Catholic marrying a non believer

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He is a very nice young man
He really thought BF was a great guy and they got along well.
I trust their judgment.
I think she’s been hoping all along that he would change but is now realizing that he may not.
No one said it would be so quick or easy. Love is never easy, and so too a marriage is not easy. How to go about it the best way possible, pragmatic and catholic, is the question at this point. A catholic is supposed to handle himself in these situations. [A secularized person can be an easier case to deal with than a person of another religion.]
 
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However, he has yet to read the book ( to show you, subtly, who’s boss, by not making effort )
and has stated - that he doesn’t think anything - will change his mind ( yeah, thanks for the heads up, sir)

He is not baptized. ( that’s good detective work ! )
He comes from a divorced family. ( apple doesn’t fall far from tree ?)

His family - does not - believe. ( sad, they don’t believe in the power and sweetness of prayer )
I don’t know about grandparents.
You have added some interesting puzzle pieces.
Your son is blessed and fortunate to had only been 3 years in drug insanity !
I’m not sure if your son, liking your daughter’s BF is a positive sign -
it could be - that your son - admires ‘some qualities’ - he never had, himself -
but your son - marrying a Christian gal - is much stronger…than say, if she was an unbeliever.
You - sound like a great mom 😇
 
He sounds like a good man. Why do you think he has a heart of stone?

The more I am reading in this thread, the more I am thinking this may be more your issue than hers.
If you yourself are not a Catholic, I don’t think you really understand the issue here, or how a parent might feel about it.

Parents want to see their children happy. The OP has provided enough detail that it sounds like this may really be a quandary for the 27-year-old daughter and not just the parent.

Parents also want to see their child in a marriage that will last. There are some serious questions as to whether the difference in beliefs will create a problem in the marriage later, especially when children come along, and also some questions as to whether a non-believer is really going to take a marriage seriously since he is not vowing before God, it’s basically just a civil union for him if he doesn’t believe.

These are real concerns, and you’re being a bit overly dismissive of them.
 
I think the next question on my mind would be, if this young man is serious, then is he willing to get married in the Church with all that entails, despite his unbelief.

If so, he will likely have to go to a pre-Cana session with daughter that will entail a lot of discussion about God and will go on for one or more days.

I’d also wonder how he is around “Godly things”. Is he generally respectful of your daughter’s faith, or will he be making snide remarks, especially after the initial period of “good behavior” wears off?

There are non-believers who are just fine with all of the above and would be respectful and kind to a believing spouse. There are others who would have certain “rules” (for example, no crucifixes in the house, no discussion of this religious topic or that religious topic) and still others who would be annoyed or disrespectful if they had to listen to too much “religious” stuff.

I am hoping/ presuming that this guy is in the “respectful” category since he has become attached to a young woman who believes. But you/ daughter really need to determine where this guy is going to “draw the line” when it comes to religion, and this can be hard to figure out when like I said he is hoping to marry the girl and may be on his best behavior in order to win her, with his “real self” only coming out later after the marriage.

The one good thing about a long engagement or a long pre-marital relationship is that you/ daughter will eventually see the real person, as no one can keep up a facade for years at a time. By the time I married my non-Catholic husband, I had a really good idea of how he would react to Catholicism, Mass, Catholic stuff around the house, Catholic stuff around his family, etc.
 
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Well, I can’t speak for everyone, but a husband who made snide remarks about things dear to me would not last very long…

Mild jokes are okay, but putdowns of the other person not okay, and blasphemy, not okay.

Some of my atheist or agnostic friends can be extremely disrespectful. To them it’s not disrespectful because they don’t believe, so it’s like they are talking about the Easter Bunny or some other completely fictional character. If they have been raised around some religion, or to have respect for others’ beliefs even though they don’t believe, it’s usually different than if they grew up in some household where all religion and all religious things were routinely just mocked.
 
