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RickHolland
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What is the mother-in-law, religious beliefs? Maybe concern would be more appropriate than anger?
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Robert_in_SD
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Hello Pepeluali;
I would add to what others posted that Baptists tend to have a lot of misconceptions about the Catholic faith. They will say that their christianity is simply following what the bible teaches, and that Catholics have a lot of “extrabiblical” doctrines and practices that “christians” object to. Some of the things they reject include: (1) the mass as sacrifice; (2) infant baptism; (3) confession to a priest; (4) the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist; (5) veneration of the saints and mary; (6) prayers to the saints; and (7) purgatory. Generally, their attitude is that if it’s not clearly taught from scripture it is an addition to the gospel and - at best - unnecessary for salvation. Some may go as far as calling Catholics non-Christian. Many would say that the reformation rescued the Church from pagan practices that the Catholic Church imposed on christianity. Others would say that the Catholic Church is like an anchor that is encrusted with barnacles that detract from the truth and prevent one from having a real relationship with Jesus Christ. So, you may get some challenging questions from baptists at their bible study.
There’s a great book by Karl Keating called Catholicism and Fundamentalism, which addresses many common misconceptions by non-Catholics. It may be a usefull guide for addressing questions as they come up.
The baptist faith of today has roots in Calvinism, so if you go online to study about it, you can find lots about their beliefs by reading about Calvin’s teaching. Here’s a good place to start, from the Catholic perspective: Baptists
Hope this helps.
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po18guy
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Welcome to the forums, Ben. Guatemala is beautiful, and the Guatemalan coffee is exquisite. I could retire there.
Christ’s peace be with you.
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pipper
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Telling the truth, Baptists have no zero sacraments. They call baptism and the “Lord’s Supper” ordinances, These 2 ordinances are symbolic only and have no spiritual effect.
The entire faith of baptists consists of only one thing and that is “gettin saved” once one is “saved” he can do anything they want and still go to heaven.
OSAS came from Calvinism where it is called “the perseverance of the saints”. Southern Baptists are semi Calvinistic. But primative Baptists (also called hard shell Baptists) are completely Calvinistic, they never evangelise since they beleive that God has predestined some for heaven and most of us for hell. There is nothing we can do to change it and evangelising would be a waste of time.
Some Baptist traditions I can think of are altar calls. Sermon centered services. Unvested clergy, unparticipative extempore prayer, and the “Lord’s Supper” only four times a year as an addition to and after the usual preaching service. They take “supper” literally and usually observe it after the evening service. Most Baptists go to church 3xs a week twice on sunday and then on wednesday evening they go to “prayer meeting”.
Another Baptist tradition is never singing the Amens at the end of hymns even when amens are in the “song book” they are never sung.
Another Baptist tradition from old time Baptists is they love the piano and dislike the organ. They will have a grand piano on the gospel side and an electric organ console on the epistle side. But the organ when played is played very softly.
And now days they have rock or country bands. And the choir which sits across the front of the church sings “specials” often to only a tape.
A Baptist church is mostly arranged in only one way. The Lord’s Supper table very small is on the floor at the front. Some Baptist congregations do away with if completey only moving it in for the rare “Lords Supper” they never have a cross on it and never candles, occasionaly flowers and an open bible.
Behind the table is and elevated pulpit for the preacher to stand behind and not in.
Behind the pulpit is the choir, and at the very back usually behind curtians and sometimes with a painting of a river flowing into it is the pool for submerrsion type baptisms.
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Cluny
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<<They call baptism and the “Lord’s Supper” ordinances,>>
This is one place (among many) where the KJV fudged things.
The Greek word used in 1 Cor 11:12–when talking about the Eucharist–is the SAME word translated elsewhere as “traditions.”
This is one place (among many) where the KJV fudged things.
The Greek word used in 1 Cor 11:12–when talking about the Eucharist–is the SAME word translated elsewhere as “traditions.”
