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PJM
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pray for them and live yor Catholic faith for all to see.Love and prayers,
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pray for them and live yor Catholic faith for all to see.Love and prayers,
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wmscott
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Amen to that:thumbsup:Good ones!
Then there is also:
1st Peter 3:9] Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling; but on the contrary bless, for to this you have been called, that you may obtain a blessing.
10] For “He that would love life
and see good days,
let him keep his tongue from evil
and his lips from speaking guile;
11] let him turn away from evil and do right;
let him seek peace and pursue it.
12] For the eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous,
and his ears are open to their prayer.
But the face of the Lord is against those that do evil.”
13] Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is right?
14] But even if you do suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled,
15] but in your hearts reverence Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence;
16] and keep your conscience clear, so that, when you are abused, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.
17] For it is better to suffer for doing right, if that should be God’s will, than for doing wrong.
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Black_Knight
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You’re quite welcome.
Most of the folks I have known who left our Catholic faith, (including me) seem to have done so in ignorance or some kind of emotional rebellion and, if I am any example, it takes some dealing with by Our Lord through the Holy Spirit to bring them home. In retrospect I can think of a lot of folks who I’m sure were interceding for me, including and especially the Blessed Virgin. I’ve seen some pretty amazing stuff happen in response to the Divine Mercy Chaplet.
You’re right though that many people want a simple faith, but as I have read the New Testament I have never been able to find that extreme simplicity in there and I think that that is where so many n-Cs have erred.
Regardless, I don’t think that any disagreements about religion justify any form of unChrist-like unkindness to others. Look at the Lord and the Samaritan woman at the well just for example.
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sonny25
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i like this guy. …and roll tide
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sonny25
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Maby so my friend. I just love a good Southern Baptist sermon. Sunday school is always good too. Ive never personally heard a SB say Cathothlics are not Christians. I will bring it up in sunday school though. I will see what they have to say and get back to you guys.hi sonny, dont take this the wrong way, but you are in the minority. no not all baptist, but most. former baptist myself. and one of the things that downright upset me was my congregations attitudes towards Catholics. i like you believed them to be brothers/sisters in Christ. it came to a head, when we were asked in sunday school by the instructor, what we felt about Catholics and Catholocism. i was the only one standing up for them in a room full of antis…well except one. she was a visitor and the intructor was her son. and guess what? the poor woman was Catholic. i have since found out how she was able to keep her cool and grace in such a situation. afterwards she did let it be known that she wasnt to happy, and i was embarrassed by the behavior she had witnessed, and apologized for their comments. never returned to this church. never would. and i was a member there for a number of years. with your kind of tolerance you may end up like me someday…Catholic! maybe not but its good to know people like you are out there. peace
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Black_Knight
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We’ll be prepared to duck n cover.
:stretcher::crutches:
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Springkeeper
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Amazing! I have heard Baptists of all sorts say that Catholics are not Christians. I just walked out of a Wednesday evening service last week after the visiting pastor/missionary stated that Catholics are “el diablo” and then said “you know what I mean, devil worshippers”.
Dozens and dozens of times I have heard anti-Catholic screeds from the pulpit, in Sunday school, women’s Bible study, etc. in Baptist churches from Japan to California to South Carolina to Florida; from Independant Fundamentalist, American, and Southern Baptist.
I mentioned to the Catholic ladies Bible study and prayer group I attend about the Baptist belief that the Pope is the antiChrist and the Catholic church is the whore of Babylon. One dear older lady got misty eyed and said very sadly and quietly “Why would anyone say such awful things?” I didn’t have any kind of good answer for her.
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simspt
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The most historical difference is the founders of each Church. The Catholic Church was directly founded by Jesus and his Apostles some time in the first third of the first century or very soon thereafter. The Baptist Church was not.
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pipper
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I think the biggest difference is in the sacraments, Baptists have two things they call ordinaces, strictly symbolic only. Baptism and the “lord’s supper”. Baptism is for mature beleivers only and by submerrsion only.
Their worship is very different as well. First it is non-liturgical and non participatory. They make their prayers up as they go along, and the people dont say anything, not even Amen.
They don’t even say the Our Father because it is written down.
Baptist worship is like a continual revival meeting and it always ends with an “invitation” for people to come forward and “get saved”.
Their worship is very different as well. First it is non-liturgical and non participatory. They make their prayers up as they go along, and the people dont say anything, not even Amen.
They don’t even say the Our Father because it is written down.
Baptist worship is like a continual revival meeting and it always ends with an “invitation” for people to come forward and “get saved”.
