Catholic school lauded for withdrawing from St. Patrick’s Day Parade - Boston Globe

[gam197]

What is interesting is that the Church thinks no one is noticing this.

Many if not most in the Church have no idea that this is happening. They go to mass but they don’t hear of this and of course, there is no announcement or anything of that kind.

So the Church Heirarchy believes that they can have one gay group, get their funding from Guinness and Sam Adam beer back and everyone is happy. I truly believe that is what they think.

They are really not interested in the moral of it or they are in denial. but believe they are pleasing everyone. That is my take on all this.

There is a petition asking Cardinal Dolan to step down from being the Grand Marshall of the New York Saint Patrick’s Day parade from Lifesite. Please sign.

lifesitenews.com/petitio…ctivist/440003

 

[gam197]

Blasio calls for ‘inclusive’ St. Patrick’s Day parade

]At the St. Pat’s for All parade in Sunnyside on Sunday, Mayor Bill de Blasio said he was still waiting for more information about the inclusiveness of the main St. Patrick’s Day parade in Manhattan and suggested the parade organizers should include more than one group of LGBT NBC employees.

“Having only one delegation associated with one company that allows members of the LGBT community is obviously a pretty narrow concession, and I think we’d like to see something that’s more inclusive,” de Blasio said,…

While he said the level of inclusivity “remains to be defined,” he said it would need to be “more than what they’ve put on the table so far,” adding that he would listen to the views of LGBT leaders.
capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/03/8563150/de-blasio-calls-inclusive-st-patricks-day-parade

Its looks like the mayor of New York is having second thoughts about marching this year in the parade.

So much for lack of controversy?

 

[estesbob]

Its looks like the mayor of New York is having second thoughts about marching this year in the parade.

So much for lack of controversy?

The parade has become nothing more than another event for "victim " groups to make their presence known. They really should drop the name of Saint Patrick from the parade as there is no religious connotations to them anymore . How about Irish day parade?

I have a world of respect for Cardinal Dolan but I think it’s time that he seriously examined whether the Churches participation in this parade is a cause for scandal .

By the way, obviously I’m not a New Yorker, but does anybody really care whether the mayor marches in the parade or not ? Perhaps he is afraid that the numerous police along the route will turn their back on him .

 

[gam197]

The parade has become nothing more than another event for "victim " groups to make their presence known. They really should drop the name of Saint Patrick from the parade as there is no religious connotations to them anymore . How about Irish day parade?

I have a world of respect for Cardinal Dolan but I think it’s time that he seriously examined whether the Churches participation in this parade is a cause for scandal .

By the way, obviously I’m not a New Yorker, but does anybody really care whether the mayor marches in the parade or not ? Perhaps he is afraid that the numerous police along the route will turn their back on him .

But New Yorkers do notice if their mayor marches or not. It is called political power.

The ACLU is suing the Boston parade.

boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2015/02/12/veterans-for-peace-aclu-sue-city-over-patrick-parade-application/Cw2cmlTGw5D4Ukj0Bz88nI/story.html

I love the parade and always saw it as a family day. Everyone does not drink as there are many families that bring young children and it brings community together because everyone is “Irish” for one day.

The whole goal was to keep politics out of it but we are naive and see that that cannot happen in America any longer. Please remember that the Supreme Court has already ruled that this parade does not have to include anyone that they don’t want to including pro-life displays which is fine.

 

[Phil502]

“Make no mistake: It’s not an ineffable longing to march up Fifth Avenue to the sound of fife and drum that motivates these groups. They are propelled, rather, by a deep desire to tar Catholics as bigots, and so to make them, their views, and their Church completely unacceptable to polite society.”
crisismagazine.com/2015/latest-controversy-st-patricks-day-parade

Exactly, otherwise they would be appalled to march in it.

This has been going on since I was a kid. The scheduler elites of Boston won’t rest until ever bit of Catholic culture is stomped out in the city. This isn’t about not wanting to march next to gay people. The parade was traditionally associated with the holy day and in a lot of ways is about Saint Patrick himself. If you’re gay and want to march that’s fine, but why do you need to be singled out in a group? What does that have to do with any part of St. Patrick’s day? It’s just poor taste. I am against gay marriage, but if they were having a pride parade, I would never dare insist that I be allowed to march in their parade with pro traditional marriage signs and flags. Irish culture has long been stamped out of Massachusetts.