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banarick
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Im talking to some Baptist Successionist who believe they were the first Christians. They refer to a quote from a Cardinal Hosius from the Council of Trent timeframe. It is not in his collected writings. I would think he wrote in Latin and there is a posting on the Seannity website from fox channel that apparently says the latin is mistranslated so it cant be him. Can anyone elaborate and verify? I dont know how to get into the site and actually only trust this one when it comes to religion. Thanks The computer and Latin illiterate bana rick ha ha
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humble_maid
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Hi and welcome,
Your thread is Catholic verses Southern Baptists, do you mean to imply that there is an opposition of some sort going on between the two. If so, you best be well informed about your own faith and be prepared to answer it with conviction. Please check out this site, it is a reliable source for catholics. You can find info on almost any subject concerning the history of our church, scriptures etc.newadvent.org/
I would like to ask you why did your friend come to one of your youth meetings? Is it out of curiosity, or truth seeking?
Just another thing, refer to Jatkins’ post.
I hope and pray for you and your family Jatkin. God Bless and welcome.
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RickHolland
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1 Cor. 11:12 For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God.
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AdrianP
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Sacred Tradition means valid historical document that contradict Protestant teachings, so they cannot accept them cause their novelties would not stand. So they created their own historical documents that speak about years 100, 200 and such but writtent after 1500 and that matches what they believe.
Samples:
Before 1500 all historical documents speak about baptising children. In 1700 some US Americans started being baptised as mature because they wanted to delay tax payment that was linked with baptised people.
Before 1500 all historical documents speak about prayers for the dead. Look for Liturgy of Apostle and Evanglist Mark:
ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf07.xii.iii.html
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Jason_1977
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this topic sounds like a pay per view main event bout! lol just go there, keep an open mind, and watch how they do things. watch how they talk to each other. Its very different. You’re going to find a lot of biblical teachings which are not going to be new to you, what will be new is how they behave & what their idea of reverence is. They’re a different crowd.
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O.S.Luke
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The SEARCH function is your friend. Discussed (and cussed) in depth here.
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Zenas
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Becky, it’s interesting you say that. Being a Southern Baptist, I know how tenaciously they cling to this belief. With me, however, it has always been different. I always thought the idea of OSAS was stupid. How, I wondered, could God take a person to Heaven who has led a bad life? As I got older and began to study scripture, I learned how truly wrong the OSAS crowd really is. I also became convinced that scripture teaches baptismal regeneration. At that point, I began looking around to see how other faiths treated these doctrines.
Then one day I was reading through the Gospel of John and came across John 20:23 (if you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them). I had read this verse many times before but this time it hit me right between the eyes. Maybe the Catholics have it right after all, I thought. Since then, I have studied a lot about Catholicism and have found their faith to be more in line with scripture than any other denomination. I’m not all the way there yet but I’m getting pretty close.
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Please consider spending time before our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. Call a Catholic parish and ask about adoration. Many a heart has been called home after adoring our Eucharistic Lord. May the Lord bless you on your journey. Amen.
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Ben_F
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po18guy. I’m always reminded of forgive them for they no not what they do. Jesus God made humans for eternity. He’s not going to let a fallen angel take what’s his or disrupt his devine plan. That’s just the way he is. He wants us forever.
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sleeper987
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If you want to know the differences between Southern Baptists and Catholics a great book to read is David Currie’s “Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic”
amazon.com/Born-Fundamentalist-Again-Catholic/dp/089870569X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253982513&sr=8-2
The book started out as a letter he was writing to his father who is a Southern Baptist minister to help explain why he entered the Catholic Church. It is extremely well written and an easy to read book that covers many of the differences between the two faiths.
amazon.com/Born-Fundamentalist-Again-Catholic/dp/089870569X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253982513&sr=8-2
The book started out as a letter he was writing to his father who is a Southern Baptist minister to help explain why he entered the Catholic Church. It is extremely well written and an easy to read book that covers many of the differences between the two faiths.
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Paul3144
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That’s semi-true. There’s no problem with the word “sacrament” in and of itself. The only reason I use the word ordinance is because of Baptist tradition.
