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LilyM
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And that has precisely nothing to do with whether most of 'em pray more than us during the course of a day or not. :nope:
I’d say a lot of it has to do with whether they have more children on average than we do.
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I’d say a lot of it has to do with whether they have more children on average than we do.
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bobzills
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The priest gave other reasons besides this for converting to Islam.
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swariffin
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Dear Sister,
Does the number of prayers done in a day determine the “religiousness” of a person?
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bobzills
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Why would Muslims have more children than Catholics? Would it have something to do with poor nutrition or that Catholics are not as healthy as Muslims?
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Kaninchen
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Why are Turkey and the Islamic Republic of Iran below ‘replacement rate’?
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dolphinlove
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They might have said Muslims, but lets break down the numbers of Muslim denominations shall we?
If they had the biggest number of one muslim denom, the numbers wouldnt match the Roman Catholic Church.
But if we add all the numbers of the Christians, now lets see, oh yes, we still outnumber them by millions!
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Reuben_J
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You pray FIVE times a days which is really quite a lot but because you are required to do so. Not all Muslims do this though.
You fast during Ramadan from dawn to dusk which is really quite a feat but because you are required to do so. Not all Muslims do this though.
In some countries you may land yourself in your local syariah jail if you’re caught eating during Ramadan, which for some Muslims a strong enough deterant to fast. In any case, you would eat more during the period of the day you are not supposed to fast thus nullify whatever genuine fasting you’ve done.
Frankly I do not see anything special spiritually about such practice. In Catholicism we do fast too during Lent and perform obligatory prayers on Sundays and days of obligation.
I don’t take credit away for people who pray and fast. I admire Muslims for doing that. However, at the end of the day it’s what and how prayer and fasting change your life. Like what have you got to show for it? Your Muslim terrorists who strap bombs around their bodies and blow themselves into smithereens and those Muslim suicides, who crashed jet planes into building killing thousands of innocent lives, perhaps pray and fast more than your average Muslims. So what does that say about the forced doctrine of praying and fasting?
Generally when you are forced to do something, it would not cause much effect and transformation rather than when you do those things with all your hearts.
If the mentioned priest or rather in his case, Catholic of religous order, converted because of the above reasons he saw in Muslims, he was surely misinformed and misunderstood because in reality, Catholic is NOT short of prayer and fasting in its practices and tenets.
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Sam_777
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Not at all, indeed one of my dearest friends was Egyptian, but he went back to Egypt years back when the discrimination at our Saudi’s Universities did not accept him because he was non-Saudi (although he was born here and had 95% mark on his secondary school), and I lost contact with him since then, however, my point was if that priest had to convert to Islam he at least should have come to Makkah in Saudi Arabia to explore Allah’s house and perform Hajj rituals, and since Egypt is not purely 100% Islamic country (there are Muslims, Christians, and Pharaoh’s descendant), thus, that would affect the culture in one way or another, because simply our Muslims extremists don’t accept converters easily, the converters should perform the five pillars of Islam:
-The Testimony of the oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad.
-Performing daily prayers.
-Zakat (support of the needy).
-Fasting.
-The pilgrimage to Makkah.
And perform what is written in Hadith, not just choosing between them.
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MugenOne
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Having spent two years in Saudi Arabia, 99.7% of Muslims pray during salat is totally incorrect. Most Saudi and others escape prayer by driving around town. Muslims do have the tendency to inflate statistical data.
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MugenOne
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Sister Amy is exaggerating a little bit here. It is good to pray, fast, etc… Don’t get me wrong. However, most Saudi Muslims are more likely to spend three hours shopping, eating or hanging than praying. Been there, saw it. If fasting during Ramadan is so great, then why most Saudis gain weight? It’s simply because they all revert to eating at night. It is not just eating, but binge eating. That’s not fasting.
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Booklover
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Booklover
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What’s the good of all the praying and the rituals if your religion preaches hatred against non-Muslims?
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tomshaikh
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Islam teaches that the best prayers are those in your own house, except for the mandatory prayers.
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Salaam Amy,
Well its not right. May be for Women but not for Mens. I think there is some hadith which states that people who pray in the house,to burn there house. Its strick that mens should pray in the mosque. Please Sister Amy if you find that hadiths than post it. Allah tofiq me to pray in the Mosque. Ameen
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tomshaikh
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Well lots of people talking about praying. So let me tell you some scholar point of view towards praying in islam. We do something before starting praying that is called 'Wudhu" which includes cleaning of hands, face, mouth, nose, ear, neck, head and feet. And he mentioned it it helps us to purify ourself. So we perform five times and between those five times all committs some kind of sins(small one) with all part of the body which i mentioned above. And last prayer which is Isha we pray it and sleep without small sins from those parts of the body. Man Prophet Muhammad PHUH is the Last Prophet. He is choosen from Allah/God. When are you going to recognize Him (pbuh). SubhanAllah Prophet Muhammad pbuh every action is from Allah Subhanwatallah. Think guyz Think before one go astray. Coz its hard to see Jesus pbuh in his second coming. I think not in 100 years he will come. For telling all Jews and Christians the truth.
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FCEGM
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. . . He says that part of the motivation was from the good example of people in Egypt praying five times a day. . .QUOTE]
And then go out and do what to the Copts?
cswusa.com/Countries/Egypt.htm
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Booklover
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Why are you so shocked at what I posted? It’s the truth. Sam from Saudi Arabia posted
“At age 30 I had a business visit to one of the western countries, and during that visit I entered one Church to have some photos (that was my first encounter with the Christian world), after that when I traveled back to Saudi Arabia something happened to me, I don’t know what, but when the Mosque’s clerk used to curse Christians and Jewish during our weekly prayer and daily in our fasting month (Ramadan), I actually wasn’t saying “Amen” after each curse like the other prayers, I kept silent, actually I don’t know why I was doing that, but I think I was saying to myself, why I would curse someone just because of his or her religion!.”
Ask any ex-Muslim and they’ll tell you the same!
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PaulDupre
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This is just one more example of a silly and immature person who bases his faith in God on the behavior of people.
There is a woman in another thread who wanted to come back to the CC but someone was rude to her when she came out of her first confession, so she decided that the Protestant church was more true. :whacky:
These people are involved in religion for the good feelings or the social connections or the entertainment they hope to get from it, not because they recognize a duty to worship God as God desires.
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There is a woman in another thread who wanted to come back to the CC but someone was rude to her when she came out of her first confession, so she decided that the Protestant church was more true. :whacky:
These people are involved in religion for the good feelings or the social connections or the entertainment they hope to get from it, not because they recognize a duty to worship God as God desires.
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Righteousone
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I just can’t figure out why “Catholics” start these kinds of threads…really beats the hell out of me…
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dosdog
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Well here is a mature Catholic _ Born in !961 _ remeber - seeing JFK on TV - the Moon Landing- and I was home the day Robert Kennedy met his fate- And I will still drag the first Muslem and his family who dares to set foot in Vatican City to Hell!!
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