'Catholic Spring' uprising prediction for Ireland over dissenting priest Father Flannery

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saveusfromhell said:
unforunatly the predidction at fatima, that only portugal will retain the faith, seems to be coming fast to ireland, won’t be long till many present day “catholics” start beating the lambeg drum on the 12th.
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Just read this. :rotfl:
 
Julia_Mae said:
As is what you think. Yet, it’s also not irrelevant, as we are all acting in good Faith based on what we think.

Well, what all did Jesus say to do? You know, He said, Himself, quite clearly, we’d be judged on these things, on charitable acts. So, I’m thinking, as irrelevant as that seems, that these should have a primary place in our practice of Faith. But I only think that because Jesus said it so very very clearly.

I didn’t realize this was about what you questioned or didn’t. Yet, we seem to question Popes, anyway, don’t we? A Pope says to change the Mass and celebrate in the vernacular, and for decades, Catholics challenge and criticize and insist that what is supposed to be “Extraordinary” become “Ordinary” apparently to “fix” a Papal error. As an example.

So I guess a priest disagreeing with a teaching you personally subscribe to is bad, but people challenging a Pope when you disagree with him is okay? So it is about what you think, then?

I’ll go see if I can find some quotes from the priest to put here so we have actual facts to discuss.
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Are you reducing this to a matter of personal opinion? Unlike in the Protestant
Churches, matter of doctrine are not decided by a popular vote. That approach by liberal Protestants has led to their decay into social irrelevance, because they are always going with the flow. Conservative Protestants, or evangelicals, take their stand on the Truth of Scripture. Ironically, what is most true in their interpretation is based on what the Catholic Church has always taught. All true Christians hold to a belief in the bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ. For most of us, we must struggle to hold to that faith, and we waver from day to day, maybe hour by hour, second by second. Liberal Christians say it doesn’t matter, that the “myth” of the Resurrection is enough. That it serves to help us recreate the Garden here on earth. But as many have said, if there is one dogma that it daily proved by human experienced, it is that of Original Sin. The Greeks even had a word for it: hubris. Build bigger and better barns? Death will still come.
 
Yet one hour ago, the vote proclaimed this:

"Irish government rejects access to “limited abortion” despite
horrific testimonies and doctors’ views"

“Ireland’s Dail (Parliament) has overwhelmingly voted in opposition to permitting the practice of abortion under limited circumstances. The new legislation was proposed by Clare Daly of the Socialist Party but was defeated 111 votes in opposition to the 20 votes in favor. … .”

irishcentral.com/news/Irish-government-rejects-access-to-limited-abortion-despite-horrific-testimonies-and-doctors-views-148111405.html

THANKS BE TO GOD!
 
saveusfromhell said:
unforunatly the predidction at fatima, that only portugal will retain the faith, seems to be coming fast to ireland, won’t be long till many present day “catholics” start beating the lambeg drum on the 12th.
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St. Patrick said that God would flood Ireland 7 years before the coming of the Anti-Christ, so that they would never lose the faith.
 
I’m not so sure. Well, I hope I’m not so sure. There was a big debate recently on abortion law in the north of Ireland - relating to the fact that abortions are carried out despite the fact it’s ‘illegal.’ However, Sinn Fein were smart and consulted their electorate before deciding if they were opposed or in favor of abortion. Their electorate were opposed, so Sinn Fein were opposed on that basis. Clever political move.

There is no doubt there is great opposition to abortion in the north. I think we are very fortunate in that most people here are still opposed to it.
 
saveusfromhell said:
Gus is replying to this statement, so it is relevant and not a straw man.
personally i have heard this citted by the irish independent irish times and on rte 1.

anyone who believes that the media does provide a fair and balanced approach on the Irish church needs to read patsy mcgarrity in the Irish times or when he is interviewed as the religious affairs correspondent for pat Kenny,
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Anyone who speaks like this needs to read the Ryan and Murthy reports, or counsel survivors of the regime of terror here.

As always there is so much spin going around and at least the press avoid and challenge that.

Damaged people tend to react with anger that is entirely justifiable. There was nothing fair or balanced in the actions of the Church.
 
Still totally irrlelevant.

