Catholic Santorum winning the South ... our next Prez ?

[ellipsis2]

I just heard this on Rush Lambaugh.Apparently the leftist media is spinning Rick Santorums’ winning in both Alabama and Mississippi as racist Why,you say? According to the left,the fact that white working class women overwhelmingly voted for Santorum,that must mean that race trumps their desire for control of their reproductive rightsOnly problem with that theory is,there are only white men running in the primary:shrug:

Do you really consider Limbaugh credible?

 

[irishpatrick]

No, because destroying the whole country without any plan to replace what you have torn down is just plain stupid. It seems the conservatives want to drag this country back to before the civil war era. Perhaps I misunderstand but your comment sounds like you are trying to say that I am motivated by wanting the government to take care of me. Please note that the last democrat I voted for, before Obama, was Hubert Humphrey when he ran against Nixon. That was a long time ago.

But the GOP is not the party of Lincoln anymore. Eisenhower, Ford and even Reagan would not be far right enough for the new GOP. .Barry Goldwater’s daughter said that her dad would not be considered conservative enough and would never recognize what his party has become. I had great respect for Goldwater. The party has sold out to far right radicals in the Tea Party, where there is clear evidence that the “so called” grass roots movement started and was motivated by race, Limbaugh,Fox news and financed by the Koch Brothers. It is also interesting how the GOP has now distanced themselves from them at least until after the election. When the GOP again is about being fiscally conservative and moves more toward the center than I will join the party again. In the mean time, I think they are using us and the abortion issue to destroy what is left of the middle class and to raise up all those rich people and companies they are tied to. People like Grover Norquist. Respectfully-

Nonsense!

Lincoln is best known for freeing the slaves and he was a Republican. Throughout the 20th century the GOP fought for womens rights and for civil rights (most people do not know that more Republicans, by percentage, voted for the Civil Rights Act, than did Democrats). Finally, the GOP has always attempted to work hard for the truly disenfranchised, and today the GOP fights for the most vulnerable among us, babies in the womb. Republicans want to end that truly evil practice–the left wants to make it more accessible.

The ridiculous claim by the left that the GOP is the party of the rich is also easy to dispute, the vast majority of Billionaires are Democrats, and the majority of the truly rich in Congress are Democrats.

The GOP’s largest failure is it has done an awful job getting the word out that Republicans stand with and for the people!

Democrats stand for bigger government (which, btw, the larger the government grows, the smaller we normal citizens get); they stand for legal killing of innocents through abortion, they stand for high taxes on the rich by creating class warfare to try to win elections, and they support anti-traditional marriage at every opportunity. Yet, with all that, the Democrats manage to fool a large portion of the population into thinking they are the party of the people–nonsense.

 

[irishpatrick]

Do you really consider Limbaugh credible?

He is very credible. At times, like with the Fluke situation, he is over the top because his ego sometimes gets away from him. However, the man has an uncanny ability to read the political winds, especially how the left will react in most circumstances. Why do you think he is such a thorn the side of the Deomcrats? It is because he has their number more often, than not, and that drives them crazy. Democrats want to keep spoon feedling the people and Rush works against that.

Unlike the left, Limbaugh actually apologized for the harsh words he used.

BTW, I sure hope you are just as intolerant toward all those on the left who have said the most horrible things about people on the right.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Do you really consider Limbaugh credible?

Just for clarification.I heard the actual news byte ON the Rush Limbaugh show.This wasn’t his interpretation,heard it straight from the horses’s mouth!

 

[Dale_M]

Anyways, I think there’s a legitimate discussion to be had as to why moderates don’t get elected, but why purists/ ideologues do.

For the Purists=
Ronald Regan
Barack Obama

For the Moderates=
John McCain
I’m sure there’s more, but I’m both too young to know, and too lazy to do the research…

I’m not sure that purist vs. moderate is the key factor. I think what won the White House for Carter, Reagan, Clinton, GW Bush, and Obama is that they were seen as being in touch with the ordinary American. Voters had a sense that the candidate understood “people like us.” All of them had a degree of charisma which their opponents did not.

