mother - I hope that helps guide you. Understanding more about Catholicism may help you understand his side as well.

Take care -
 
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