Catholic school refuses to promote promiscuity via HPV vaccination

[HouseArrest]

GemmaRose:
I am of the group that does not appreciate the government or any kind of organization for that matter stepping in where they don’t belong. I don’t care how uneducated “they” think people are or how “they” are doing everyone a favor by “providing” for my or anyone elses kids. It’s none of “they’re” business. Sooner or later we might as well give up custody. I don’t think I or other parents need officials providing things we didn’t ask for. And as for not touching it with a ten foot pole, I meant I wouldn’t want to get into that situation of “helping people out” in areas where they don’t belong. And just because someone doesn’t get their kids what other people think they need does not make them bad parents. Maybe they are conscious decisions?? Maybe not, but unless there is abuse (I suppose we would differ on what consitutes that) I don’t think the gov’t or the school needs to step in.

 

[HouseArrest]

Originally Posted by HouseArrest
The school does not have to allow vaccination on the premises - if a parent wants a vaccine, why don’t they go to the doctor’s office to get it? Why do schools have to take care of EVERYTHING your child needs? And do you even WANT them to?
Why?

Just because you are on the road to winning parent-of-the-year award, does not mean that other children are so fortunate.

The schools do it because of (a) all the families who won’t get it done because they have no medical insurance, and (b) all the irresponsible individuals who choose to reproduce but who do not choose to fulfill parental obligations.

This is where we disagree. I don’t believe in intervention of schools or agencies at this level. It is the parents’ decision, no matter how dumb you think they are. And there are other ways to get vaccinations without turning to the schools.

When I was in 1st grade, we all received our polio vacines in (Catholic) school and I bet our parents were quite grateful since they had lived through the epidemic of putting a healthy child to bed and waking up to find a paralyzed child.

If I were the school official I wouldn’t allow it either. I wouldn’t touch that with a 10 foot pole.
And if, God forbid, your daughter someday lay dying in your arms of cervical cancer because the man she married lied to her about his being a virgin, if she asks, “Why didn’t you have me vaccinated, Mom?”, what will you say to her then? “Sorry, dear. I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole” ?

I wasn’t talking about me and my decision to vaccinate or not. I was talking about if I were a school official. I would leave this one up to the parents and the medical community.

 

[MakeUpArtist]

And if, God forbid, your daughter someday lay dying in your arms of cervical cancer because the man she married lied to her about his being a virgin, if she asks, “Why didn’t you have me vaccinated, Mom?”, what will you say to her then? “Sorry, dear. I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole” ?

Maybe I should have my daughter(I don’t really have one.) get a mastectomy so she doesn’t lay in my arms dying of breast cancer someday. That’s far more likely than her ever having cervical cancer.

 

[HouseArrest]

Maybe I should have my daughter(I don’t really have one.) get a mastectomy so she doesn’t lay in my arms dying of breast cancer someday. That’s far more likely than her ever having cervical cancer.

Yeah, I agree with you here. The most recent post of mine is a compilation of my original, then someone’s comments, then my comments again. It’s all messed up because of the bad copy job I did.

 

[HouseArrest]

The school does not have to allow vaccination on the premises - if a parent wants a vaccine, why don’t they go to the doctor’s office to get it? Why do schools have to take care of EVERYTHING your child needs? And do you even WANT them to?
Why?

**Just because you are on the road to winning parent-of-the-year award, does not mean that other children are so fortunate.

The schools do it because of (a) all the families who won’t get it done because they have no medical insurance, and (b) all the irresponsible individuals who choose to reproduce but who do not choose to fulfill parental obligations.**
This is where we disagree. I don’t believe in intervention of schools or agencies at this level. It is the parents’ decision, no matter how dumb you think they are. And there are other ways to get vaccinations without turning to the schools.
When I was in 1st grade, we all received our polio vacines in (Catholic) school and I bet our parents were quite grateful since they had lived through the epidemic of putting a healthy child to bed and waking up to find a paralyzed child.

If I were the school official I wouldn’t allow it either. I wouldn’t touch that with a 10 foot pole.
And if, God forbid, your daughter someday lay dying in your arms of cervical cancer because the man she married lied to her about his being a virgin, if she asks, “Why didn’t you have me vaccinated, Mom?”, what will you say to her then? “Sorry, dear. I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole” ?
I wasn’t talking about me and my decision to vaccinate or not. I was talking about if I were a school official. I would leave this one up to the parents and the medical community.

There, that’s how it went. I do not claim to be parent of the year, either. Just plugging along like everyone else.

 

[GemmaRose]

People young and old in third-world countries die because of the lack of simple childhood vaccines, as people used to die in this country before vaccines were developed.

All vaccines, in rare cases, cause harmful side effects.

It is a parent’s responsibility to protect their children from harm, however almost all parents in civilized countries get their children vaccinated against diseases that can hurt them.

While some people seem to dwell in a dream world, the reality is that (a) no matter how Catholic you are, (b) no matter how Catholic your family is, (c) no matter how Catholic you’ve raised your children, and (d) no matter how Catholic your daughter is now, none of these is a 100% guaranteed, fool-proof method against pre-marital sex.

