Catholic Santorum winning the South ... our next Prez ?

[ishii]

You might want to stop looking at it from a racial view.

Conservatives, approximately 40 percent of the population, will vote Republican.

Liberals, approximately 20 percent, will vote liberal.

The remaining 40 percent of independents, consisting of conservative to liberal leaning moderates from all walks of life, decide the election.

Obama will not win hands down, sorry, ain’t happening.

While I agree with your last conclusion, I think your calculations are a bit off - 40% will pretty solidly vote Republican, 40% will solidly vote Democrat, leaving 15-20% of the middle for the two candidates to compete for (maybe even less than 15% given 3rd parties). I think a modern history of presidential elections will bear that out.

I think one of Obama’s biggest weaknesses is his liberalism - while people are struggling to fill their tanks to get to work, Obama is lecturing us on the use of green energy - he is in the pocket of the environmental lobby. This will hurt him in November. Another weakness is his arrogance and over-confidence which seems to be his personality. The GOP candidates are not without their weaknesses to be sure, but Obama definitely has his. The race is nowhere near over. Obama isn’t a shoe-in. Neither is Romney.

Ishii

 

[ishii]

I see your point. I do think some seem to believe if the GOP candidate picks FL’s Marco Rubio to run with him as VP, that will help with the Latino vote. But for instance with his opposition to the Dream Act which polls show an overwhelming of Latino voters support, I’m not convinced Rubio would be enough to tip the scale. Cuban Americans often vote Republican in any case. And I’m not convinced Latinos overall would flock to the GOP in large enough droves to save them. But it’s still a long ways yet until Nov. I expect a very close call either way it goes. The country became more divided in 2000 with Bush v Gore. The popular vote going one way and the SCOTUS ruling another for the Electoral College. Bush didn’t help matters. And since Obama’s election, and the efforts of the Tea Party since, the division has continued. Congress is more unpopular than Obama. And I think the election could still very much go either way.

I don’t think its all about the Latino vote with Rubio. He is a great speaker and he would fire up the base - which will be a necessary task if Romney gets the nomination. And it wouldn’t be another Palin fiasco, as Rubio can think on his feet and is very smart. As for the latinos, if Rubio helps the GOP win Florida by appealing to more Cubans, then he would be a very valuable running mate. Like Obama getting more of the black vote, Rubio could help get more of the latino vote in Florida and win that state for the GOP, so its not about “the latinos flocking to the GOP”. If Rubio helps the GOP even get a slightly larger percentage of the latino vote overall, the Democrats will have a tough time winning. If he helps get out the conservative vote across the country, he will help the congressional candidates. I agree with you that the country became more divided with the 2000 election, and that this election might be close. But don’t just blame the tea party on the division - your guy Obama deserves much of the blame for ramming through Obamacare with the votes of politicians who hadn’t even read the bill. And he was supposed to be the most transparent administration in years but he has been so secretive in the way he and Sebelius have handled the HHS mandate. Also don’t forget Nancy Pelosi parading outside with her oversized gavel taunting the protesters - you don’t think she deserves any blame for the polarization that has taken place since 2008? Regarding division, is it always bad? I mean, isn’t it good to be clear where we stand? Or should we gloss over our differences and pretend they don’t exist? Be objective for a change.

Ishii

 

[GEddie]

Obama did get Florida in 08, so it’s not like anybody there is not in play.

 

[bbarrick8383]

While I agree with your last conclusion, I think your calculations are a bit off - 40% will pretty solidly vote Republican, 40% will solidly vote Democrat, leaving 15-20% of the middle for the two candidates to compete for (maybe even less than 15% given 3rd parties). I think a modern history of presidential elections will bear that out.

I agree, you are correct. I was trying to break it down on a more ideological basis than a party affiliation. I haven’t had much time to post lately and what I do post comes rather hastily from my phone.