Thats how I view the motivation also.

 

[marymary1975]

Really? They couldn’t march in a secular parade with a group of gay veterans. I love military types whether gay or straight because they keep us safe and I’m not impressed with people who refuse to march in parades with them because of their orientation.

The issue is that this is not a secular parade. This is a religious parade! This is the celebration of St Patrick a catholic saint from Ireland. The fact that secularism took over the parade is a completely different story but this is supposedly to be a religious parade that was hijacked by secularism and ever since the Catholics has been slowly withdrawing their presence from the parade, including the arzobishop from Boston who I thin withdrew from the parade a while ago.

 

[marymary1975]

The parade may not have meaning for you, but it does for many, many others.

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Well it does have meaning. Originally it did have meaning for the Irish Catholics in Massachusetts who had to fight tooth and nail to be able to practice their religion when they arrived at a places controlled by protestants and puritans who were against catholicism and did not allow them to practice. The parade was an expression of identity of the Irish catholicism in Massachusetts until political and secular groups started to try eliminate any reminiscence of Catholicism in the parade. As stated before this has been going on years and it was even taken to the Courts where secular groups won and catholic groups were forced to withdraw from the parade. Now the meaning is go get drunk and express every possible aspect of sin that you can so catholics can see that secularism won over them.

 

[gam197]

Well it does have meaning. Originally it did have meaning for the Irish Catholics in Massachusetts who had to fight tooth and nail to be able to practice their religion when they arrived at a places controlled by protestants and puritans who were against catholicism and did not allow them to practice. The parade was an expression of identity of the Irish catholicism in Massachusetts until political and secular groups started to try eliminate any reminiscence of Catholicism in the parade. As stated before this has been going on years and it was even taken to the Courts where secular groups won and catholic groups were forced to withdraw from the parade. Now the meaning is go get drunk and express every possible aspect of sin that you can so catholics can see that secularism won over them.

When did secular groups win in the courts and catholic groups were force to leave? I have never heard of this.

I have only heard of the Supreme Court lawsuit which the catholics won in Boston in that they don’t have politicize the parade and can invite who they choose to invite.

There are lovely Saint Patrick days parades and they are not just in Boston, New York and Chicago. They are in many smaller areas at least in the Northeast. Newport RI has one, Manchester NH has one and I think just about every state here has at least one parade.

I agree that the parade has taken on a more parade attitude but still. there are many floats dedicated to Saint Patrick and the rosary and many families go so.

Mayor DeBlasio will not march.

DE Blasio skipped the march a year ago and currently intends to do so again, aides to the mayor said on Monday.

theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/nyc-mayor-to-skip-st-patricks-parade/story-fn3dxix6-1227245797151

 

[frobert]

Regarding marriage, the organization opposes the Christian Faith - in fact, opposes the whole Natural Law that the United States was built on. The Natural Law is deeply woven into the founding documents of our country, and was already in place long before any branch of the U. S. Military. Whether the organization has gay members is not the issue, the issue is the anti-Christian agenda, even if the organization had no gay members.

What if the KKK formed a unit for veterans; would they be allowed to march in next year’s parade?

Would you care if a gay group said they would not march in a parade that xyc catholic organization marched and say we have the right to free speech and it is our choice and their choice to march or not?

 

[frobert]

What is interesting is that the Church thinks no one is noticing this.

Many if not most in the Church have no idea that this is happening. They go to mass but they don’t hear of this and of course, there is no announcement or anything of that kind.

So the Church Heirarchy believes that they can have one gay group, get their funding from Guinness and Sam Adam beer back and everyone is happy. I truly believe that is what they think.

They are really not interested in the moral of it or they are in denial. but believe they are pleasing everyone. That is my take on all this.

