Catholic Question - Why don't the clergy marry?

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You are absolutely incorrect. There is NOTHING intrinsic about ordination that would prohibit marriage…NOTHING…to say that would also be to say that there was something intrinsic about marriage that would prohibit ordination. The restriction against married men being ordained is unique to the Latin rite of the Church…other rites of the Catholic Church allow married men to be ordained.

I also challenge the idea that Paul was not married…I think he was a widower…but might have even been married at the time of his converstion. Here’s the argument…Paul was a Rabbi that actually went to school to earn the title…rather than receiving the title honorifically as Christ had earned it. One of the requirements to be an “ordained” Rabbi was to be a married man. Also, remember, Paul was a Jew faithful to the Law even after his conversion.
I thought married men can be ordained however ordained men cannot marry. If I am correct, this is also true with the Orthodox Christians.

Also, I remember a poster saying something to the effect that priests love women yet they love the Church so much more.
 
I thought married men can be ordained however ordained men cannot marry. If I am correct, this is also true with the Orthodox Christians.

Also, I remember a poster saying something to the effect that priests love women yet they love the Church so much more.
All priests are allowed to be in Love with one woman. Her name is Mary.🙂

So, they have that. And, when you look at the divorce rates even amoung christians they may be better off with Mary who won’t let them down.
 
Goodness, Strawberry Jam…you say you are an agnostic?

Actually there are many priests who enjoy spiritual friendships with women who support their priesthood and pray for them.
 
Well, “tradition” refers to a couple of things. We have Sacred Tradition, which is the non-written, Spirit guided teaching handed down from the Apostles. It cannot change, as it is revelation from God. It is referred to as large “T” tradition. Then we have small ‘t’ tradition, which encompasses things that are not related to revelation. They can and occasionally do change. Priestly celibacy, while also considered a tradition, is more correctly called a discipline of the Church.
Thank you for this clarification. When it was said as Tradition I was even more confused since as I understand it, Catholics view the Holy Scripture, the Tradition, and the Magisterium as equals. If this was simply part of Tradition, then the parts of the church practicing marriage would be in fact violating.
 
Thank you for this clarification. When it was said as Tradition I was even more confused since as I understand it, Catholics view the Holy Scripture, the Tradition, and the Magisterium as equals. If this was simply part of Tradition, then the parts of the church practicing marriage would be in fact violating.
As to the weight given each, it is best to view them as totally dependent upon one another. As it is with the Trinity, you cannot completely separate one from the other. The example of the three-legged stool is often given. There is no “most important” leg, as the stool will fall if any one of the three legs is removed.
 
As to the weight given each, it is best to view them as totally dependent upon one another. As it is with the Trinity, you cannot completely separate one from the other. The example of the three-legged stool is often given. There is no “most important” leg, as the stool will fall if any one of the three legs is removed.
Does anyone use a three-legged stool anymore? 😃
 
Xavierlives, I’ve seen some rather wordy replies, but wanted to make sure you understand that the Catholic Church does not view priestly celibacy as a “tradition” or part of Tradition (capital T, the deposit of faith). The reason that celibacy (staying single) is usually (but not always) required of priests in the Roman rite of the Church (what you hear people call “Roman Catholic”) is because the powers that be have determined that this is the best way to further the spread of the gospel and to care for souls of the faithful. Priests view themselves as “married” to the Church, because they devote their entire lives to serving others, and the Church feels that having another “spouse” would not be the best way to further the gospel at this time.

As for the qualifications for being bishop in Scripture, I’ll invite you to take a look once again. The qualifications listed apply to all Christians. Being “gentle, not quarrelsome” applies to me, just as it would apply to a bishop. So the “man of one wife” applies to me, just the same as it would apply to a bishop. Catholics are only allowed to enter into one, valid sacramental marriage. We can’t divorce and be remarried. The same applies to a bishop. So when it comes to spiritual temperament, bishops are supposed to be the “model” for everyday Christians. Hence, a bishop must be a man of (only) one wife, just like we must be. But scripture never requires marriage of anyone. Just that when folks do get married, they stick to it.

Hence, a faithful Catholic may be properly of the opinion that clergy should be married; that is to say, he may disagree with the Church on this issue (but not be disrespectful of the Church’s authority and choice on the matter) without being a heretic. Celibacy is not a matter of faith or morals; it is one of economics, in the salvation and monetary sense.
 
(I’ve ventured into the Catholic forums 2 months ago and have never really asked a Catholic question)

1 Tim. 3:1-5 says
1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

If the Bible makes provisions for marriage and a family, why don’t the clergy marry?
Because the priests used to own the real estate and property of their churches, and their sons always inherited the office of priest along with the property. If you offended the family of a priest, they could hold a grudge for generations.
 
Because the priests used to own the real estate and property of their churches, and their sons always inherited the office of priest along with the property. If you offended the family of a priest, they could hold a grudge for generations.
Cute and concise, but no, this is not the reason most priests are required to be celibate. No one can “inherit” the priesthood.
 
