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CMatt25
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rlg94086
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The one thing I forget every year, when I give up alcohol for Lent, is St Patricks Day. No Guinness! And, I’m wearing an orange shirt right now!
And u2 Joy and everyone have a good day. Happy St Patty’s Day everyone! Got corned beef? I do! :bounce:
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bbarrick8383
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Again, that’s 56 percent of over 300 million.
10 percent of 40 million is 4 million.
A drop in the bucket compared to the over 150 million who vote.
I’m not forgetting anything not am I naive enough to believe this election is in the bag for Obama based on the black population of Chicago.
I’m not as familiar with the Hispanic numbers, other they they are the fastest growing race. I believe they will become a major factor, but right now not quite as much. Probably moreso than blacks, but I’m guessing at this time not much.
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LovePatience
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That still doesn’t mean that you knew them when they were children and when they grew up. Nor is it a representative sample of the poor population; every poor person is not homeless.
That doesn’t change the relationship between poverty and abortion. Poverty still makes abortion more likely.
I agree with Mary and Jesus.
You didn’t state any facts. You stated your opinion. “Stereotypes are generalizations about a group of people whereby we attribute a defined set of characteristics to this group.” If you want to generalize your experience to everyone, that’s a stereotype.
And it is a negative one - “How can you get a job when you have so many children with different fathers and a new one just around the corner? How can you help your kids do their homework and make sure they get to school well-nourished, well rested, and willing to learn when the new boyfriend is either playing video games with them all night or abusing them?
There is no discipline or routine in these homes.” If you walk into these women and one of them has a child because she was raped and not because she was sleeping around, she might be more motivated than the others but she will be treated as if she was morally responsible.
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ishii
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Of course the abortion peddlers prey on the poor- that is why you see Planned Parenthood clinics in urban areas more. There are also more burglaries and robberies during recessions. Maybe we should eliminate laws against those crimes and only deal with the “root causes” of why people rob and steal? That is the problem with your logic, LovePatience.
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bbarrick8383
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Your wrong on some points and will be right eventually on some others.
Not this election though.
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CMatt25
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I’m sure I’m not speaking for Geist. But speaking for myself and I think a few brave other souls on a generally conservative forum. Compared to the alternatives available as well as potentially going back to previously failed policies? Yes.
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rlg94086
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What previously failed policies, specifically, are you referring to?
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GEddie
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The USA and Ireland/Malta are not comparable.
Both island nations are low population societies; in fact, Ireland still has fewer people than they had at the time of the 1847 Famine. In a low population, it is easy to get rid of poverty. Meanwhile, the USA is behind only China and India in population, and unlike mst other Western nations, still increasing. How are we going to fund getting rid of poverty, when we have more poor than Ireland and Malta together have people?
Also, while there are instances of grinding poverty in the USA, most of what passes for poverty here would look good elsewhere.
Further, while abortion might be illegal on the two islands, the EU protects the right to go elsewhere in the union to seek abortion.
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Both island nations are low population societies; in fact, Ireland still has fewer people than they had at the time of the 1847 Famine. In a low population, it is easy to get rid of poverty. Meanwhile, the USA is behind only China and India in population, and unlike mst other Western nations, still increasing. How are we going to fund getting rid of poverty, when we have more poor than Ireland and Malta together have people?
Also, while there are instances of grinding poverty in the USA, most of what passes for poverty here would look good elsewhere.
Further, while abortion might be illegal on the two islands, the EU protects the right to go elsewhere in the union to seek abortion.
God Bless, ICXC NIKA
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Geist
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Sigh. Look, Latinos are not all Cuban. Really only the older Cubans still are loyal to the GOP, the young vote Democrat with other young people. Marco Rubio is also not going to guarantee the Latino vote due to his ethnicity, people vote with their wallets, and with so many folks getting some type of government assistance, they’re going to stay with Big Government. The GOP has utterly burned its bridges with Latinos.
Unwise to alienate a growing young demographic in favor of a shrinking old one.
RE the Catholic vote. Many Catholics do think contraception is OK, gay marriage is OK, women should be priests, etc. Why would they not vote for Obama again? They would view the Church as wrong or out of touch, not Obama.
The demographics cannot go any other way. Why do you have some weird paranoia like I’m conspiring to bring this about Obamas reelection by merely stating that fact?
What polls incidentally?
realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Only one of the eight has Romney winning. Not sure where you’re getting your info from.
IMO Obama deserves to win in as much as anyone deserves to win anything, ideally the best person wins, but sometimes that’s not the case. I am not registered with either R or D if that’s what you’re implying.
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CMatt25
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I’m a tea totaler so that’s not a problem for me.The one thing I forget every year, when I give up alcohol for Lent, is St Patricks Day. No Guinness! And, I’m wearing an orange shirt right now!
But actually heading off in a bit to a corned beef and cabbage NCAA Mar Madness party with my scarlet and gray on. I may need to find a green wristband of sorts!