This ticks me off, big time. Yes, the SBC believes in the Perseverance of the Saints. Once a person comes to faith in Christ, that person begins a process of sanctification that goes throughout the regererate person’s life. You CAN NOT do whatever you want and get to heaven. JonNC’s quote from Luther in his signature sums it up well: “There is no justification without sanctification, no forgiveness without renewal of life, no real faith from which the fruits of new obedience do not grow.”
This is ignorance on the level of Protestants saying “Catholics worship Mary.”
First, some Baptists vest the clergy, but not my church and not most. The choir, of which I am a member, wears robes. It is true we don’t have Communion often enough, I’ll give you that point. Although, if I want to recieve Communion in between when my church has it, I could attend a mid-week service at a Methodist or Episcopal church.
True, but very few songs in the Baptist Hymnal have them. We do on occasion, however.
Not true, at least at my church. We have one of the best digital organs in the world and a highly talanted organist.
We do not sing to tracks. The Chancel Choir the organ, piano and Chancel Orchestra to accompany us.
We do only have the table for when we have the Lord’s Supper.
We have an elevated platform with our pulpit, and yes, the choir is in the chancel. Our baptistry is elevated above the choir on the back wall in a visually pleasing way. I should take a picture of our chancel for you all. We also have wonderful stained glass windows in our old building that we use for weddings and funerals and for our youth group to meet in on Sundays.
Here are some pics of our old building from when it was featured in a historic church tour. It was designed in 1903:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/images/history/historic_church_tour/p1060106.JPG
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/images/history/historic_church_tour/p1060108.JPG
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/images/history/historic_church_tour/p1060104.JPG
I’ll take some pics of our current building tomorrow.
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Harsalter
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Baptists have two sacraments whether they know it or not, “baptism and marriage”, both recognized by the Catholic Church as true sacraments. That’s one more than Mormons have, but six shy of the true Church.
I was batized by my southern baptist dad when I was a child, and this was recognized by the Catholic Church when I converted, as well as my marriage which was simply in a U.S. Embassy in a foreign country by a military officer.
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kristanl
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PAUL3144
You stated that if you wanted communion in between when your church has it, you will go to an Episcopal or a Methodist church.
May I ask then, if you ever would want it between when your church has it, why would you go to a church that only has it a certain amount of times a year, or why you would go to a different church which has some different beliefs then you?
Also, I have talked to many Southern Baptists who say OSAS means that you can do ANYTHING on Earth, except denounce God and you will go to heaven, because Jesus died for your sins on the cross, so all the sins you commit are already forgiven once you accept Jesus as your lord and personal savior.
Could you explain this to me, in regards to what you said about sancitfication I think??
I’m just wondering what you believe because it seems as though many different churches in the same denomination even teach different things?
You stated that if you wanted communion in between when your church has it, you will go to an Episcopal or a Methodist church.
May I ask then, if you ever would want it between when your church has it, why would you go to a church that only has it a certain amount of times a year, or why you would go to a different church which has some different beliefs then you?
Also, I have talked to many Southern Baptists who say OSAS means that you can do ANYTHING on Earth, except denounce God and you will go to heaven, because Jesus died for your sins on the cross, so all the sins you commit are already forgiven once you accept Jesus as your lord and personal savior.
Could you explain this to me, in regards to what you said about sancitfication I think??
I’m just wondering what you believe because it seems as though many different churches in the same denomination even teach different things?
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Harsalter
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Yea, and that’s why they have splintered into over 40,000 denominations as they have no Church Authority to lead them and keep them straight. When they disagree, they split and create another church or denomination.
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Paul3144
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I go to my church because I agree with my church on matters of doctrine and I love the community, as well as the fact that my entire family has gone there since my great-grandfather joined in 1957. I rarely visit other churches for those reasons. I love learning about other Christian traditions, so I’ll visit another denomination every now and then if it dosen’t conflict with attending my church.
In the SBC, we are Confessional Protestants united around the Baptist Faith and Message while still respecting local church autonomy. These quotes from Articles IV and V of the BF&M should clear things up:
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