I think one of Obama’s biggest weaknesses is his liberalism - while people are struggling to fill their tanks to get to work, Obama is lecturing us on the use of green energy - he is in the pocket of the environmental lobby. This will hurt him in November. Another weakness is his arrogance and over-confidence which seems to be his personality. The GOP candidates are not without their weaknesses to be sure, but Obama definitely has his. The race is nowhere near over. Obama isn’t a shoe-in. Neither is Romney.

Ishii

Yep.

 

[CMatt25]

While I agree with your last conclusion, I think your calculations are a bit off - 40% will pretty solidly vote Republican, 40% will solidly vote Democrat, leaving 15-20% of the middle for the two candidates to compete for (maybe even less than 15% given 3rd parties). I think a modern history of presidential elections will bear that out.

I think one of Obama’s biggest weaknesses is his liberalism - while people are struggling to fill their tanks to get to work, Obama is lecturing us on the use of green energy - he is in the pocket of the environmental lobby. This will hurt him in November. Another weakness is his arrogance and over-confidence which seems to be his personality. The GOP candidates are not without their weaknesses to be sure, but Obama definitely has his. The race is nowhere near over. Obama isn’t a shoe-in. Neither is Romney.

Ishii

If he has such an arrogant personalty it’s interesting that polls have consistently shown Americans like him as a person.

 

[bbarrick8383]

If he has such an arrogant personalty it’s interesting that polls have consistently shown Americans like him as a person.

Americans are arrogant too.

 

[CMatt25]

I don’t think its all about the Latino vote with Rubio. He is a great speaker and he would fire up the base - which will be a necessary task if Romney gets the nomination. And it wouldn’t be another Palin fiasco, as Rubio can think on his feet and is very smart.

I thought the base was going to be fired up regardless. But yes if Santorum or Romney picks him and he accepts despite over and over saying he’s not interested, hopefully smart enough to know for instance when his family made it out of Cuba.

npr.org/2011/10/24/141663197/rubio-tries-to-clarify-how-his-family-left-cuba

 

[Geist]

You might want to stop looking at it from a racial view.

Conservatives, approximately 40 percent of the population, will vote Republican.

Liberals, approximately 20 percent, will vote liberal.

The remaining 40 percent of independents, consisting of conservative to liberal leaning moderates from all walks of life, decide the election.

Obama will not win hands down, sorry, ain’t happening.

John Stewart to Larry Wilmore (black celebrity):

“Larry, do you think Obama will have a harder time getting the black vote this election since he really hasn’t done anything expressly to help African Americans”?

“Is Obama still black”?

“Yes.”

“Then he has the black vote.”

You’re swallowing the view that skin color doesn’t matter. It does. Only white people(rapidly becoming the minority incidentally) vote along issues or ideology.

Everyone else votes Democrat. The party that runs people for office that look like them.

Someone mentioned Marco Rubio. Cubans are a small block of votes in Florida, the Latino vote is much more diverse and will be Democrat this year given the Republican rhetoric so far.

If I’m wrong and the racial view is wrong why are non-whites and white women a solid voting Democratic block going on 40 years now?

 

[Geist]

Don’t forget to throw in the free money. How do you compete with free money?

“I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won’t have to worry about paying my mortgage”.

Truth. Someone mentioned people struggling to put gas in their cars to go to work.

No, they’re not.

Because they don’t need a job to go to since Obama has pushed through unemployment extensions for over three years now.

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

Truth. Someone mentioned people struggling to put gas in their cars to go to work.

No, they’re not.

Because they don’t need a job to go to since Obama has pushed through unemployment extensions for over three years now.

That takes care of the car issue, but how does Peggy Joseph pay her mortgage? Not that she’ll have her house anymore, once Christ comes again, and those who were complicit in this evil will get their just due.

 

[bbarrick8383]

John Stewart to Larry Wilmore (black celebrity):

“Larry, do you think Obama will have a harder time getting the black vote this election since he really hasn’t done anything expressly to help African Americans”?

“Is Obama still black”?

“Yes.”

“Then he has the black vote.”

You’re swallowing the view that skin color doesn’t matter. It does. Only white people(rapidly becoming the minority incidentally) vote along issues or ideology.