@smos From what you say he only said the vague things men say to women to show they are serious about the relationship. If the actual marriage and children would be discussed your daughter may know a little bit more about his attitude towards her religion. But this is how modern relationships develop, marriage is just an option and a “no-no” as a discussion in a couple, unless he already asked her to marry him. On the upside for you, if your daughter has any sort of rational doubts about her boyfriend then is unlikely that she is in the blind-folded-I-am-in-love state when the significant other simply has no flaws in one’s eyes. I am sure since she is so anxious about his religions comments that should something overtly anti-Catholic will be said by him the relationship might just end. To get things clear I would not hide my religion from by bf if I was her. Not to be obnoxious or try to evangelize him but to figure out if this difference in perception is a big thing or is possible to become a big thing one day. Maybe out of love for her he is not telling her all he thinks about faith in general but deep down inside he may be a convinced atheist and wish to raise his kids atheist or have no kids at all.
Or… does he belong to another religion?

For problems in marriage and relationships I heard we should pray to: Arch. Gabriel, St. Anne and Joseph (parents of Virgin Mary), St. Joseph (fiancee of Virgin Mary).
Your daughter is in my thoughts and prayers 🙏🙏🙏
 
Having been in a similar relationship for over two years when I was younger, I would say your daughter is in an entanglement, rather than in a relationship. I too thought it was a positive step when my boyfriend went to Church with me, but it is not indicative of anything. He also had divorced parents, like your daughter’s boyfriend.

I think the problem is a lack of courage on your daughter’s part. She knows she needs the relationship to end but doesn’t have the courage to end it. Anything you can do to increase her overall faith would help in that direction.

If I were in your shoes, I’d take your daughter to Europe for four weeks without a cell phone.
 
As of this week, he hasn’t opened the book yet. He said he is open to reading it but doesn’t think it will change his mind. My son is a pretty radical christian, and studies a lot from Francis Chan and Ravi Zacharias. He chose the book “Jesus among other Gods”, because it breaks down the arguments of the secular “gods” of modern society; mainly atheism, relativism, scientism, pluralism, humanism, and hedonism. BF is a science/math crazy smart kind of guy, was going to be a doctor before deciding not to pursue that path. The book speaks to the barriers to christianity that he may have.

I’m off to Amazon now checking out your book suggestions. Thank you!
 
May I make a suggestion?

Leave him alone on the subject for a while. Let him decide how and when he wants to approach it. You can’t force someone to believe anything. He’s been given a tool; he’ll choose how best to utilize it.

Give him a bit of space.
 
I think the problem is a lack of courage on your daughter’s part. She knows she needs the relationship to end but doesn’t have the courage to end it. Anything you can do to increase her overall faith would help in that direction.
I think you hit the nail on the head. She’s always struggled with conflict and puts off the uncomfortable.
If I were in your shoes, I’d take your daughter to Europe for four weeks without a cell phone.
Love it!!!
 
I do understand why you want to give him books, but it’s not really your place and you don’t know if he’s actually interested. I agree with Pup, back off for a while. Take your daughter’s lead.
 
These are real concerns, and you’re being a bit overly dismissive of them.
I don’t think I am being dismissive. My own child is the same age as OP’s and just got married earlier this year. Wanting your kids to be happy and their marriage to last are universal wishes for all good parents. I get it. I just think, given the age of the woman involved, the OP seems to be too involved in these intimate issues between her daughter and the BF. Obviously, if daughter is drawing mother into the “quandry”, that is a problem in and of itself. If mom is angling for BF to change an integral part of himself (non-believer to believer), that is also a problem. I just see dysfunction written all over the situation as it was presented, mainly because it seems like there may be boundary issues. Easy enough to fix, though. That is the good part.
 
I just see dysfunction written all over the situation as it was presented, mainly because it seems like there may be boundary issues.
Again, there is nothing in this person’s thread that suggests “dysfunction”. In fact, the more details presented by the parent here, it appears to be quite the opposite.

I hope you don’t see “dysfunction” every time a parent is involved in or concerned with an adult child’s life. Some kids are grateful for their parents’ concern. Also, if you see your child seems upset and isn’t sure how to handle it, it’s natural to want to help, regardless of whether the child is 7, 27, or 57.

