Catholicism is Christian

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Some protestant denominations even go so far as to have seperate holy sites.If you watch protestant television during easter they will always be at the garden tomb-not the one in the church of the holy sepulacher-they even have there own Golgotha-hillside that looks like it has two eyes in it-they blow off thousands of years of that dreaded word “TRADITION”!
 
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alekzander:
Some protestant denominations even go so far as to have seperate holy sites.If you watch protestant television during easter they will always be at the garden tomb-not the one in the church of the holy sepulacher-they even have there own Golgotha-hillside that looks like it has two eyes in it-they blow off thousands of years of that dreaded word “TRADITION”!
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Yeah…guess they don’t wanna take their people to the real sites for fear of them being led into “Catholic apostasy” by the truth that would confront them there. Are they afraid of truth? I’m committed to it and having found it in Catholicism is why I returned to the faith after 34 years in error and confusion. Sheesh!http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/dontknow.gif
 
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michaelp:
I agree with this post. But I would change “believe” to “trust” since the word believe can be misunderstood for intellectual accent. Intellectual accent does not make one a Christian, but trust (which includes accent) in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.
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Amen Michael! 👍

I like the way the CCC defines “faith”; “By faith, man completely submits his intellect and his will to God (#143)”.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
This is like one of the most heated topics that is always discussed in all sorts of Catholic and Christian Chat!

Yahoo for one has separated the two!

The thing with non catholics is that they are told by their pastors or ministers or whoever that Catholics worship MAry. So I have then been around in circles about the Marian dogma and about the first Christian! I mean you would think that the Non Catholics would knows the meaning of Christian; Christ Follower!

Also I have encountered that many many refuse to reaseach the history of the Early CHurch! THey as in non catholics, make claims that man wrote history therefore is incorrect! Yet they will constantly return to the bible for evidence. It’s like I said earlier today with a non Catholic, that they rely so heavily on the bible it’s like it’s almost Bible Worship!

Also another problem I have encountered is that there’s a lot of anti Catholic material and ppl out there eg: Jack Chick! not only that I also get the feeling that non catholics are taught to hate those of us who are Catholic!

SO with all this anti Catholic stuff out there in all forms of media and with ppl being brainwashed NOT to do research on the early Christians who by the way were called CATHOLIC, its no wonder that they would split the two groups!

I don’t really understand it but I thank God everytime I go to Mass, which is once a week, that I"m a Catholic and a Christian and that I try to follow the ways and teachings of Christ as taught by the HOly Catholic Church and also I ask Our Lady to teach me and guide me in the ways of Christ as She was the First Catholic!

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I would also like to make one more comment that leads on from my previous post.

Is that those who have gone against their techings as protestants or fundies and have gone and researched about Catholicism and about the early Christians, most have converted to Catholicism, Why?!

Because the Catholic faith has the WHOLE truth of Christ and HE is truely present in the Eucharist and we don’t go around brainwashing ppl to hate others! ofcause there’s countless other reasons but I’ve already written a lot so I dont’ want to bore ppl!
 
Church Militant:
One thing I would point out about church attendance (Or “pew warming” as some call it) is that it no more makes one a Christian than going swimming makes one a fish or hanging out in a garage makes one a Rolls Royce. As Monsignor Hunt said in his homily tonight at midnight Mass, “Unless we allow Christ to come into our lives and be the light in our darkness then we miss out on all that God has for us” All I and say is: “AMEN!”
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I remember seeing this on a bumper sticker once:

If going to church makes you a christian,
does going to a garage make you a car?
 
Of course Catholics are Christian. My question to add to this though is wouldn’t anyone who is Baptized in the name of the Father, and the Son, and The Holy Spirit be a Christian?

I have a grandmother who says she has never been baptized, but from discussing her believes, I know she follows Jesus. Is she Christian? Anyway, yes Catholics are Christian.
 
