Catholicism: A Changing Church -- Despite Itself

[bkovacs]

Why She Needs To Be Excommunicated

NOW!!!.
She is 180 degrees from what the Holy Father plans for the Church. She wants the Catholic Church to Fall. Why can’t she go join the Episcopalians and leave the Catholic Church alone.

huffingtonpost.com/sister-joan-chittister-osb/roman-catholicism-a-churc_b_469443.html

Sorry for the ranting!.

 

[Theophorus]

I don’t know I think that the Episcopalians are probably to authoritative and dogmatic for her. How about the Chittisterians instead? Or does she already belong to that group in everything but name

 

[DaughterOfMary6]

Ugh, that woman rubs me the wrong way. Everytime I hear her name, I honestly think:

“Oh, geez… What’s she done/said now?”

 

[mfj]

I shy away from saying we need justice and judgement. Why? I fear!

That said, The Church has become backless!
It didn’t put priests that had problems some where they could heal, so the problems got worse!
They won’t excomunicate any one no matter what they do or teach, so the church looks ridiculously feeble and tolerant.

When I was turning to faith the Catholic Church was the last place I would have considered.
**
I wanted to belong to a church that lived it’s faith. I’m sorry but 95% of Catholics are of this world.**

Gd had other ideas, I guess? Maybe I’m in the wrong place?

 

[littlequestion]

sigh

'tho through the valley of darkness…

 

[Sonny1954]

Sister Joan is one of those who gives me hope that Catholicism has a bright future. I can hear the legacy of Christ in her words, and see them in her actions. Talk of excommunication is inappropriate. She is a humble servant of the people of God.

It’s the autocrats who keep their heels on the necks of the faithful who might wonder if they are in the right place!

 

[benedictgal]

This is the comment that I have sent to the Huffington Post:

Sister needs to prayerfully reflect berfore she writes, as what she has typed is tantamount to heresy, plain and simple. She, like many others, has succumbed to the false sense of the spirit of Vatican II that does not reflect the true teachings of the Catholic Church. Furthermore, she continues to distance herself from the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by no less than Jesus Christ, Himself.

What Sister needs to do is re-read the Catechism and re-acquaint herself with the Church’s teachings. After all, the Church is in the world, but, She is not of the world. If Sister cannot agree with the teachings of the Church, then, perhaps it is time for her to stop calling herself Catholic, let alone, being a nun and go elsewhere, rather than lead souls to confusion with her venemous writing.

I doubt that they will post it as the truth is not necessarily a part of the publication’s reputation.

 

[benedictgal]

Sister Joan is one of those who gives me hope that Catholicism has a bright future. I can hear the legacy of Christ in her words, and see them in her actions. Talk of excommunication is inappropriate. She is a humble servant of the people of God.

It’s the autocrats who keep their heels on the necks of the faithful who might wonder if they are in the right place!

Christ said: “You are Peter and on this Rock I will build my Church.” Sister Joan hardly represents that enduring legacy of Our Lord. It seems as though she wants to establish her own church. Jesus founded only one Church, a divine institution that Sister Joan seems to reject often enough.

 

[Alan55]

I’ve read Joan Chittester’s column a couple of times. I don’t see anything remotely offensive about it, certainly nothing that warrants excommunication! She calls for changes in the Church, particularly changes that make the Church less clerical, less sexist, more open to lay ministry. She also calls for Catholic theology to take evolution more seriously. I think she’s largely right.

 

[bkovacs]

I’ve read Joan Chittester’s column a couple of times. I don’t see anything remotely offensive about it, certainly nothing that warrants excommunication! She calls for changes in the Church, particularly changes that make the Church less clerical, less sexist, more open to lay ministry. She also calls for Catholic theology to take evolution more seriously. I think she’s largely right.

She is WRONG!!!

Why do you think the church is sexist?. Because of no women priests!?. Then God must be sexist. Take it up with him.

Less clerical?. Why not go join the Baptists. They have no clerics.