OK so how do the laity bear the fault here? Because this is simply not true, given the control the Church abrogated over every facet of Irish life. That is what you are not getting!

What the Pope did in his youth is also irelevant.
 
Hopemercy said:
Still totally irrlelevant.

OK so how do the laity bear the fault here? Because this is simply not true, given the control the Church abrogated over every facet of Irish life. That is what you are not getting!

What the Pope did in his youth is also irelevant.
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Over many years the Irish Government allowed the Church to have too much control in society because it suited them to!
 
minkymurph said:
I’m not so sure. Well, I hope I’m not so sure. There was a big debate recently on abortion law in the north of Ireland - relating to the fact that abortions are carried out despite the fact it’s ‘illegal.’ However, Sinn Fein were smart and consulted their electorate before deciding if they were opposed or in favor of abortion. Their electorate were opposed, so Sinn Fein were opposed on that basis. Clever political move.

There is no doubt there is great opposition to abortion in the north. I think we are very fortunate in that most people here are still opposed to it.
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Sinn Fein were exposed as liars yesterday when it came to a vote in the Dail!
Bernadette Smith added, “To Sinn Fein’s shame, they voted in support of this Abortion Bill. Their speeches at Easter claiming they want an Irish Republic based on the 1916 Proclamation are now exposed as lies. The Proclamation calls on Irish people to cherish all the children of the nation. The question Sinn Fein now has to answer is, how can they cherish children while supporting killing children before they’re born?”
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preciouslife.com/?va=1&vc=1134
 
BlueSapphire said:
Sinn Fein were exposed as liars yesterday when it came to a vote in the Dail!

preciouslife.com/?va=1&vc=1134
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And they weren’t exposed as liars before that? 😃

As if a member of Sinn Fein, or any politician for that matter would lie. :rolleyes:

On a more serious note, are you saying they voted for abortion in the Dail? What I was getting at in my post is their policy was determined by the fact they didn’t want to loose the support of their electorate rather than any moral issue. If their electorate were in support of abortion, that would be their policy. One has to admit it’s a shrewd political move, all be it not a very moral one, but it is the world of politics. As such, in my view Sinn Fein are political cameleon’s when it comes to policy, and if your saying they voted for abortion in the Dail, it kind of proves my point.
 
Julia_Mae said:
I wish someplace there were actual quotes from the man.
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The article provided this direct quote from what he had written:“Opening up the ministry of the church to laypeople, to married people, to priests, to women. In other words, not confining it to the male celibate priesthood as we’ve had in the past…"
This issue is closed as far as the ordination of women is concerned. It is an infallible teaching that a priest must be male and Fr. Flannery does everyone a disservice when he preaches otherwise.

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Hopemercy said:
They wouldn’t have him! Would any church?
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I have no idea. I’m not the one claiming he should leave.
Is he still Catholic? in the true sense?
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What is “the true sense”? As far as I know he hasn’t been excommunicated.
Given that he is opposing the Authitory of the Pope himslf? And exhorting many others to do the same.
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There’s lots of spats in the Church, nothing new here.
 
NewEnglandPriest said:
What is “the true sense”? As far as I know he hasn’t been excommunicated.
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One does not have to be excommunicated to no longer be a Catholic.
Actually only those are to be included (annumerandi) as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body (neque a Corporis compage semet ipsos misere separarunt)… (Pius XII)
I have some trouble with the concept of heresy ( “… the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith” ) but it seems clear both that the teaching that women may not be ordained is one that “must be believed” and that Fr. Flannery doesn’t believe it. Which naturally raises two questions: does this make him a heretic and would a heretic not be considered to have separated himself from the unity of the Body?

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Hopemercy:
Anyone who speaks like this needs to read the Ryan and Murthy reports, or counsel survivors of the regime of terror here
]As always there is so much spin going around and at least the press avoid and challenge that.

Damaged people tend to react with anger that is entirely justifiable. There was nothing fair or balanced in the actions of the Church.

i am tired replying to rubbish, i’m not even sure you have been able to comprehend what has been posted. The strawman argument you quote to jharek? The church is everybody who believes. The Ryan report I have heard enough of to be sickened. the media particularly in patsy mcgarrity is anything but fair and spin is there game.
 
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