Children as young as 11 or 12 have been known to have babies. And don’t let a Catholic school uniform fool you - many Catholic school students, unfortunately, have just as much sex and just as early as their public school counterparts.

Additionally, as I said earlier, if your daughter does abstain until marriage, it doesn’t mean her future husband has.

AND, no one has mentioned the ugly scenario of rape, especially date rate which is not a stranger to campus life.

IMHO, all of the above makes a striking argument for the HPV vaccine.

P.S. I do hope that the poster who wrote -

The problem is that the Culture of Death doesn’t want anyone to believe this, in the inherent dignity of the human person.

Sexual activity, according to the “safe(r) sex” crowd, sex is uncontrollable, animalistic, and should be considered normal for even the youngest of children.

IMHO it is all more indoctrination.

• is not insinuating that I believe in “safe(r) sex” etc. I am a 100% practicing Catholic and agree with all teachings of HMC.

 

[GemmaRose]

Does anyone else notice a similarity between the specious arguments for abortion and those for administering the HPV vaccine? :twocents:

Many of us oppose the government intrusion of the HPV vaccine because we see it for what it is - normalization and rationalization of sexual activity. It is just one more plank in the platform of making people think sex is just an animalistic behavior and is safe from disease.

You might want to be careful about throwing IQ numbers around - you know what they say about book smarts and common sense.

Maybe we can start talking about common sense when your posts show some.

 

[hasikelee]

People young and old in third-world countries die because of the lack of simple childhood vaccines, as people used to die in this country before vaccines were developed.

All vaccines, in rare cases, cause harmful side effects.

It is a parent’s responsibility to protect their children from harm, however almost all parents in civilized countries get their children vaccinated against diseases that can hurt them.

While some people seem to dwell in a dream world, the reality is that (a) no matter how Catholic you are, (b) no matter how Catholic your family is, (c) no matter how Catholic you’ve raised your children, and (d) no matter how Catholic your daughter is now, none of these is a 100% guaranteed, fool-proof method against pre-marital sex.

Children as young as 11 or 12 have been known to have babies. And don’t let a Catholic school uniform fool you - many Catholic school students, unfortunately, have just as much sex and just as early as their public school counterparts.

Additionally, as I said earlier, if your daughter does abstain until marriage, it doesn’t mean her future husband has.

AND, no one has mentioned the ugly scenario of rape, especially date rate which is not a stranger to campus life.

IMHO, all of the above makes a striking argument for the HPV vaccine.

P.S. I do hope that the poster who wrote -

• is not insinuating that I believe in “safe(r) sex” etc. I am a 100% practicing Catholic and agree with all teachings of HMC.

Gemma, I think another to add would be the mutation of the virus…thus making it a more commonly spread disease and not just a sexually transmitted disease.

Unfortunately, the vaccine itself is still laughable so I guess all the debate on the morality of it is moot.

 

[buffalo]

Maybe I should have my daughter(I don’t really have one.) get a mastectomy so she doesn’t lay in my arms dying of breast cancer someday. That’s far more likely than her ever having cervical cancer.

Yeah, and she should not use plastics, the pill, have an abortion, use anti-perspirants, some makeups or pesticides since over 90% of breast cancers are environmental. She should get plenty of Vitamin D.

 

[GemmaRose]

Maybe I should have my daughter(I don’t really have one.) get a mastectomy so she doesn’t lay in my arms dying of breast cancer someday. That’s far more likely than her ever having cervical cancer.

Many women with the breast cancer gene get prophylactic mastectomies to ward off breast cancer.

 

[MakeUpArtist]

Yeah, and she should not use plastics, the pill, have an abortion, use anti-perspirants, some makeups or pesticides since over 90% of breast cancers are environmental. She should get plenty of Vitamin D.

Out of those things you mention the pill is only factor research links to breast cancer. Any woman can get breast cancer! Not every woman can get cervical cancer. It’s extremely rare even with woman who contract the STD that causes it, To inject a foreign substance with unknown risk to prevent an STD that almost never leads to cervical cancer and can be treated when caught in time seems foolish.

 

[buffalo]

Out of those things you mention the pill is only factor research links to breast cancer. Any woman can get breast cancer! Not every woman can get cervical cancer. It’s extremely rare even with woman who contract the STD that causes it, To inject a foreign substance with unknown risk to prevent an STD that almost never leads to cervical cancer and can be treated when caught in time seems foolish.

I agree with you. HPV vac is not necessary.

Environmental estorgens are linked to cancer. They are found in the items I listed above.

 

[MakeUpArtist]

I agree with you. HPV vac is not necessary.

Environmental estorgens are linked to cancer. They are found in the items I listed above.

Yes, I’m sure there are many environmental causes for cancer that we can’t control. I just was trying to make the point that regardless of the choices a woman makes she can still get breast cancer. This is not the case with cervical cancer. In fact, the women most at risk are sex workers.