Unfortunately I see a pattern in your posts of almost constant criticism of anyone expressing a concern about the Catholic church relative to non-Catholics. Maybe you aren’t aware of this, but it’s really coming across when you call this reasonable sounding parent’s situation “dysfunction”. If you can’t see it from the other person’s perspective once in a while, and by “other person” I mean the Catholic perspective, then please at least be kind and less judgmental than calling it “dysfunction”.
 
Obviously, if daughter is drawing mother into the “quandry”, that is a problem in and of itself. If mom is angling for BF to change an integral part of himself (non-believer to believer), that is also a problem.
My thoughts exactly. If one of my boys were to come to me with such a problem, I would tell him that he is a big boy now and he’ll have to figure that out for himself. That’s what being a grown-up means.

And yes, I get the feeling that mom here is a little to involved. Too close for comfort. Detach and let the daughter figure it out for herself. She’s a 27-year-old law school grad.

The only advice I would give her is for her to make up her mind and not string the boy along. That would be wasting his time which could be better spent looking for a more realistic mate, and the same with her. Waffling isn’t going to help anything.
 
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Obviously, if daughter is drawing mother into the “quandry”, that is a problem in and of itself.
I have never broached the subject with my daughter, outside of when she was first telling me about him, the things they do together, and I asked if he goes to church with her. That’s the first time she broke down about the subject and I didn’t pursue any more information, as I knew it upset her. I have never brought this up. She has also confided in her brother about her angst and cried on his shoulder more than once. Like I said, it’s the elephant in the room and we don’t want him to feel uncomfortable or make her feel sad, so no one in the family has been bringing it up or being pushy. That does not mean however, that we are not concerned.

I am on this forum to get advice as it has become abundantly clear that she is unsettled in a relationship that continues to move forward. I was looking for guidance from others who may have similar experiences, so that if she continues to come to us for comfort, that we will have the right things to say to her that will enable her to make good choices. As a Catholic, I view life through that lens of faith and was hoping that by coming to this forum, I would get advice from people that approach life in a similar way.
 
I understand. Sometimes these things really do resolve themselves in time. I hope the best for you and your family with regards to all of this. These can be tricky issues.
 
I hope you don’t see “dysfunction” every time a parent is involved in or concerned with an adult child’s life
Not at all. I see dysfunction when, despite best efforts, things don’t go well as a result of human behavior. It can be, and usually is, a very natural thing. Also, more often than not in my experience, it is something that can be easily corrected with adjustments. That is all. I am sorry you felt my post is critical. I am a critical thinker by nature, which means I am a pretty good problem solver. Sometimes I am more comfortable with the unpleasantness of life than most, and I am sure it conveys sometimes in unintended ways. Again, my apologies if you find me offensive. Not my intent at all. Most of what I have learned is through experience, when it comes to these issues, so I try to share to spare others some of the heartburn I have lived through (like all of us do).
 
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so that if she continues to come to us for comfort
If you keep giving her “comfort”, she’s just going to keep coming back for more, like an addict or a kid who has never been weened.

If you keep giving her advice and helping her make the right decision, she’ll never learn to do so for herself, and end up being a mental cripple.

While you might find it flattering that she comes to you, it appears to me that she is using you to avoid taking responsibility for her own actions. If things don’t work out, don’t be surprised if she dumps all the blame on you for “ruining her life”.

You seem to be uncomfortable with the idea that she is going to end up making a mistake. Mistakes can be powerful teaching experiences. If she doesn’t make mistakes and clean up her own messes, she’s never going to learn.
 
I do understand why you want to give him books, but it’s not really your place and you don’t know if he’s actually interested. I agree with Pup, back off for a while. Take your daughter’s lead.
I didn’t give him the book, as I’m as passive as my daughter. My son did as he is concerned for his sister and is he is very intentional and bold in his faith. I won’t be giving any books away and my involvement in the relationship is confined to seeking advice on this forum and praying about it, in the event that my daughter comes to me for advice again.
 
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