Everyone else votes Democrat. The party that runs people for office that look like them.

Someone mentioned Marco Rubio. Cubans are a small block of votes in Florida, the Latino vote is much more diverse and will be Democrat this year given the Republican rhetoric so far.

If I’m wrong and the racial view is wrong why are non-whites and white women a solid voting Democratic block going on 40 years now?

Democrats have had the black vote for a long time now, Clinton got just as many blacks to vote for him as Obama did. Percentages are insignificant in this case because there aren’t enough of them to show up and make a difference. Last mid term the Republicans won a historic 700+ seats nationwide.

Getting the black vote is a small mini itty bitty bonus in comparison to the Catholic vote.

 

[Nicko]

If I’m wrong and the racial view is wrong why are non-whites and white women a solid voting Democratic block going on 40 years now?

Because the Republicans have attached themselves to policies that alienate “non-whites” and the majority of women.

 

[Dale_M]

Getting the black vote is a small mini itty bitty bonus in comparison to the Catholic vote.

I’m not sure that Catholics vote as a bloc. While the African-American community is not monolithic, a voting pattern is noticeable.

Among US Catholics, I am not sure the same can be said.

 

[dixieagle]

I think it’s unlikely. There’s too much overlap there, with respect to votes. Rubio, on the other hand, would gain Romney votes in demographics he wouldn’t otherwise get.

This is a possibility, in my opinion.

I think that Republicans have shot themselves in both feet by appearing to be hostile to Latinos and Hispanics (the latest gaffe being Santorum’s, that Puerto Ricans learn English if Puerto Rico is to become a state) and they have tons of fence-mending to do. These voters often are more in tune with the conservative stance on social issues of the Republicans, but many have been alienated. The Republicans better wake up, or they may well really blow it. Here is a link (you have to be a Time subscriber to read it all):

time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2107497,00.html

And here is a link briefly discussing the article:

tudecidesmedia.com/politics-time-magazine-highlights-latino-role-in-presidential-race-p3252-128.htm

 

[bbarrick8383]

I’m not sure that Catholics vote as a bloc. While the African-American community is not monolithic, a voting pattern is noticeable.

Among US Catholics, I am not sure the same can be said.

No, I wasnt tryin to say they were.

But if they voted Republican by the same percentage that blacks vote democratic, Obama never would have step foot in office.

 

[mary_bobo]

If I’m wrong and the racial view is wrong why are non-whites and white women a solid voting Democratic block going on 40 years now?

Because the Democrats have successfully convinced them that they are too weak to fend for themselves, that someone has to take care of them.

 

[Jeanne_S]

I am curious about the Catholic vote.For those of you who voted for Obama in the past and plan to again,how are you able to look past the abortion issue? In my humble opinion,everything is predicated on how we value life,not just for some,but for all,especially the most innocent among us.Not putting this first,creates a slippery slope that undermines all other social justice issues. God Bless

 

[qui_est_ce]

I am curious about the Catholic vote.For those of you who voted for Obama in the past and plan to again,how are you able to look past the abortion issue? In my humble opinion,everything is predicated on how we value life,not just for some,but for all,especially the most innocent among us.Not putting this first,creates a slippery slope that undermines all other social justice issues. God Bless

Please. You’re new here. The mental gyrations will make your brain ache.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Please. You’re new here. The mental gyrations will make your brain ache.

I agree, stick around, take something for nausea and be sure you are sitting at all times.

 

[CatholicBoy1957]

I am curious about the Catholic vote.For those of you who voted for Obama in the past and plan to again,how are you able to look past the abortion issue? In my humble opinion,everything is predicated on how we value life,not just for some,but for all,especially the most innocent among us.Not putting this first,creates a slippery slope that undermines all other social justice issues. God Bless

God Bless you, Jeanne. You are still innocent. Your heart will be broken here on this forum, when you read posts from the many who “self-identify” as Catholic, but are unfaithful. Think of how much Christ suffers because of this, and unite your sufferings with His that you sustain here.