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WhatIf:
Of course Catholics are Christian. My question to add to this though is wouldn’t anyone who is Baptized in the name of the Father, and the Son, and The Holy Spirit be a Christian?

I have a grandmother who says she has never been baptized, but from discussing her believes, I know she follows Jesus. Is she Christian? Anyway, yes Catholics are Christian.
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The Catholic Church recognizes the non-Caholic Baptisms that follow that form. In other words, must use water and “in the name of the Father, and the Son, and The Holy Spirit”. We do not rebaptize as some non-Catholics do.

Your dear Grandmother sounds like a wonderful lady. I WOULD, however encourage her to seek Baptism since it’s vital. Besides, she sounds like she feels like she’s misssing something. Is she Catholic?

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Katholikos:
Of course, it is.

Original Christianity is the sum total of the teachings of the Catholic Church.

The Bible is not an instruction book in Christianity, no matter how Protestants (and others) twist it.

JMJ Jay
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Jay:

Actually, the Bible Is, At least that’s what the Apostle Paul says. It’s just that’s it’s not the only one, and it’s not to be used in a vacuum.

We need to LISTEN to the Teaching Authority of the Church as Expressen in Sacred Scripture (Manual #1) and the Tradition of the Church (Manual #2, which happens to be bigger).

The problem with Protestants is that they try to use the Bioble as the ONLY MANUAL in the absence of ANY Teaching Authority or Reference Point for interpretation.

Remember, every encounter with a Protestant is a potential occasion for evangelization.

Ask then this, who, exactly, where the people in Antioch calling “Christians” if they weren’t “Catholics”?

In HIm, MIchael
 
Traditional Ang:
Jay:

Actually, the Bible Is, At least that’s what the Apostle Paul says. It’s just that’s it’s not the only one, and it’s not to be used in a vacuum.

We need to LISTEN to the Teaching Authority of the Church as Expressen in Sacred Scripture (Manual #1) and the Tradition of the Church (Manual #2, which happens to be bigger).

The problem with Protestants is that they try to use the Bioble as the ONLY MANUAL in the absence of ANY Teaching Authority or Reference Point for interpretation.

Remember, every encounter with a Protestant is a potential occasion for evangelization.

Ask then this, who, exactly, where the people in Antioch calling “Christians” if they weren’t “Catholics”?

In HIm, MIchael
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I guess these people have overlooked John 21:25
“And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.”

This is in the bible, but they refuse to recognize it. I remember when the Passion came out, all these people were saying that the Passion was a bad movie because it added to the gospels, etc. But I just don’t understand how anyone can ignore the fact that not EVERYTHING that happened to Jesus, not everything he said or did could possibly be written down into one book.
 
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anjel13:
I guess these people have overlooked John 21:25
“And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.”

This is in the bible, but they refuse to recognize it. I remember when the Passion came out, all these people were saying that the Passion was a bad movie because it added to the gospels, etc. But I just don’t understand how anyone can ignore the fact that not EVERYTHING that happened to Jesus, not everything he said or did could possibly be written down into one book.
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Well said. Thanks for being here with us! http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage07/9.gif
 
Church Militant:
The Catholic Church recognizes the non-Caholic Baptisms that follow that form. In other words, must use water and “in the name of the Father, and the Son, and The Holy Spirit”. We do not rebaptize as some non-Catholics do.

Your dear Grandmother sounds like a wonderful lady. I WOULD, however encourage her to seek Baptism since it’s vital. Besides, she sounds like she feels like she’s misssing something. Is she Catholic?

