Catholic nurse forced to participate in abortion, lawsuit filed

[Neil_Anthony]

They may be excommunicated, but they are still Catholic. Excommunication does not remove the seal of baptism.

Excommunication, by definition, removes someone from the Church. That’s what it means - removed from communion with the Church.

I’m not justifying anything.

I’m saying that it is force when someone is facing the loss of their job for not doing abortions.

It may be “force” by some definition of the word, but its not the kind of force that would ordinarily remove one’s culpability for engaging in murder.

If we have to choose between our careers and killing people, we all need to give up our careers even if it means getting a menial low-paying job. Would you agree with that?

The poor lady in this situation described here didn’t have much time to think about it. But I’m sure if her job started requiring this of her on a regular basis, she would leave the job. I’m sure God forgives her decision made in a hurry, but when we have time to stop and think, we need to be ready to put our faith first, and obey God before we obey our boss.

 

[SwingCorey]

What do you think will happen? How often does it happen right now? If I do not ___________, which is against my faith, then I will lose my job. I need my job.

This is why Pope John Paul II wrote in Evangelium Vitae that it is already happening that there are those who are making a heroic (i.e., Saintly) choice to oppose abortion.

We are in need of modern-day Saints who will be heroes, in the sense that they make the tough choices that go against their own well-being for the sake of others.

 

[SwizzleStick]

"Nurse forced to participate in abortion speaks out

New York City, N.Y., Jul 28, 2009 / 05:12 am (CNA).- “It felt like a horror film unfolding,” said Catherina Cenzon-DeCarlo, the Brooklyn nurse who says she was forced to aid an abortion against her will. Now Cenzon-DeCarlo is speaking out, describing the terror she felt as she was asked to sacrifice her religious convictions for the sake of her job."…

Full article here: catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=16679

 

[BobCatholic]

Excommunication, by definition, removes someone from the Church. That’s what it means - removed from communion with the Church.

Excommunication does not remove the seal of baptism, so they’re still in the Body of Christ which the Church says subsists in the Catholic Church. Excommunication basically blocks access to the sacraments (except confession, to lift the excommunication).

Excommunication is like sending a kid to the corner until he repents, and in the meantime he’s grounded (barred from sacraments) and blocked from the table (eucharist). They’re still in the house, but grounded.

In order for someone to leave the Catholic Church they must write a letter to their bishop and have the bishop approve this. Excommunication is imposed only on members of the Church. You’ll notice that cradle protestants are not excommunicated - yet they’re not in the Church. .

It may be “force” by some definition of the word,

And that’s my point.

 

[Arwen037]

I think the nurse was forced. In the moment decision between losing, not just your job, but possibly your career or help in an abortion. You’re not even sure how you are in this position. People can do stupid things when under pressure and not thinking right. She might have made a different decision if she had time to actually think about the situation. And also, she didn’t take a job that required her to perform abortions. They illegally changed the rules in the middle.

 

[pnewton]

It may be “force” by some definition of the word, but its not the kind of force that would ordinarily remove one’s culpability for engaging in murder.

While it may not remove culpability, it might reduce it. Mortal sin requires full consent of the will. In any case, such judgement is beyond what we can do toward each, except in theory.

 

[Angel_Face]

As a Catholic and a nurse who was awarded with the “Maternity Award” at her Nursing Class Graduation, I had a hard time deciding rather or not to pursue a career on the “OB/GYN” floor of the hospital I was to be employed at. The Chief OB/GYN Physician wanted me on his floor, but for this exact reason I was afraid to commit to accepting the position. I WOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN ABORTIONS!! NO WAY!!! Being afraid there would come a time when I would have to assist in some emergency situation, even though they said that would not happen, made me uneasy. That is why I choose my career in another nursing department in the hospital.
I do feel very sorry for this nurse. I just could not place myself in a situation that was against my believes, my Faith!
GOD BLESS US ALL!!!:heaven:

 

[Militant_Ellen]

We can’t go “under ground"on this one!
I won’t go under ground on lesser issues
This is only the beginning of direct assaults on pro-life proffessionals.
I pray we don’t kid ourselves into thinking,we’ll live to fight another day.
I may have to leave a position I now hold ( a” free standing",out patient surgical unit) because my employers may be considering
doing strictly elective"sterilization" procedures.
I didn’t "sign up"for that.
I asked my manager if that’s whats being “considered”,she said No,but skirted around the subject of
helping women with “reproductive” problems!
Big RED flag!
I am forewarned as to what may be coming.
I will be "outed"if it comes to “fruition”.

 

[Angel_Face]

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I don’t understand this world any more! I wonder how much more God can/will take from this cruel, hard, self-centered, unloving world we live in.
I’m sorry to hear about your new situation, Ellen! My heart and prayers go out for so many that want to do the right things in life and are pushed to the side.
GOD HELP US ALL!!! I can only think of one thing to do … pray and pray and never stop!

 

[Shaken]

I think the law should make hospitals maintain the life of any fetal victim of abortion who survives the procedure.

 

[Supercatholic]

My heart really goes out to this nurse who was forced to participate in this abortion. It’s easy to say “If I was in that position I would have quit my job.” Really? Could you? The one thing many people seem to overlook is the fact that if you’re told you do not have to participate in an abortion nearly five years ago, then suddenly one day you’re told “participate or get fired”, the shock that overcomes you can only be understood by people going through a similar circumstance. I hope her case goes public and she describes to the public the detailed horror of what she had to witness. Maybe this will wake some people up. Don’t condemn this poor nurse for this tragic situation. Instead we should condemn the mother if this was her free choice, the doctor in charge, and our goverment for moving this practice into establishments that are supposed to save lives. I think the nurse should send photos of the dismantled baby to the mother.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

"Catholic nurse forced to participate in abortion, lawsuit filed

New York City, N.Y., Jul 23, 2009 / 06:05 am (CNA).- The Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) has filed a lawsuit on behalf of a Catholic nurse who was forced to participate in an abortion, despite voicing her moral objections."…

Entire article here: catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=16636

Yeah. What was that about US Bishops supporting ‘universal health care’ again? Is that kind of like ‘the Pope condemns Harry Potter’?