For those reasons, I think the Republican Party might want to think twice about nominating Romney. He has long been parodied as a robot. And he has hurt himself repeatedly this campaign by coming across as a an aloof and clueless multi-millionaire. Heck, Mad Magazine even produced a questionnaire listing a series of quotes and asking
“Who said it, Mitt Romney or Mr. Burns?”
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[rlg94086]

I’m not sure that purist vs. moderate is the key factor. I think what won the White House for Carter, Reagan, Clinton, GW Bush, and Obama is that they were seen as being in touch with the ordinary American. Voters had a sense that the candidate understood “people like us.” All of them had a degree of charisma which their opponents did not.

For those reasons, I think the Republican Party might want to think twice about nominating Romney. He has long been parodied as a robot. And he has hurt himself repeatedly this campaign by coming across as a an aloof and clueless multi-millionaire. Heck, Mad Magazine even produced a questionnaire listing a series of quotes and asking
“Who said it, Mitt Romney or Mr. Burns?”
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You seriously believe Mad Magazine should be the barometer of public opinion upon which Republicans base their nomination?

 

[Pork_Roll]

Has anyone heard the filth and hatred spew out of Michael Savage’s mouth towards Santorum? Michael Savage is a hate filled jerk in my opinion. I can’t listen to him anymore. His hatred for immigrants is out of hand. I understand why they banned him in Britain. Why does it appear that the drudgereport and some influential conservatives have it out for Santorum? Is it because he’s too Catholic for them?

 

[ellipsis2]

Has anyone heard the filth and hatred spew out of Michael Savage’s mouth towards Santorum? Michael Savage is a hate filled jerk in my opinion. I can’t listen to him anymore. His hatred for immigrants is out of hand. I understand why they banned him in Britain. Why does it appear that the drudgereport and some influential conservatives have it out for Santorum? Is it because he’s too Catholic for them?

I listened to him one time and thought he had a few loose screws. He wants to out shock the shock jocks ( How’s that for assonance/) The Republican powers to be decided Romney might have a chance against President Obama. The have sent out their talking points and the radio guys are following their orders. Santorum is out and Romney is in no matter what the vote count is.
Did you notice the super delegate count last night in Mississippi? It was even until Romney one upped him due to Barbour’s relative casting the super delegate vote.

 

[Dale_M]

You seriously believe Mad Magazine should be the barometer of public opinion upon which Republicans base their nomination?

I think topical humor plays upon feelings or attitudes which are currently prevalent.

My point is that during the past 30+ years, the US has been electing presidents who were deemed by voters to be someone who understood the lives of an ordinary American. He was considered to be “like me” or at least clued in on what “my life and concerns” are…

And these winning candidates had charisma which their opponent lacked.

I think Romney is weak on both those points.

 

[CMatt25]

I just heard this on Rush Lambaugh.Apparently the leftist media is spinning Rick Santorums’ winning in both Alabama and Mississippi as racist Why,you say? According to the left,the fact that white working class women overwhelmingly voted for Santorum,that must mean that race trumps their desire for control of their reproductive rightsOnly problem with that theory is,there are only white men running in the primary:shrug:

I watched Alabama and Mississippi primary results coverage on MSNBC and CNN and the night after, parts of Hardball, Rev Al’s Politics Nation, Ed Shultz, and Lawrence O’Donnell’s Last Word on MSNBC. And a bit of Wolf and John King on CNN . But I admit not full programming. Usually I try to catch Rachel Maddow but missed hers tonight. I’ve heard no such thing during what I saw. I have heard the Republican Party has become a party controlled by religious conservatives such as conservative evangelicals, conservative Catholics, and conservative Orthodox Jews. Based on my experiences here on this particular conservative Catholic forum, that doesn’t seem to be too far a stretch to me for someone to say that. Not saying someone, somewhere didn’t say what you heard. But the view that southern women voted Santorum because of race is something I haven’t heard during all my “leftist media” viewing. And that this is being spunned by the “leftist media” in any great degree is something I haven’t seen.

 

[CMatt25]

Liberals make me feel like I’m being forced to accept help I don’t want.

Very irritating.