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No, she is not Catholic, however she was happy to learn that I became Catholic/Christian because she know that her son raised me as an atheist. I was quite surprised to find an old Catholic Bible in her house though which she gave to me when she learned that I was Catholic. It was in poor condition, but it is a sentimental possession of mine now. My Grandmother has always been poor and raised 12 kids just barely gettin’ by. She is a strong believer, but is indifferent about denominations. She is also 87 yrs. old and has recently become very “confined” because she is at home on oxygen. I don’t think she’d understand the need for baptism, but a few months ago when she was very ill, she was reflecting on if she thought she’d lived a life that would lead to heaven. She has suffered much and has maintained her strong believe in God, so I feel that she will go to heaven. I think her situation would be one of baptism by desire. If she fully understood its importance, she would want to be baptized. I am very surprised that she wasn’t baptized because she told me that she first dated my Grandpa by letting him go to Bible Study with her. Anyway, do you think she is Christian if she isn’t baptized? I think she is because of her strong belief in following God’s commandments and she believes Jesus died for our sins.

Unfortunately, her indifference has led to JWs coming into to her home to read the “Bible” to her. The good thing is that she is stubborn enough that nothing anyone says will change her beliefs anyway, so I don’t think they can do much harm to her salvation.
 
WhatIf my friend,
Your grandma sounds like a saint to me, but y’know, I would perhaps point out to her that baptism was important to you and maybe even circumvent those JWs by reading to her as well. Perhaps a couple of strategically chosen passages about baptism from the NT. If the subject comes up somehow, you might express your love for her and that you know she wants to obey the Lord in all things pointiung out to her that her soul is almost as important to you as it is to her and that you’d like her to be baptized (by a priest, pouring water because of the impracticality of other forms because of her age and infirmity). Also…(having just studied this is RCIA class with my beloved wife) you do realize that she IS eligible for the annointing of the sick. Something that would be good for you both. This could also open other doors…but I trust to your wisdom and discretion.

I know what you mean about Bibles being sentimental…I have a couple like that of my own as well as a treasury of great Catholic books from my Mom and grandmother (Me-ma’s gone now and Mom is in a home with alzheiner’s. Praise God she still recognizes me and gets to Mass w/my brother.).

I wouldn’t presume to speak on the salvation of your Grandma since that is God’s place and not mine. I do know that we can trust God with the souls of those who love him. I know you’ll do what’s best and wouldn’t dare upset or hurt her in any way. Let’s just both keep her close to the heart of Our Lord in our prayers and watch Him work out all the details.

By all means keep me posted.
Pax vobiscum,
 
Church Militant:
WhatIf my friend,
…If the subject comes up somehow, you might express your love for her and that you know she wants to obey the Lord in all things pointiung out to her that her soul is almost as important to you as it is to her and that you’d like her to be baptized (by a priest, pouring water because of the impracticality of other forms because of her age and infirmity). Also…(having just studied this is RCIA class with my beloved wife) you do realize that she IS eligible for the annointing of the sick. Something that would be good for you both. This could also open other doors…but I trust to your wisdom and discretion…

By all means keep me posted.
Pax vobiscum,
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I didn’t know she could be anointed! You mean, without being Catholic or Baptized, she could receive the annointing of the sick at her home??

Wouldn’t she need RCIA before baptism by a Catholic Priest since she isn’t on her deathbed? I’m not from a Catholic family, so I don’t know how these types of things work. I mean for elderly people who may not understand everything. She can still think and talk, but she has lost some decision making ability etc.

Thanks for the good advice. She lives about 2 hrs. from me, so I don’t see her nearly as often as I’d like to see her.
 
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WhatIf:
I didn’t know she could be anointed! You mean, without being Catholic or Baptized, she could receive the annointing of the sick at her home??

YEP! Just ask…

Wouldn’t she need RCIA before baptism by a Catholic Priest since she isn’t on her deathbed? I’m not from a Catholic family, so I don’t know how these types of things work. I mean for elderly people who may not understand everything. She can still think and talk, but she has lost some decision making ability etc.

I don’t know about the RCIA for her due to her advanced age, but I know that in danger of death even YOU can validly baptize her. Did you know that? It’s possible that you could get you pastor to talk to her and maybe… Can’t hurt to ask. How long is your RCIA program?

