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- The 4 gospels were written by their attributing author none of which include St. Paul.
- The Acts of the Apostles was likely written by the same author as the Gospel According to St. Luke (See Above).
- The Catholic Letters (Heb, Jas, I&II Pet, I,II,&III Jn, Jd) have different authors (most of which are by the first Pope St. Peter and the Apostle St. John).
- The Apocalypse (Revelation) is written by either the Apostle John or John of Patmos.
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Delta2
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(John 20,30)
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
We can’t rely only in a single book
He taught many things in private
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paarsurrey
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Hi
NTBible is neither authored by GodAllahYHWH nor by JesusYeshuaIssa or authenticated by him.
In fact the four gospels are written by the anonymous authors;
simply go to the Catholic Encyclopedia here:
newadvent.org/cathen/index.html
enter ‘gospel’, hit search and see what it says below
“It thus appears that the present titles of the Gospels are not traceable to the Evangelists themselves”.
newadvent.org/cathen/06655b.htm
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reteeks21
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And what does that mean? Don’t you think that they would have included them in their writings if they thought they were drastic and life-changing? Besides, it says He “did”, not “said”.
And if you use that arguement, does that not mean that we could all just make stuff up and say Jesus could have said this or done that?
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mercygate
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Catholics think it’s in the Bible. You think it’s in the Bible. The Orthodox think it’s in the Bible. The Anglicans think it’s in the Bible. Mainstream Protestants think it’s in the Bible. But it is not – at least in the sense that it is unequivocally articulated beyond all dispute.
Plenty of people (Arians, Nestorians, Gnostics) at the time of the definition of the doctrine in the fourth century had no concept of the Trinity as the Church understood/understands it, and rejected it heartily. In fact, the definition of the Holy Trinity, as understood by the universal Church, required the controversial introduction of an entirely non-Biblical word: homoousion.
Nope: Trinity is not in the Bible. It is consistent with Scripture but it is not defined in Scripture. For that, you need the Church, to which the Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans and mainstream Protestants (who know the history of the faith) all attest and in which they all concur.
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Benadam
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How do you determine that a revelation is divine?
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Benadam
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How do you determine that?
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Lilyflower
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Thank you for your very kind wordsGreat thread, Lilyflower!
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Lilyflower
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Why isn’t 'Catholic mentioned in Acts?Which is to say, the Catholic Church. There were
no Anglicans prior to 1534. The Early Church and the Catholic Church are one and the same thing.
It does; “Katolikos” means “Catholic.”
Mercygate posted:
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emeraldisle
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All biblical Truth originates from God and He clearly teaches us in His written word the Truth of the trinity.
The Lord Jesus said the following words;
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom **the Father **will send in My name, He will teach you all things, John 14:26
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jmcrae
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Where in that passage does it state that the Father, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus are each distinct Persons who are members of one God?
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Lilyflower
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But Scrpture also says: There is much else that Jesus did that are not recorded in this book Jn Jn21:25. These things were passed on by oral transmission and are now part of sacred tradition as valid as the written word
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mercygate
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Em, you are reading into those words something which the words, taken in themselves, cannot support. The Mormons, reading those same words, see the Holy Spirit only as a “messenger” spirit not of the same substance as the Father. It cannot be demonstrated from Scripture alone that the Holy Spirit is a divine Person.
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emeraldisle
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Imo you are scraping the bottom of the barrel when you use the argument of what the “Mormons” believe to disprove the Truth of the trinity in John 14:26.
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emeraldisle
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jmcrae
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God states the obvious through the Catholic Church. Those who don’t believe the Catholic Church end up believing like the Mormons, etc. It is only a short step from denying the authority of the Councils of the Church, to denying their actual findings, too.
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SIA
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Good question. Kind of like where does the Bible specifically say that Purgatory exists?
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mercygate
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Em, this is the whole point. A Trinitarian sees the “obvious” in Scripture because we “know” the Holy Spirit is a divine Person: co-equal, consubstantial, and co-eternal with the Father and the Son. But from Scripture ALONE, apart from the faith of the Church, as defined in the great fourth Century Councils, it is not obvious that the Holy Spirit is a divine Person. Those very terms derive from the conciliar definitions.
The verse you quote from John 14 does not support the weight you give it. The very translation you quoted simply uses the word “helper” for the Spirit. There is no inevitable attribution of divine Personhood.
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mercygate
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Point taken. And that IS the very point about the Trinity.
Purgatory IS in Scripture, and the evidence is abundant. But like the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, it requires reading Scripture from the heart of the Church that wrote the New Testament. You see the Trinity or Purgatory only when (as St. Paul advises) the eyes of your heart are opened.
Protestants tend to see Catholics as mindlessly accepting things “because your Church tells you they are true.” Catholics tend to see Protestants as refusing to see things simply “because the Catholic Church believes them to be true” rather than because they are not true.
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