Open to lay ministry. They have enough lay ministries. If you are thinking that lay people should replace Priests. Sorry no go!.

Her Church existed in the 60’s and 70’s. A failure and damaging period for the Church.

 

[Miserys_Fence]

I’ve read Joan Chittester’s column a couple of times. I don’t see anything remotely offensive about it, certainly nothing that warrants excommunication! She calls for changes in the Church, particularly changes that make the Church less clerical, less sexist, more open to lay ministry. She also calls for Catholic theology to take evolution more seriously. I think she’s largely right.

I wholeheartedly agree. I saw nothing offensive, unless you think that evolution, equality for women, and laymen/laywomen being encouraged to let their light shine is “offensive.”

Miz

 

[bkovacs]

I wholeheartedly agree. I saw nothing offensive, unless you think that evolution, equality for women, and laymen/laywomen being encouraged to let their light shine is “offensive.”

Miz

They already have all of that in the Catholic Church. Go back to my last post. She doesn’t see it that way. She advocates women priests, which is impossible. This is what she considers equality. She is not happy being a Sister. she is a disgrace to anything Benedictine. If it was up to her, Gregorian Chant and Monks would be abrogated. Monks are clericalism.

 

[bkovacs]

I shy away from saying we need justice and judgement. Why? I fear!

That said, The Church has become backless!
It didn’t put priests that had problems some where they could heal, so the problems got worse!
They won’t excomunicate any one no matter what they do or teach, so the church looks ridiculously feeble and tolerant.

When I was turning to faith the Catholic Church was the last place I would have considered.
**
I wanted to belong to a church that lived it’s faith. I’m sorry but 95% of Catholics are of this world.**

Gd had other ideas, I guess? Maybe I’m in the wrong place?

I agree!. Look at John Jenkins of Notre Dame. They did nothing to him, for having his fellow brothers thrown in jail. .

 

[unafraid]

Three quotes from this article are foundational to this woman’s philosophy. She states, “The rethinking of these four things–clericalism,gender equality,the lay vocation and theology in the light of evolution–will grow the church up to the measure of a global world”. It is as though she embraces the predominant political feature of her age, in this case globalization, as immutable truth, thereby consigning Catholicism to the role of an adaptive ancillary element of this global political experiment; rather than the central bearer of universal truth. Humanism drives globalization, therefore, her complete faith in this phenomenon above all else makes her a humanist.

The two other quotes, “Theology itself, in light of evolution, will need to be rethought, revised and reshaped to honor a God big enough to believe in.”, and, finally, her summation that if all this changing occurs, “the church will be truly alive again.” So, the creator, as seen theologically, lacks sufficient scale to be worthy of worship according to this woman? And she concludes by intimating that the church she inhabits is actually a dead entity in need of a “New World” resuscitation.

This nun’s thinking betrays much more than dissent…it betrays a bitterness. Frankly, she has irreconcilable differences with the entire magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church, and for the life of me I can’t figure out why she continues to choose to be a nun, let alone how the church allows her to continue wearing the habit.

 

[bkovacs]

Three quotes from this article are foundational to this woman’s philosophy. She states, “The rethinking of these four things–clericalism,gender equality,the lay vocation and theology in the light of evolution–will grow the church up to the measure of a global world”. It is as though she embraces the predominant political feature of her age, in this case globalization, as immutable truth, thereby consigning Catholicism to the role of an adaptive ancillary element of this global political experiment; rather than the central bearer of universal truth. Humanism drives globalization, therefore, her complete faith in this phenomenon above all else makes her a humanist.

The two other quotes, “Theology itself, in light of evolution, will need to be rethought, revised and reshaped to honor a God big enough to believe in.”, and, finally, her summation that if all this changing occurs, “the church will be truly alive again.” So, the creator, as seen theologically, lacks sufficient scale to be worthy of worship according to this woman? And she concludes by intimating that the church she inhabits is actually a dead entity in need of a “New World” resuscitation.