Thanks for the good advice. She lives about 2 hrs. from me, so I don’t see her nearly as often as I’d like to see her.
I promise I’ll keep you both in my prayers.
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It seems that a valid Baptism (not necessarily Catholic) would be a must, as what I’m reading says “Christian”. It does confer an increase in sanctifying grace (which implies confession) and it’s own special grace. It is one of the annointing sacraments falling normally behind Baptism, ConfIrmation and Holy Orders. It seems pretty Catholic, but I don’t know.

Peace and Love
 
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Orthodoc:
Best one I ever saw was an Evangelical minister dressed in a cowboy hat, boots, jeans, and tie standing in in Red Square with St Basil’s Cathedral in the background asking for donations so he could bring Jesus to the Russians. When the interviewer asked him why he didn’t think the Russian Orthodox Church was christian his answer was -

"Well just look at the Moselm domes they put on their churches for an answer! When he finished his plea for money he began to sing that greatProtestant hymn called - “A cold bottle of beer won’t wash away your sins!” I’m dead serious!

Or the Evangelical T-Shirt that shows a picture of St Basil’s Cathedral and the following - ‘Help bring Jesus to Russia’.

One doesn’t know whether to laugh or cry at the ignorance, lack of respect, and just plain stupidity. And then they wonder why the Russian enacted laws to keep them out!

Orthodoc
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I agree Orthodoc. Keeping out that kind of Christian will help Russia to be more Christian.

MaggieOH
 
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Katholikos:
Ahimsaman, what you have said is that a Southern Baptist who follows his church’s teachings does believe that Catholics are not Christian. Baptist heretics, who pick and choose from among their denomination’s teachings, don’t believe it. So it really depends upon whether one is a “true Baptist” or not.

As you know, I was raised in a Southern Baptist church and my Sunday School class, Bible study, and Sunday sermons were all about how the Pope was the antichrist and the Catholic Church was the Whore of Babylon, week after week, month upon month, year following year. As you also know, I went to a Southern Baptist funeral recently where I heard more of the same. They can’t even bury the dead without slamming Catholics. Consequently, I do not have a benign view of the Baptists.

Southern Baptists are not the only ones who hold anti-Catholic views. My experience with the GARBC, various Independent
Baptists, Landmark Baptists, and others have all proven to be more of the same.

I’m glad you, your church, and those you know are not like this – but you surely recognize that you are the exceptions, since you wrote that it’s not official denominational doctrine. When the SB denomination writes in its charter that others who follow Christ according to the dictates of their conscience are their separated brethren and deserve to be called Christian, I’ll believe it. That’s about the same time h-e-double toothpicks will freeze over.

😃 Jay Damien
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!

Blessed Father Damien, pray for us!
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I had a similar experience at a Baptist funeral, but the barb went deeper so that my other Protestant family members were also offended by what was stated. It really was a slap in the face for anyone who had not joined the Baptists.

MaggieOH
 
Y’know…I wonder when we are gonna be able to actually stand up and start calling these people on this sort of stuff? I’m not saying be nasty, but folks we take a tremendous amount of kimchi and tend to say very little. One of the most effective things I’ve been able to say to such folks is, “Why can’t you simply preach your message without knockin’ someone else’s religion? Why can’t your pastor just get up there and preach what you people believe without an attack on the Catholic Church or someone else?” It usually takes them aback and I hope they begin to see the unChristlike way their Gospel is being presented. I’m not the least bit afraid of offending them when I step up and say “Hey, wait a minute. Do you have any idea just what you’re talking about?” (as you’ve probably seen me do here on the forums… :banghead: ). I despise dishonesty and when someone tells me they know what we believe and then spouts off wrong ideas, it tells me that he’s not read what we really say. We get it here on this forum about every single day. I believe that we have to stand up, IN ALL CHARITY, and call 'em on the lies, misperceptions, misinformation and just plain baloney (with my sincere apologies to the luncheon meat 😃 ) until they finally admit that they hate us without cause or they begin to really read the truth and respond to it. Everything else is just a sham.

Pax vobiscum
 
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