We could play spin the bottle but can we start with the great apostasy question? Why? Because without proving a great apostasy, all the Joseph Smith tales matter not.
Do you mean the perspective that makes unfounded statments such as the Catholic Church approved of polygamy until 1134? Do you expect people to take you seriously when you make statements such as this and then fail to provide any source for your information? Just what is it that you think we need to learn from you and what is it that you desire to learn from us?
I will answer this before I leave. No I am not going to teach this. Since learning about it from you and other sources that confirm what you were saying, then it would be lying to do so. You know I really believe that most people try to do good. I believe that this is because the light of Christ is given to all mankind. What is sad is when man turns against that light to do evil. I believe that the Catholic church has many good people in it. I have many friends who are Catholic. We have many things in common. I believe that for us to progress the kingdom of God on earth it is going to take all those who believe in doing good. May God bless you all.
You didn’t see my question mark I guess.
That’s what I strive to do. I accept that people of faith do not have the same beliefs. Recognizing that’s just a fact of life on this earth, is why I strive to concentrate on what unites us more than on what divides. No doubt as a child of God but a human, I fail at this myself at times I am sure. In any case may God bless you as well. And His peace be with you always along your journey.
Do you think truth has the effect of “destroying your faith”? Interesting.
Somehow I always end up getting referenced to in the third person.
I’m ok with it, as, I do have some fond memories and most of my family, who I love, are LDS.For somebody who claims to be “skeptical of everything LDS”, I’m sure you can appreciate that your testimony doesn’t demonstrate to us, in any way, the validity of what you’re saying.
I think I hear an ex mormon from Texas getting ready to speak.
If we are going off topic, can I ask for proof of a “great apostasy”? :bigyikes:
How dare you drag levity to this thread.Given that your previous posts in this thread have been used as covert opportunities to advocate same-sex marriage, and that the post in question was nothing more than “Wow 1134? It took a long time.” It’s readily apparent that you picked up fatboys fumble and ran with it. I may very well be wrong, and if I am I’ll graciously apologize, but I think your posting history coupled with the explicit words of your post demonstrate well that the way I read your post is exactly how you intended it to be read.
Remember what I said in an earlier post about the “persecution card”? You just played it.
Fatboy,
All of your words above are admirable and we all assume them to be true. It’s your testimony. I will still assume them to be true.
What I would also share is that every Catholic that has posted on LDS in some way, has a lot of respect and admiration for the LDS love of family and the missionary efforts of the youth. The LDS love of family has strong parallels in the Catholic Church and the world would be much better if Catholic’s had a similar missionary effort.
Sorry I said I was leaving but I do have to respond to this. Why would you presume that I do not care whether or not you believe in Christ? That is again another false statement. I love the fact that you believe in Christ. That you have faith in his life and his purpose for his life on earth. It means something to me to know you have a testimony of him. So I would ask you not to teach something that you do not know. And it does not matter to me that you can not believe I received an answer to my questions about God, Jesus Christ or what I believe to be his kingdom here on earth. May I ask how you know that what you believe is more correct than what I believe?
Someone asked me about marriage. But anyway apology accepted. I would have liked to have seen Fatboy’s source as well. Peace be with you.
Is this a persecution complex carried over from your mormon days?Somehow I always end up getting referenced to in the third person.
I was a Mormon a long time ago. I was taught in Mormon meetings what Mormons now call anti-Mormon.
There is truth going on here. It is what it is. I have no reason to make things up.
I also understand and accept that you believe what you believe. Better that you do than go the way of many Mormons, into atheism.
The alternative is, Christ’s Church never failed. I think that is more of an important consideration than anything Smith could have done. Mormons just seem to accept that Christ failed. I’ll never understand why.
Peace be with you.
They’re going to respond with what is their faith. They have faith and belief that they know. Just as you do about Joseph Smith. They place faith in the Catholic Church’s interpretation of Herself and of Scripture. They place faith in the ECFs and in Catholic interpretaion of history. They don’t really know. They believe they do based on faith. But the truth is no one truly knows with 100% absolute certainty. The only way for anyone to know is to to think and believe they “know” based on their faith.
I have been around long enough on boards to know that if my presence is going to cause problems, contention etc. I certainly do not want to cause that in a place that I do not own and I am a quest. I certainly do not want to disrespect anyone and I love to joke around as well. I am busy and do not spend a lot of time in discussions as I use to. It was like beating my head against the wall trying to explain what I believe to only have it spit on, an disrespected in the most vile and contentious manner. I came here by accident trying to learn about early christians beliefs on polygamy namely the Catholic church. I had read a couple of articles a few years ago that stated that even the catholic church practiced it at one time. This was from non LDS sources I might add. I just accepted it because of the circumstances it said it was lived under. When my relative left the LDS church because of their struggle with polygamy and joined the Catholic church I was trying to find the information about the catholic church and polygamy. I could not find anything about it and thought perhaps I had dreamed it up. I then found this site which was talking about it. It gave me more information on where to look and found that the articles I had read were to general and wrong in some of the facts. I had already told this person about polygamy and had to tell them that the information I had was wrong and corrected it.Fatboy,
We wish you would stay. I’m not sure what to believe about you. You stated
All of your words above are admirable and we all assume them to be true. It’s your testimony. I will still assume them to be true.
To the point of this thread, the Catholic Church never practiced polygamy but you clearly thought it did based on some type of research or facts as you knew them. We assumed that you were going to respond to the sources that you used. But we never received the sources of your research.
My sense is that this discussion evolved into what I think are secondary disputes on JS’s wives…who said what about who (or is that about whom?). I would defer to RebeccaJ’s opinion but for me the two sincere questions that I have, if you are willing to answer are:
What I would also share is that every Catholic that has posted on LDS in some way, has a lot of respect and admiration for the LDS love of family and the missionary efforts of the youth. The LDS love of family has strong parallels in the Catholic Church and the world would be much better if Catholic’s had a similar missionary effort.
- What evidence is there that there was a “Great Apostasy” in the Catholic Church?
- Is there credible evidence that JS was a prophet from God?
I hope you come back and I pray that you will. You say that you are a farmer…where I come from the farmers are tougher than the bulls.
Pork (me) N Pie (my sweet wife)
Catholicism is based on Faith and Reason; Mormonism is not. Catholicism is reasonable while much of Mormonism is irrational.
A Protestant or a Mormon would answer that way, but not a Catholic.
Yes, we all would. Then we could have a reasonable discussion instead of a list of irrational believes about the Catholic Church.
You keep claiming that you are being abused. You are not. You keep being asked questions. You ignore them. You claim the Catholic Church used to permit polygamy. You say you have non-LDS sources. You should tell us what evidence you have.
Like when you claim the Catholic Church practiced polygamy without any proof? You been asked to explain yourself many times but you would rather bear false witness and run.