 

[holy_moly]

That is a really scary thought, but I almost wonder if that is the end game of all this. Right now in the health bill that Obama is trying to rush through, there is funding for abortion. They are tyring to force us, as taxpayers, to pay for the killing of our children whether we want to or not. He has already succeeded in Washington, D.C., where the abortion rate is currently 41%. I guess he really wants to kill all of them. In Harlem, here in New York, the abortion capital of the United States, the abortion rate is 60%. Isn’t it interesting that so many of these abortions are minorities? Are these the populations that Justice Ginsberg said “we don’t want too many of”?

One priest said to me that Obama will be our first and last black president because he is going to kill them all. I’m afraid he may be right.

We have to remember to pray for all those in the health care field who are right on the front lines and will be paying the price for standing up for what they believe in. This is the fight agains evil in our time. We have to be supporting each other and praying as much as we can.

Mary

Very ironic indeed that BO favors abortion when 33% of all abortions are of black babies, though blacks comprise just 12% of the population. Over 13 million abortions of blacks since R v. W…

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

www.stoptheabortionmandate.com

For those serious about wanting to know what we can do, click on the above link and follow the instructions, it is easy and with just a few clicks of your mouse, you can be on the page to fill out the forms and let your Senators and Congressmen know how you feel about this, do it now.

I did that—also will be writing letters to the editor. Thanks.

 

[sharmin]

As a Catholic and a nurse who was awarded with the “Maternity Award” at her Nursing Class Graduation, I had a hard time deciding rather or not to pursue a career on the “OB/GYN” floor of the hospital I was to be employed at. The Chief OB/GYN Physician wanted me on his floor, but for this exact reason I was afraid to commit to accepting the position. I WOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN ABORTIONS!! NO WAY!!! Being afraid there would come a time when I would have to assist in some emergency situation, even though they said that would not happen, made me uneasy. That is why I choose my career in another nursing department in the hospital.
I do feel very sorry for this nurse. I just could not place myself in a situation that was against my believes, my Faith!
GOD BLESS US ALL!!!:heaven:

I think you made the right choice. I think this woman should have done the same.

I am prolife and fight for pro life causes, but while abortion is legal in this country, people who work in hospitals that allow aboritons (non Catholic) should consider the fact that they may be asked to participate…especially if it’s difficult to find another nurse/doctor to do so. Women cannot be denied what the law considers a safe and legal procedure because the hospital would be sued and the compaintant would WIN because of the laws of this land. The hospital cannot afford to take that risk.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

You’re wrong Bob. A Catholic can’t kill people just because its his job. You can’t take a job that involves killing people, even if you need the money.

You can if you are a member of the police or the armed forces, both honorable professions. But a nurse or doctor should never be involved in deliberately killing anyone.

 

[libby060]

If the Alliance Defence Fund should win the case it will set a precedent. Pray for the win. For all we know this is all in God’s plan, bad happens but a larger good comes out of it.

The Alliance Defence is a marvelous non-profit. They have had many victories against the ACLU and for religious freedom. They survive on donations. Although I don’t follow them closely I know they were originally a Protestant based organization. I really smiled to see they had taken this case. alliancedefensefund.org/main/default.aspx

 

[mlchance]

Yeah. What was that about US Bishops supporting ‘universal health care’ again?

The US bishops do support universal access to health care. What they don’t support – indeed, cannot support and still comply with Catholic teaching – is Obamacare. Of course, that is a distinction that the Obamapologists don’t want advertised.

Regarding the thread, so much for conscience clauses and protecting people’s beliefs. Could it be the fruit of yet another Obama Administration falsehood?

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Angel_Face]

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Thank you Sharmin! I appreciate your support. I am very happy of my decision NOT to work on the GYN/OB Floor because it included the Delivery Room, and I knew not every women went in there for a delivery … abortions would be performed and I couldn’t be apart of it.
I still feel tremendous pain for this nurse! I believe we really need to take a long look at the new Obama Administration and do all we can to stop such devastating actions as ABORTION! I can not begin to conceive how any one can say this is not a human being that they are destroying!!!
The only other thing I can think of is for us to all get down on our knees and pray, pray, pray! GOD be with us!

 

[johngh]

My heart really goes out to this nurse who was forced to participate in this abortion. It’s easy to say “If I was in that position I would have quit my job.” Really? Could you? The one thing many people seem to overlook is the fact that if you’re told you do not have to participate in an abortion nearly five years ago, then suddenly one day you’re told “participate or get fired”, the shock that overcomes you can only be understood by people going through a similar circumstance. I hope her case goes public and she describes to the public the detailed horror of what she had to witness. Maybe this will wake some people up. Don’t condemn this poor nurse for this tragic situation. Instead we should condemn the mother if this was her free choice, the doctor in charge, and our goverment for moving this practice into establishments that are supposed to save lives. I think the nurse should send photos of the dismantled baby to the mother.

We cannot take all blame away from this nurse. Humanity will never get any better unless there are people that are willing to lose their jobs (and worse) in order to stand up for what’s right. God never tempts us beyond our ability to resist, which means that when you do something wrong it is wrong. Yes being pressured makes it more understandable, but it would be disastrous for us to start taking all blame away from people doing bad things just because they were put in bad situations. We are called to be better than that.