There is a petition asking Cardinal Dolan to step down from being the Grand Marshall of the New York Saint Patrick’s Day parade from Lifesite. Please sign.

lifesitenews.com/petitio…ctivist/440003

Be careful about what you wish for. It is possible that more gays than straights are welcoming the petition. On the bright side, if the cardinal steps down you can complain that was the gay lobby that made him do so.

 

[gam197]

Be careful about what you wish for. It is possible that more gays than straights are welcoming the petition. On the bright side, if the cardinal steps down you can complain that was the gay lobby that made him do so.

The gay groups don’t want him to step down.

I would not complain at all but simply say that it is church doctrine and I certainly wouldn’t blame the gay lobby.

 

[Catholic_farmer]

It’s a public parade held in a public place. I don’t see how any one group should have a say in whether or not another group participates. For the parents watching with their children, there are teachable moments and an opportunity to explain Catholic teachings while encouraging a loving attitude towards all people. I have no problem with groups choosing to participate or not participate. But they should think very carefully about choosing to stay away. Are we supposed to hide our faith under a basket or let the light shine for all to see? In fact, if all Catholic organizations stay home, that means that we forfeit all claims on the saint for which the day is named after. That would be very sad.

Now, the NYC parade is run by a private group, I believe, so the rules are different.

We have a parade and Celtic festival near me that is almost entirely secular. I’m going to teach a little Irish there. And say the prayers in Irish at the end of the class, for those who wish to hear them. I suppose I could just stay home and pout because of all the secular events and groups represented, but then, there might not be anything at the event to remind anyone of St Patrick and the faith he brough to the Irish people.

 

[gam197]

It’s a public parade held in a public place. I don’t see how any one group should have a say in whether or not another group participates. For the parents watching with their children, there are teachable moments and an opportunity to explain Catholic teachings while encouraging a loving attitude towards all people. I have no problem with groups choosing to participate or not participate. But they should think very carefully about choosing to stay away. Are we supposed to hide our faith under a basket or let the light shine for all to see? In fact, if all Catholic organizations stay home, that means that we forfeit all claims on the saint for which the day is named after. That would be very sad.

Now, the NYC parade is run by a private group, I believe, so the rules are different.

We have a parade and Celtic festival near me that is almost entirely secular. I’m going to teach a little Irish there. And say the prayers in Irish at the end of the class, for those who wish to hear them. I suppose I could just stay home and pout because of all the secular events and groups represented, but then, there might not be anything at the event to remind anyone of St Patrick and the faith he brough to the Irish people.

This is a parade that for over 250 years has been dedicated to Saint Patrick.

If the parade had been dedicated to the Virgin Mary then many would feel the same, that this is a very special parade and should be in line with church doctrine.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that the parade organizers do not have to include any political groups. This case came about when gay groups in Boston tried to enter.

The parade I believe was canceled for one year and once the court’s ruling came down, then they were allow to include the floats and such that honor the meaning of the parade.

Just because it is in a public place does not mean that any group can participate. If that was the case then we would have female players on the football team or male girl scouts.

If they feel, they cannot do that, then change the name of the parade to something else and keep the catholic floats and groups out of it or else cancel it.

Another group has applied to march next year, the Lavender and Green, a group of professional Irishmen so will this become the second group. The controversy goes on.

irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/A-solutions-to-the-NYC-St-Patricks-Day-Parade-debacle-should-be-found-this-year.html

 

[Catholic_farmer]

So, the parade in Boston is run by a private organization? My apologies. I didn’t realize that. Then the rules that apply to the parade NYC should apply to Boston. The parade organizers are in a heck of a spot. They should not forbid any LGBT participants. That is clearly wrong. But a gay veterans’ group? Or a charitable organization that helps people with HIV/AIDS? It’s much more clear for groups that are promoting gay pride because that is obviously promoting a lifestyle that is in direct conflict with the teachings of the Church. However, these mixed groups make things very difficult. We are supposed to be loving towards our neighbors. We’re supposed to help the sick and needy. We’re supposed to honor our veterans. I’d hate to be the parade organizers facing those decisions.