This nun’s thinking betrays much more than dissent…it betrays a bitterness. Frankly, she has irreconcilable differences with the entire magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church, and for the life of me I can’t figure out why she continues to choose to be a nun, let alone how the church allows her to continue wearing the habit.

I sometimes think that she curses God for making her a woman. Being a Sister is not good enough. Like it was mentioned before. The Church is backless in these matters.

 

[Miserys_Fence]

They already have all of that in the Catholic Church. Go back to my last post. She doesn’t see it that way. She advocates women priests, which is impossible. This is what she considers equality. She is not happy being a Sister. she is a disgrace to anything Benedictine. If it was up to her, Gregorian Chant and Monks would be abrogated. Monks are clericalism.

I went back and re-read the article, and nowhere did I see a call for women priests. Are you seeing something I’m not?

Miz

 

[Corki]

I went back and re-read the article, and nowhere did I see a call for women priests. Are you seeing something I’m not?

Miz

I believe that many readers here are familiar with Sr. Joan’s broader body of work and include her statements. If you wish to become more familiar with some of Sr. Joan’s dissident work, and if you have a strong stomach, try:

womenpriests.org/teaching/chittis2.asp

and

natcath.com/NCR_Online/documents/Discipleship.htm

Take note of the venue of the latter address.

 

[Terry_from_Ypsi]

Sister Joan is one of those who gives me hope that Catholicism has a bright future. I can hear the legacy of Christ in her words, and see them in her actions. Talk of excommunication is inappropriate. She is a humble servant of the people of God.

It’s the autocrats who keep their heels on the necks of the faithful who might wonder if they are in the right place!

Ah, to teach “error” is to teach heresy. Christ has no “legacy”, as Jesus Christ is not dead, He is alive and is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. A person has a legacy only if they are dead.

The leadership in her Diocese needs to state if she is in error or not. I would suggest individuals who have concerns contact Sister Joan’s Bishop or archbishop.

The future of the Catholic Church is bright because God promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it and that He would not leave us as orphans. It is also bright because it seeks to be “faithful” to God.

I personally feel better about the future of the Churtch because of what Pope John Paul II did and the witness of the life of Blessed Mother Theresa of Calcutta. I tend to believe her over "Sister Joan.

From what I read in her column, she supports teaching theology based on evolution, which I believe is very wrong and I do believe her Bishop or Superior in her order needs to check out to see if she is causing “scandal” to her order and the Church by what she is teaching.

Most of all, Sister Joan needs our prayers that God guide her to teach what is right and true, lest she be ensnared by the Devil.

Regards,

 

[SunnaB16]

Most of all, Sister Joan needs our prayers that God guide her to teach what is right and true, lest she be ensnared by the Devil.
Regards,

She needs our prayers, all right, but i think the ensnaring happened a while back… Anyone who has read even a handful of her “From Where I Stand” articles would know exactly where she stands. Its a combo of shifting sands and quicksand. To make it worse, the tides coming back in, and she hasnt noticed because shes so full of herself.
You cant help speculating about the state of some peoples souls, and the resultant darkened intellect…
The only alternative is that they`re mad, which is true anyway.

We have to pray for the folks who run the Huff n Puff Post and the NCR.

 

[St_Francis]

I shy away from saying we need justice and judgement. Why? I fear!

That said, The Church has become backless!
It didn’t put priests that had problems some where they could heal, so the problems got worse!
They won’t excomunicate any one no matter what they do or teach, so the church looks ridiculously feeble and tolerant.

When I was turning to faith the Catholic Church was the last place I would have considered.
**
I wanted to belong to a church that lived it’s faith. I’m sorry but 95% of Catholics are of this world.**

Gd had other ideas, I guess? Maybe I’m in the wrong place?

You’re in the right place! Maybe 95% of Catholics right now are of the world, but consider all of Church history and the saints who have and still are giving witness to Christ and His teachings. This is not the first time the Church has had lots of problems, and it won’t be the last.