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brb3
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The Post Vatican 2 Catholic Church loves Southern Baptists. :hug1:
Pope JP2 broke bread with Bill Bright [Campus Crusade for Christ] and Billy Graham in late 70’s … and invited them to come to his Poland homeland and hold Evangelical revivals ----- and to interact with the Catholic OASIS fundamentalist, evangelical Catholics.
http:www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/may/13.34.html?start=1
Pope JP2 broke bread with Bill Bright [Campus Crusade for Christ] and Billy Graham in late 70’s … and invited them to come to his Poland homeland and hold Evangelical revivals ----- and to interact with the Catholic OASIS fundamentalist, evangelical Catholics.
http:www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/may/13.34.html?start=1
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Cairisti
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Yes they do. Perhaps not at every Sunday service, but it is said. The “Lord’s Supper” may be presented once a year to several times - depends on the local church. ( I was raised Southern Baptist so I’m familiar with SB’s)
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Anna_Scott
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I grew up in Southern Baptist Churches; and there is a great deal of anti-Catholic sentiment. I didn’t really have a clue what Catholics actually believe, until I came to these forums.
Some of the major “ah-ha” moments have come through discussion with Catholics right here at CAF.
I’m now in a conservative Episcopal Church. I love the liturgy and the Sacraments.
Who knows, I may end up in the Catholic Church one day.
Anna
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Rolltide
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Thanks! Nice of you to say!
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guanophore
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Springkeeper
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How funny- I’m in the process of joining the Catholic church right now because of these forums. I was raised Episcopalian and our church became very liberal so I became a Fundamentalist Landmark Baptist and (much) later during my research of some of their beliefs, I ended up here. I was also pretty clueless about Catholic beliefs. “Catholicism for Dummies” helped me as well as “Catholicism and Fundamentalism”(Keating) and “Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic”(Currie). May the Truth be with you.
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Anna_Scott
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It’s amazing what study of Scripture and history can do. After reading the Bible cover to cover; I realized many Baptist doctrines are not supported in Scripture–It’s ironic, because Baptists claim Sola Scriptura.
With all the turmoil going on in TEC and CoE; I’d say you’re on a good path. I may be right behind you.
Anna
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pipper
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I should have said “not that I know of”. Half of my family was SB and the other half church of Christ and I ever heard it in either.
I an the only Catholic in my family.
Most fundamentalists seem to think if you don’t make up your own prayers it’s not “sincere” and God wont listen.
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Being_Brave
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The biggest differences **I’ve experienced **(other than Eucharist) are definitely in the content of the service. Members aren’t required to participate in the service, just to sit and listen. Baptist service seems to be more “laid-back”, the preachers I’ve had usually have some kind of inside joke or conversation with the members during the service. What I mean by that is they aren’t hesitant to put personal stories into the sermon, usually to tie into whichever scripture he is preaching on that day. I get the feeling that even when a preacher is very passionate about the topic he tries to keep the tone at a “personal” level. So you could very well learn about how someone’s vacation went or how his car broke down, and have it tied in with scripture somehow. It’s organized much differently than Mass in that there isn’t a guideline (other than the daily program) for how things are to flow.
As far as children not attending service–my mother MADE me attend before she started teaching Sunday School, but that’s not really common. Since Baptists believe strongly in the age of reason they usually don’t have children attend until they can sit still and ‘appreciate’ the words (even though the words usually put them to sleep, literally. You’re sure to see sleeping children in a Baptist pew). The little kids went to sunday school when they weren’t in the “grownup service”. It’s basically like preschool but in stead of coloring Mickey Mouse you’ve got the Joseph’s coat of many colors to work on, and I remember most of the Bible stories because of the crafts we did to represent them.
The first time I attended Mass I was blown away at all the little kiddo’s walking in with their parents, dipping their little fingers in the Holy Water. Coming from Southern Baptist service to Mass was a completely different experience, but their inclusion of children is one of the reasons I’m going through RCIA. When I have kids I want them there. I can do crafts at home.
To be honest, I don’t remember any Baptist sermon having anything to do with any other religion (I know some people have had to sit through Catholic-bashing, but I was lucky to go to church where they focused on teaching in stead of demoralizing other denominations). I think it’s a shame that had to be the experience in a Baptist church for some. It’s not that the Baptist church did anything to push me away, it’s just that the Catholic church is pulling me much more strongly.
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guanophore
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You know, I got this a lot when I was sojourning with the fundies. Part of it was the objection to “vain repetitions”, but it is also true that I did not know how to pray spontaneously to God. All I ever learned growing up were written prayers. It really did improve the sincerity of my prayer life a lot, but I think there is a place for both.Most fundamentalists seem to think if you don’t make up your own prayers it’s not “sincere” and God wont listen.
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