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mschrank
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The Palestinians are a murderous and hateful people who teach little kids to play suicide bomber. How else would you treat such a wicked society?
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Muzhik
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There has always been a conflict within the Zionist movement between those who see Zionism in a humanist/secular view (Judaism as a culture/ethnic group) and those who see Zionism in a religious view (Jews are the chosen people of G_D called to live in the land He set aside for them). For the longest time the humanist/secular view has been in the majority. In Israel they’re called “non-practicing” or “non-observant” Jews.
In recent years, there’s been an explosive growth in the number of religious Jews. This is causing a major culture clash within Israeli society. Many of the kibbutz (communal farms) had been started by non-observant Jews, but they’re finding many of their new members and a great many of their children are becoming observant. Last week, at one kibbutz, people woke to find the Chanukah menorah had been torn down, not by some Palestinian, but by the non-observant head of the kibbutz. He was worried about the growing religious trend within the kibbutz.
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bones_IV
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But some of them are Christians no? Not to mention that the Muslims over there want Jihad! They won’t stop until everyone’s converted.
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Muzhik
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Not the Cretaceous Era, just the Iron Age. And soon the Judge will come and get things sorted out. My guess is that He’ll rule in favor of the Landlord, since They’re related.
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mschrank
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Yeah especially since the Kibbutz movement was founded by secular socialists.
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whatevergirl
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In the article, it points out that if Israel is seen as exclusively a ‘Jewish state’ then Palestinian refugees would not be allowed to return there. So, is Israel showing thie definition in its actions? (to mean that they would exclude people from living there who are not Jewish?) I will say that at one point in time, the USA was founded on ‘Christian principles,’ yet we have always been open to all cultures…which makes it a very appealing place to reside.
My question is…is it literal or figurative, that Israel considers itself a Jewish state? Are we splitting hairs…Jewish can mean culture, and it can also mean religion. Jesus was a Jew, for example.
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lukewarm
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“Jewish state”, “chosen people of God”… No Judaism isn’t racist or supremicist at all,
they just want their country to be an explicitly one religion state over all otehrs, and claim God loves and prefers them more over every other human on Earth.
Let’s make America a “Christian state”? How would the Jews living here feel about that? They’ve already effectively removed Christ from Christmas and replaced it with Hannukah or Channukah which was basically made larger than life a couple generations ago to spoil the real reason for the season. From my sons public school he brings home dradels, minoras etc… not once have I seen a Cross or the word Christmas in any crafts he brings home. Literally everything of this season he brings home is Jewish related. A minora represents a religious event, why is that O.K. but a public nativity and cross gets fought against?
Any favor God had with the Jews died when they crucified his son, now all believers in Christ are the chosen people of God, Jews are people stuck in a tribal world view where God loves them above everyone else because they are “more righteous” and simply “better”. But they’re clining to a savior or even another prophet that will never come.
God has zippo to do with the modern state of Israel. God would not support a “Jewish state” that promotes homosexuality, abortion, etc… Israel is as secular as you can get. A bunch of secular white/Russian/European Jews living on land that doesn’t belong to them at all. I’m Irish would it be fair for me to return to Ireland and kick out a Scottsman whose family lived there since the 1500’s? Of course not. Would it be fair if a Native American threw my wife and I in the street and took up in my home? Of course not…
they just want their country to be an explicitly one religion state over all otehrs, and claim God loves and prefers them more over every other human on Earth.Let’s make America a “Christian state”? How would the Jews living here feel about that? They’ve already effectively removed Christ from Christmas and replaced it with Hannukah or Channukah which was basically made larger than life a couple generations ago to spoil the real reason for the season. From my sons public school he brings home dradels, minoras etc… not once have I seen a Cross or the word Christmas in any crafts he brings home. Literally everything of this season he brings home is Jewish related. A minora represents a religious event, why is that O.K. but a public nativity and cross gets fought against?
Any favor God had with the Jews died when they crucified his son, now all believers in Christ are the chosen people of God, Jews are people stuck in a tribal world view where God loves them above everyone else because they are “more righteous” and simply “better”. But they’re clining to a savior or even another prophet that will never come.
God has zippo to do with the modern state of Israel. God would not support a “Jewish state” that promotes homosexuality, abortion, etc… Israel is as secular as you can get. A bunch of secular white/Russian/European Jews living on land that doesn’t belong to them at all. I’m Irish would it be fair for me to return to Ireland and kick out a Scottsman whose family lived there since the 1500’s? Of course not. Would it be fair if a Native American threw my wife and I in the street and took up in my home? Of course not…
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wifeandmomoftwo
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The problem is that your version of history, while it may be accurate in your eyes and from your telling may not ring completely true to another.
So you equate Palestinians with crack addicts?
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wifeandmomoftwo
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Thank you.
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wifeandmomoftwo
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WG-In the article, it points out that if Israel is seen as exclusively a ‘Jewish state’ then Palestinian refugees would not be allowed to return there. So, is Israel showing thie definition in its actions? (to mean that they would exclude people from living there who are not Jewish?) I will say that at one point in time, the USA was founded on ‘Christian principles,’ yet we have always been open to all cultures…which makes it a very appealing place to reside.