What makes me more irritated are things like when the richest nation on the face of God’s earth has the best health care in the world money can buy. In other words only for those who can afford it. I get irritated when I read about cases such as 62Joy spoke about. Her friend in Florida denied health insurance because she had cancer in the past. The man who goes to her church who had to sell his house because of medical bills. Her sister having to pay over $800 a month for insurance. Jesus said to care for the sick. Not that the rich who can most afford it, should get the best or better care. And that health care is determined in any degree to a person’s wealth makes me very irritated. Joy I think is absolutely correct in her assessment of our health care system and in what went on during the health care debate.

 

[bbarrick8383]

What makes me more irritated are things like when the richest nation on the face of God’s earth has the best health care in the world money can buy. In other words only for those who can afford it. I get irritated when I read about cases such as 62Joy spoke about. Her friend in Florida denied health insurance because she had cancer in the past. The man who goes to her church who had to sell his house because of medical bills. Her sister having to pay over $800 a month for insurance. Joy is absolutely correct in her assessment that our health care system favors the rich. And because it does that makes me very irritated.

I support a family of five off of 16 bucks an hour. If you don’t think life really sucks financially for me sometimes then your out of your mind. The difference is I’d rather find solutions that don’t involve a central government, the absolutely most horrible somewhat essential invention of mankind to put us all in the same boat and tell us not to worry that they have a great plan for all of us.

Being a liberals easy, just ask government to do everything for you. As long as there are politicians they will be more than happy to oblige.

Liberals point to little peoples problems and ask for big government solutions as if that’s all there is.

I know real poverty and the little persons solution has absolutely nothing to do with the federal government.

 

[ishii]

I'm glad you have the gift of foresight :rolleyes:

Anyways, I think there’s a legitimate discussion to be had as to why moderates don’t get elected, but why purists/ ideologues do.

For the Purists=
Ronald Regan
Barack Obama

For the Moderates=
John McCain
I’m sure there’s more, but I’m both too young to know, and too lazy to do the research.

Your examples don’t apply to 2008 -a purist would not have won after 8 years of Bush as president, two long wars, a recession - so you can’t blame moderation for McCain’s loss. As for Reagan - as someone else mentioned, he ran not as a purist ideologue, but as a candidate who could turn the country around. The country was still largely undecided until they realized after watching the debates that Reagan ***wasn’t ***the warmonger/extremist/purist that the left was trying to paint him as. He was also a great communicator - something that Santorum isn’t. Obama won partly because he was able to fool enough voters into believing that he wasn’t a leftist. Lies and deception and favorable conditions coming together at the right time are the only way a left-wing candidate can win in a center/right country like America.

Anyways, I’m sure the GOP establishment will be wringing their necks if Romney loses. There will be no excuse… that would be 2 moderates in a row losing to a far left liberal.
That would be 2 moderates losing the independents, and a far left liberal winning the independents.

You fail to understand that a race between Obama and Romney would be a clear choice between harrassment of the Catholic Church, faith in government, more government spending, unfriendly business climate, socialized medicine, and activist judges on the one side, and pro-business policies, contructionist judges, and reigned in federal spending on the other.

1. Can this party afford another Bush?

The better question is can America afford another four years of Obama. Hopefully enough Americans will realize that we can’t. Hopefully enough GOP voters will get over their guy losing enough to support the eventual nominee, whoever he is.

Ishii

 

[Caldera]

I watched Alabama and Mississippi primary results coverage on MSNBC and CNN and the night after, parts of Hardball, Rev Al’s Politics Nation, Ed Shultz, and Lawrence O’Donnell’s Last Word on MSNBC. And a bit of Wolf and John King on CNN . But I admit not full programming. Usually I try to catch Rachel Maddow but missed hers tonight. I’ve heard no such thing during what I saw. I have heard the Republican Party has become a party controlled by religious conservatives such as conservative evangelicals, conservative Catholics, and conservative Orthodox Jews. Based on my experiences here on this particular conservative Catholic forum, that doesn’t seem to be too far a stretch to me for someone to say that. Not saying someone, somewhere didn’t say what you heard. But the view that southern women voted Santorum because of race is something I haven’t heard during all my “leftist media” viewing. And that this is being spunned by the “leftist media” in any great degree is something I haven’t seen.

