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Isa_Almisry
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Except blessing them.Dear peary,
That has already been pointed out. The reason it should not be discussed is because we are talking here about actions initiated by ecclesiastical authorities, not secular powers.
There is no conjecture about the matter of the imposition of the Latin rite on Greeks in Sicily and southern Italy. The Pope was being held prisoner by the invading Normans. He was in no position to do anything about what these Latin-rite invaders did.
I thought caesaro-papism was only something we did.
Ah, but the council of Toledo XVIII (yep, same birthplace of the filioque) accepted the Council of Trullo way off in Spain.Something which had come to my attention only in the past week is the fact that there was generally more freedom regarding Liturgies in the Western patriarchate than in the Eastern patriarchates. The Easterns since the Council of Trullo had demonstrated their opposition to diversity in Tradition, when they attempted to enforce their practices and disciplines on Latins, Armenians, and North Africans. Thankfully, the Pope rejected the Council of Trullo.
The Archbishop of Gortyna in Crete added to his signature the phrase “Holding the place of the holy Church of Rome in every synod.” He had in the same way signed the decrees of the Sixth Ecumenical Council Constantinople III (which also met in Trullo), Crete belonging to the Roman Patriarchate
Pope Hadrian I. distinctly recognizes all the Trullan decrees in his letter to Tenasius of Constantinople and attributes them to the Sixth Ecumenical Council . “All the holy six synods I receive with all their canons, which rightly and divinely were promulgated by them, among which is contained that in which reference is made to a Lamb being pointed to by the Precursor as being found in certain of the venerable images.” Here the reference is unmistakably to the Trullan Canon LXXXII.
The Nicene Fathers series makes the interesting observation:
- That the Easterns have never pretended to impose this code upon the practice of the Western Churches, especially as they themselves do not practise everywhere the hundred and two canons mentioned. All they wished to do was to maintain the ancient discipline against the abuses and evil innovations of the Roman Church, and to make her pause upon the dangerous course in which she was already beginning to enter.
though I have to agree with you that New Rome was as good as Old Rome in imposing its practices.
Funny, I recall seeing the uniformity of the Latin rite being touted as being greatly in its favor, that things were the same throughout the world, including the language. Diversity evidently didn’t become the buzz word until Vatican II.