My question is…is it literal or figurative, that Israel considers itself a Jewish state? Are we splitting hairs…Jewish can mean culture, and it can also mean religion. Jesus was a Jew, for example.
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*The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, signed on 14 May 1948 by members of the National Council representing the Jewish community in the country and the Zionist movement abroad, constitutes the nation’s credo. Included therein are the historical imperatives of Israel’s rebirth; the framework for a democratic Jewish state founded on liberty, justice and peace, as envisaged by the biblical prophets; and a call for peaceful relations with the neighboring Arab states for the benefit of the entire region.
Eretz Israel (the Land of Israel) was the birthplace of the Jewish people. Here their spiritual, religious and political identity was shaped. Here they first attained statehood, created cultural values of national and universal significance and gave to the world the eternal Book of Books.
…Jews strove in every successive generation to reestablish themselves in their ancient homeland. …they made deserts bloom, revived the Hebrew language, built villages and towns, and created a thriving community, controlling its own economy and culture, loving peace but knowing how to defend itself…
The State of Israel will be open for Jewish immigration… will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
We extend our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land.*
mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/State/The+State.htm
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Muzhik
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Come to think of it, yes, Palestinians are the crack addicts of the middle east. Look at what happened in Gaza: The Israelis pull out, and the Palestinian’s first action is to destroy the synagogues. There was talk about building schools on those locations; instead, they’re used as launch pads for the missiles being sent into Israel.
Then the PA starts making noises about building the commercial infrastructure of Gaza to provide jobs, if only the world would give them the money to do it. The money comes in, but instead of building up Gaza and the West Bank, it mysteriously disappears and instead there’s a turf war between Hamas and Fatah. Thousands of bullets are exchanged, civilians are terrorized, and Hamas members throw Fatah leaders off the tops of buildings to see how high they bounce.
Now the leaders of the PA (both Fatah and Hamas) control their 'hoods, live in the big houses, and drive the big cars (which somehow always seem to have petrol, even though the sources have been cut off), while their friends and relatives work the streets to ensure that those that are on top stay on top. International aid is still coming in, yet for some reason roads aren’t getting rebuilt and schools aren’t being reopened – yet there’s plenty of ammo to go around.
And you wonder why the Israelis aren’t really happy to have them as neighbors?
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mschrank
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Yeah. Even the other arabs don’t want them. Look at Black September.
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Muzhik
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Brockmac, you’re right.
What I think the Latin Patriarch should do is work with Palestinian believers, Israeli Christians, and Messianic Jews in Israel to develop a way to acknowledge and confirm the belief in Christ Jesus that all these groups proclaim. Once that happens, then work can begin to allow Christianity to build a bridge between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Key to this is convincing the Israeli leadership to consider Christians as friends of Israel and not as their enemies.
I strongly recommend two books by Brother Andrew and Al Janssen: “Light Force: A Stirring Account of the Church Caught in the Middle East Crossfire” and “Secret Believers: What Happens When Muslims Believe in Christ”. In “Light Force”, Brother Andrew describes his efforts over 20 years to bring believers on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian divide together to be a force for peace in the area. In “Secret Believers”, he describes the trials faced by MBBs – Muslim-Based Believers – in the region and how they hold the hope to renewing the Church in the land where it was born.
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Muzhik
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Mschrank,
You can see this in Genesis 16, which describes the child of Abraham that will come out of his maid-servant Hagar: Ishmael. According to the Angel of the Lord, Ishmael “is to be a wild *** among men; his hand shall be against every man, every man’s hand shall be against him,and he shall dwell over against his brother.” In other words, Ishmael (and his descendents) will untamed and agressive against everyone, everyone will return the agression, and he will always live in a state of hostility towards his brother Isaac, out of whose line will come the Israelites.
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RomanCrusader
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Israel is a racist and tyrannical nation that has no problem killing thousands of civilians or backstabbing its allies (read up on the attack on the USS Liberty, where Israel murdered innocent American sailors). Israel expells Christians from their homes, and they often expell gentiles from the country just for being gentiles. Israel creates racist laws stating gentiles cannot mix with Jews (for example, Chinese workers were banned under pain of expulsion from dating/sleeping with Israeli women). How much more racist can one get?
The Palestinians on the other hand support terrorism and killing innocent civilians as well. On one tragic occasion the Palestinians slit a 10 year old Israeli girls throat. I don’t think the IDF have done anything like that even. The Palestinians are barbarians who behave like evil demon-possessed animals.
Both sides are utterly savage and both persecute Christians.
The Palestinians on the other hand support terrorism and killing innocent civilians as well. On one tragic occasion the Palestinians slit a 10 year old Israeli girls throat. I don’t think the IDF have done anything like that even. The Palestinians are barbarians who behave like evil demon-possessed animals.
Both sides are utterly savage and both persecute Christians.
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planter654
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Thank you God Bless
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pnewton
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AN interesting analogy. In fact, Jesus used it in a parable. The tenants murderered the Landlord’s son. The landlord did not rule in favor of the tenants.Not the Cretaceous Era, just the Iron Age. And soon the Judge will come and get things sorted out. My guess is that He’ll rule in favor of the Landlord, since They’re related.
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