Karen Finney is MSNBC’s political analyst, and she is the one Rush is talking about.

FINNEY: You know, I’m stunned. Uh, the only explanation that I can come up with is — and I think this would be a question I’d want to go back and ask these women. For these women, did race — or… or, in other words, “conservative values;” that’s the code, right? — trump gender? You know, it’s still a very conservative state. The racial issues are alive and well in Alabama and Mississippi. Remember those polls that we saw where large percentage don’t believe in interracial marriage and think the president is a “Mooslem.” So clearly there is some sort of racial stuff in there, and I wonder if that — ultimately for white working women — trumps their own gender.”

Transcript of Limbaugh’s show
rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/14/liberals_dismayed_that_southern_women_voted_for_santorum_and_that_i_still_exist

 

[ishii]

I was a registered Republican and precinct committee woman in my former state for years.  I was very upset with the war in Iraq and Bush but because I did like John McCain (because he was a moderate and I am a moderate) I was supporting him in 2008. That  is until he picked Palin. No amount of money could make me vote for her.

What was it about Palin did you not like? What did you think about her committment to pro-life values, for example? Funny, you describe all the “disgusting hate and anger” at the healthcare meetings you went to then proceed to say that “no amount of money could make you vote for her.” Sounds a little angry and hateful(?) to me.

At the same time, I was sick that my friend in Florida was denied health insurance because she had cancer in the past. And disgusted with the fact that the man who goes to my church had to sell his house because of medical bills he could not pay. At the same time, my sister who is a diabetic and heart patient , had to pay over $800 a month for insurance for over a year after her husband died. This was because she had to go on disability and you don’t get any insurance for the first year on disability. I felt that our health care system favored only the rich and still do feel that way.

The answer is not to put the government in control of healthcare. Do you really trust a bureaucrat in Washington to tell you what kind of coverage you should have? Think an insurance doesn’t share your values or respect for quality of life? Wait until a power hungry bureaucrat with the disrespect for life ideology of Kathleen Sebelius gets to decide what kind of care you and your friend will get. And more importantly what you will **not **get. Nothing is free 62Joy and the government will ration care, you can bet on it. Do you think the elderly will much care in a ration situation? The conservatives have answers to your questions on how to reform our healthcare system but I wonder if you’d really listen to them? Healthcare is expensive for a lot of reasons. One, because it involves so much technology and training, but also because there isn’t enough competition - can’t shop for an insurance plan across state lines. A healthy 22 year old has to pay for coverage he doesn’t need. Its one size fits all. There is inefficiency and increased costs. And you want the federal government to take over??? Name one program the federal government has ran efficiently and cut costs. You also need to look at the malpractice tort lawyers too - they help keep healthcare costs high, yet you let them off the hook. Why?

I went to several meetings at the time of the health care debate and all I heard from speakers on the right was such hate that it made me sick that so called “Christians” could talk that way. All that anger and not one constructive idea presented about how to fix the health care problem. The Senator who was at the talks kept saying we have to fix it or it will bankrupt the country and no one even pretended to listen. They just called him and the President dirty names and waved their Tea Party flags in his face. It was disgusting!

Objection - hearsay.

As far as the Republican Party…until they quite focusing on all the social issues (sorry, just beating Obama is not enough to get my vote) and start giving real solutions to the real problems in this country… I can’t support them. The agenda that the Tea Party conservatives have shown in states where they have been elected will just put another nail in the coffin of the middle class in this country.

The Republicans have given real solutions, but you don’t listen to them. House budget chairman Paul Ryan has given solutions. What don’t you like about them?

Getting rid of unions (even though I have never liked unions), teachers in public schools and a desire for more tax cuts seems to me to be just more ways to raise up the rich while hurting the poor and middle class. The fact that all of the Tea Party politicians, along with a couple Democrats and all but three Republican members of congress have signed pledges to Grover Norquist to never raise taxes under any circumstances makes me sure that they are working for him and not for me. And, frankly I think signing pledges to anyone should be illegal.