If I were in a Catholic group that was participating, I would go. I would leave it the parade organizers to figure out who can or cannot march. If you are representing a local Catholic school and that inspires somebody, then that’s good. I have seen conflicting groups in parades before. It doesn’t invalidate one message to see another. All you do by staying home is fail to show a different point of view. Love thy neighbor and leave the rest up to God.

 

[gam197]

So, the parade in Boston is run by a private organization? My apologies. I didn’t realize that. Then the rules that apply to the parade NYC should apply to Boston. The parade organizers are in a heck of a spot. They should not forbid any LGBT participants. That is clearly wrong. But a gay veterans’ group? Or a charitable organization that helps people with HIV/AIDS? It’s much more clear for groups that are promoting gay pride because that is obviously promoting a lifestyle that is in direct conflict with the teachings of the Church. However, these mixed groups make things very difficult. We are supposed to be loving towards our neighbors. We’re supposed to help the sick and needy. We’re supposed to honor our veterans. I’d hate to be the parade organizers facing those decisions.

If I were in a Catholic group that was participating, I would go. I would leave it the parade organizers to figure out who can or cannot march. If you are representing a local Catholic school and that inspires somebody, then that’s good. I have seen conflicting groups in parades before. It doesn’t invalidate one message to see another. All you do by staying home is fail to show a different point of view. Love thy neighbor and leave the rest up to God.

How could this be possible. You can’t just open the parade and allow say marriage equality gay groups and think, who cares.

No matter what is said about the parade, it’s name and intent is to honor a saint. Could we do the same if we had a Virgin Mary parade?

As catholics, we all know that we are to love our neighbors especially our gay neighbors but I don’t see how including political groups in a non political parade makes us more welcoming.

 

[Catholic_farmer]

I re-read what I wrote and I can see where it was confusing.

I meant to say that political groups that promote LGBT lifestyles are clearly not the type of groups that would be appropriate in a Catholic based, privately run, parade. However, it gets a bit fuzzy when gay veterans’ groups or charitable organizations that help primarily LGBT people ask to take part. As far as individuals, if an member of an acceptable organization is also gay, they should NOT be excluded. They are representing a group, rather than promoting their lifestyle. That would be kind of like saying if you are divorced and remarried without an annulment, you can’t march in the parade. Does that make more sense?

 

[gam197]

I re-read what I wrote and I can see where it was confusing.

I meant to say that political groups that promote LGBT lifestyles are clearly not the type of groups that would be appropriate in a Catholic based, privately run, parade. However, it gets a bit fuzzy when gay veterans’ groups or charitable organizations that help primarily LGBT people ask to take part. As far as individuals, if an member of an acceptable organization is also gay, they should NOT be excluded. They are representing a group, rather than promoting their lifestyle. That would be kind of like saying if you are divorced and remarried without an annulment, you can’t march in the parade. Does that make more sense?

Yes

Gays have always been allowed to march. It is only when political, by that I mean actively forming a group to achieve something. that it causes a problem. The parade organizers usually don’t allow these groups to hold banners proclaiming their activism. but this year they will.

This is where the church is trying to split hairs but it is often impossible to do. Many if not most activist group are not just involved in rights that all people should have such as the right to work or participate in society without injury but also by evangelizing through their web sites for issues such as gay marriage.

A second group has applied so we will see what happens.

 

[gam197]

Now, incredibly, at a time when real Catholics are leaving the parade, the Massachusetts State Council of the Knights of Columbus—who never marched in the parade before, at least in the last thirty years—have announced that they will march in the 2015 Boston Saint Patrick’s Day Parade.

angelqueen.org/2015/03/05/massachusetts-knights-of-columbus-will-march-in-the-2015-boston-saint-patricks-day-parade/

It’s official…

Mayor DeBlasio, who is of Italian descent and non-practicing catholic, will not march.

wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-mayor-bill-de-blasio-says-he-wont-march-in-st-patricks-day-parade-1425518315

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio on Wednesday said he didn’t plan to march in the St. Patrick’s Day Parade on Fifth Avenue because the event’s organizers hadn’t done enough to include gay groups.

“I made very clear that there has to be more progress for me to consider marching in the parade,” he said. “I think a lot of other leaders feel the same way.”