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LovePatience
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Conservatives place far far less priority on alleviating priority. If you visit the national review, you will see more far articles castigating the poor as morally rephrensible or lauding the benefits of inequality. If you look at how conservatives donate, they disproportionately donate to religious organizations, cultural - i.e. the opera, and health organizations with less going to those organizations specifically intended to help the entrenched poor. If you look at voters, even poor Republicans think that the GOP does not care enough about poverty. And conservatives are socially disconnected from the non white working class poor.
The states with the highest levels of poverty are conservative states. Mississippi is the poorest… followed by Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Louisiana, Montana, South Carolina, Kentucky, Alabama and North Carolina. The conservatives’s approach to reducing poverty isn’t working, but it doesn’t bother them as long as the ideology behind it is good enough. The approach wasn’t made to solve problems; it was made so people wouldn’t feel guilty.
The conservative approach to a robust economy is decreasing legislation, legislation that would have prevented the recent recession - as Gingrich admitted. It is confusing why this would create a robust economy as it is the same strategy as many of the poor countries of this world. The approach of some liberals to a robust economy is immigration, free trade (NAFTA), technological development, education, and a much more detailed approach. America has propsered through technology, i.e. Silicon Valley. But conservatives think focusing on education is snobbery and citing scientific research is citing stupid bias preferring to rely on common sense solutions. Thus, only 6% of scientists are conservative. Can a common sense solution take us to Mars?
See Clinton:
An increase in the minimum wage.
The Family and Medical Leave Act.
The child tax credit
An expanded earned income tax credit.
Welfare reform that put Americans to work.
More federal funding for Head Start and child care.
The Children’s Health Insurance Program.
Better nutritional and housing support for low-income families.
Community technology centers.
Expanded educational technology
A stronger Community Reinvestment Act.
New Markets and Empowerment Zones.
Community Development Banks.
Expanded national service.
americanprogress.org/issues/2011/10/clinton_economy.html
To be fair, Bush has some good ideas, but they focused on developing countries not America, i.e. Millenium Challenge Account. No comment on No Child Left Behind. But the cut cut cut strategy only helps society if you are not cutting useful programs.
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bbarrick8383
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Obama deserves to win as much as anyone deserves to win anything?
Coming from a self proclaimed realist, who refuses to look at anything but percentages…it’s a rather odd statement.
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LovePatience
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That’s not true. Even in the poorest countries, being homeless in America is not attractive. And Hurricane Katrina looks pretty bad even in poor countries. Plus, in a lot of respects, we have numbers among certain populations in our country that are worse than in other countries. For example, our STD rates among certain populations are worse than the crisis in the developing world.
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ishii
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More assumptions, Geist.
You say you’re a realist and little else matters. Except, apparently, the facts.
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Electing the first black president is not as historical as re-electing the black president.
“From what you gather”? Catholics are a large group of voters. Count on the clueless ones to vote for Obama, but you underestimate the effect of Obama’s policies toward the Catholic church. The muddled middle might vote for Obama, but the faithful catholics will be much more motivated to vote against Obama.
Most people are urbanites? Seriously? That statement alone calls into question your entire analysis. More than half the population lives in suburbs and commutes! They commute by car. They pay higher gas prices.
Is that why Obamacare is so unpopular? Is that why the GOP made their highest gains in an off year election since something like the 1920’s? How many gay marriage intitiatives have passed vs. how many anti-gay marriage initiatives have passed? Its great to be a realist, but you really should base your analysis on the facts. America is still a center/right country. I would agree that the demographics seem to be changing, but we haven’t gotten to the point where the liberal gay friendly will win every time. One reason is that liberalism doesn’t work in practice. Will Obama win? He fooled the voters one time, but now I think he will have a harder time of it - he has a record that stands for all to see.
You say you’re a realist and little else matters. Except, apparently, the facts.
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ishii
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Well duh. I could have predicted that from you Cmatt. Have a great St. Patrick’s day.
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ishii
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I’m not trying to get you to break your fast, but I gave up alcohol too and I will indulge in a guiness on this feast day.The one thing I forget every year, when I give up alcohol for Lent, is St Patricks Day. No Guinness! And, I’m wearing an orange shirt right now!
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rlg94086
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Are all these programs still in place? Has poverty increased or decreased since the Clinton years? If they worked, poverty should have decreased.
We were able to afford bloated social programs because the economy was robust. They didn’t cause the economy to be robust.
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I didn’t say homeless, I said “passes for poverty”. We have Americans considered to be “poor” who have cars and TV, something almost unique to North America.
Also, disaster conditions should be compared only to other disaster conditions. Yes, things looked pretty bad in the footprint of Katrina. But that should be compared to disaster areas in other countries, not to normality there.
NAnians normally see only the first few days, if that much, of overseas disasters, while we saw the years-long recovery from Katrina. That skews our perceptions.
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