For all the reasons above and many more, I will be voting for Obama even though it was a hard decision. But after much thought and prayer…I think it is the right one. God bless.

I wonder did you really think about it? Your whole post seems unreasonable - you give nothing more than a simplistic strawman caricature of what the conservatives and the GOP stand for and are offering and then you regard that as “much thought” ? I see lots of “feelings” but not much thought. Why was it hard decision to vote for Obama? What about Obama do you not like?

Ishii

 

[ishii]

Karen Finney is MSNBC’s political analyst, and she is the one Rush is talking about.

FINNEY: You know, I’m stunned. Uh, the only explanation that I can come up with is — and I think this would be a question I’d want to go back and ask these women. For these women, did race — or… or, in other words, “conservative values;” that’s the code, right? — trump gender? You know, it’s still a very conservative state. The racial issues are alive and well in Alabama and Mississippi. Remember those polls that we saw where large percentage don’t believe in interracial marriage and think the president is a “Mooslem.” So clearly there is some sort of racial stuff in there, and I wonder if that — ultimately for white working women — trumps their own gender.”

Transcript of Limbaugh’s show
rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/14/liberals_dismayed_that_southern_women_voted_for_santorum_and_that_i_still_exist

Of course, racism is always the trumpcard pulled by the left. And to mention concrete examples of this - as you do very well - shows just how biased the media is toward the left. During the Clinton administration we had gender trumping morality.

Ishii

 

[Dale_M]

Karen Finney is MSNBC’s political analyst, and she is the one Rush is talking about.

Karen Finney is one of many political analysts employed by MSNBC. That she is engaging in spin shouldn’t be surprising. She was formerly Director of Communications for the Democratic National Committee. MSNBC also employs as a political analyst Michael Steele, who is former Chairman of the Republican National Committee.

I am not sure how many political analysts MSNBC uses, but a quick Google search turns up at least ten names.

 

[CMatt25]

Karen Finney is MSNBC’s political analyst, and she is the one Rush is talking about.

FINNEY: You know, I’m stunned. Uh, the only explanation that I can come up with is — and I think this would be a question I’d want to go back and ask these women. For these women, did race — or… or, in other words, “conservative values;” that’s the code, right? — trump gender? You know, it’s still a very conservative state. The racial issues are alive and well in Alabama and Mississippi. Remember those polls that we saw where large percentage don’t believe in interracial marriage and think the president is a “Mooslem.” So clearly there is some sort of racial stuff in there, and I wonder if that — ultimately for white working women — trumps their own gender.”

Transcript of Limbaugh’s show
rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/03/14/liberals_dismayed_that_southern_women_voted_for_santorum_and_that_i_still_exist

Oh ok so basically one analyst Karen Finney was simply wanting to ask these women and mentioned a fact that polls have previously shown a number of conservatives considered the President a Muslim even though he was baptized in and his children were baptized in the United Church of Christ. And that somehow means the “leftist media” is spinning this.

 

[CMatt25]

Karen Finney is one of many political analysts employed by MSNBC. That she is engaging in spin shouldn’t be surprising. She was formerly Director of Communications for the Democratic National Committee. MSNBC also employs as a political analyst Michael Steele, who is former Chairman of the Republican National Committee.

I am not sure how many political analysts MSNBC uses, but a quick Google search turns up at least ten names.

A lot of folks offer analysis on MSNBC. I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual number is more than 10. And besides Steele, long time Republican operative Steve Schmidt also appears. As have other Republicans.

 

[Caldera]

Karen Finney is one of many political analysts employed by MSNBC. That she is engaging in spin shouldn’t be surprising. She was formerly Director of Communications for the Democratic National Committee. MSNBC also employs as a political analyst Michael Steele, who is former Chairman of the Republican National Committee.

I am not sure how many political analysts MSNBC uses, but a quick Google search turns up at least ten names.

The point is, is that Finney was the analyst commenting on MSNBC the night when Santorum won Alabama and Mississippi. She has worked for Hillary Clinton in the past, and also serves on the board of NARAL.

I think her comments were ridiculous.