Given St. Paul’s recommendation of celibacy for full time ministers, why do you think it is that there are so few Protestant ministers who live celibate lives?
Because most Protestant congregations want their ministers to be married instead of single. I’m not saying that’s a good reason - it’s just a practical one. Even in my tradition where bishops appoint clergy instead of churches hiring them, churches still tend to tell their bishops, “Send us a married minister with a family.”
 
You check the history.
I have, in fact, done so. The fact that some people may have abused the authority of their office in the middle ages has nothing to do with priesthood being able to be inherited. Nor did celibacy did arise from inheritance rights or simony or any other similar type of abuse. Read Ambrose and Jerome.
 
I have, in fact, done so. The fact that some people may have abused the authority of their office in the middle ages has nothing to do with priesthood being able to be inherited. Nor did celibacy did arise from inheritance rights or simony or any other similar type of abuse. Read Ambrose and Jerome.
How did the embarassed pope declare this rule of celibacy for priests. Did he simply not mention the scandal?
 
How did the embarassed pope declare this rule of celibacy for priests. Did he simply not mention the scandal?
When did you stop beating your wife? Your loaded question contains no facts. Celibacy as a practice or rule did not derive from any scandal, and was not the product of any pope, much less one with something to be embarrassed about. Wikipedia is your friend, sometimes.

P.S. you are not welcome to come to this board to spread lies and/or misinformation and slanderous innuendo about anyone, much less a pope.
 
Because most Protestant congregations want their ministers to be married instead of single. I’m not saying that’s a good reason - it’s just a practical one. Even in my tradition where bishops appoint clergy instead of churches hiring them, churches still tend to tell their bishops, “Send us a married minister with a family.”
I’m sure that’s the case. A married man is seen in protestant circles as more stable and “settled down” whereas a young handsome minister fresh out of seminary may be seen as a bit of a risque proposition. I’ve also heard it said that married clergy would be more relevant to assisting troubled marriages in their congregation, having some common frame of reference from which to counsel and advise. I’m not entirely sure if this is good reasoning either, but it certainly is a common explanation from those who want a married minister. I’m not saying it’s good or bad to have married clergy. I think there are advantages and disadvantages to both. If the Church tomorrow said that the vow of celibacy was no longer mandatory, something very beautiful would be lost to the Western Church, but it would not be a doctrinal issue for me.

Peace,
Robert
 
Because most Protestant congregations want their ministers to be married instead of single. I’m not saying that’s a good reason - it’s just a practical one. Even in my tradition where bishops appoint clergy instead of churches hiring them, churches still tend to tell their bishops, “Send us a married minister with a family.”
Thanks for the perspective, Reverend. I come from a UMC background, and can say with confidence that many UMC pastor’s wives have expressed sadness at being constantly uprooted by their bishop. (For those in the thread that don’t know, while UMC pastors are allowed to be married, they may be transferred to another church within the bishop’s jurisdiction at any time). Makes you wonder if the Catholic Church is not on to something when it takes seriously the conflict between having two spouses, the Church and an earthly spouse. Not saying this is an issue with you and your wife, Rev., just that I sympathize with UMC pastor’s wives who do experience the tumult of never establishing a life, simply because their husband happens to be good at what he does.
 
Because the priests used to own the real estate and property of their churches, and their sons always inherited the office of priest along with the property. If you offended the family of a priest, they could hold a grudge for generations.
The flaw with this line of thought is that families only married within status. In other words, the offspring of married clergy would have married other offspring of clergy. To marry below station was to write oneself out and to marry above would not occur.
 
Xavierlives, I’ve seen some rather wordy replies, but wanted to make sure you understand that the Catholic Church does not view priestly celibacy as a “tradition” or part of Tradition (capital T, the deposit of faith). The reason that celibacy (staying single) is usually (but not always) required of priests in the Roman rite of the Church (what you hear people call “Roman Catholic”) is because the powers that be have determined that this is the best way to further the spread of the gospel and to care for souls of the faithful. Priests view themselves as “married” to the Church, because they devote their entire lives to serving others, and the Church feels that having another “spouse” would not be the best way to further the gospel at this time.

As for the qualifications for being bishop in Scripture, I’ll invite you to take a look once again. The qualifications listed apply to all Christians. Being “gentle, not quarrelsome” applies to me, just as it would apply to a bishop. So the “man of one wife” applies to me, just the same as it would apply to a bishop. Catholics are only allowed to enter into one, valid sacramental marriage. We can’t divorce and be remarried. The same applies to a bishop. So when it comes to spiritual temperament, bishops are supposed to be the “model” for everyday Christians. Hence, a bishop must be a man of (only) one wife, just like we must be. But scripture never requires marriage of anyone. Just that when folks do get married, they stick to it.

Hence, a faithful Catholic may be properly of the opinion that clergy should be married; that is to say, he may disagree with the Church on this issue (but not be disrespectful of the Church’s authority and choice on the matter) without being a heretic. Celibacy is not a matter of faith or morals; it is one of economics, in the salvation and monetary sense.
Well someone danced around this without explaining it the way you did, so thank you. The only problem I can find with the comparison would be a priest who leaves the priesthood to marry. Now he is committing adultery.
 
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