"Catholics" and the right to choose?

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If you don’t believe in abortion – don’t have one.
And where does the unborn stand in this? Where is their choice in the matter? Why should they be at the mercy of their mothers’ legal choice to kill them? Who is going to turn a blind eye to their cries?
Who is going to speak out for these most precious of God’s children?
Matthew 25:45:
Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen: I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.
 
I most certainly voted for President Obama. I disagree with him on the abortion issue and others, but I think he is the best man to turn this country around and hopefully bring it back to a position of worldwide respect and esteem. This is off the subject (kind of), but we never know, do we? – it is not unusual for people to vote for a President and then find he has committed illegal and despicable acts as President. Obama certainly seems to be a man of good morals and good judgment, and that is why I voted for him, among other things. I am not a “one issue” voter, but try to see the big picture, if possible.

Alisa
 
We pray that President Obama has Truth revealed to him and he accepts it so that the killing will stop.
 
I most certainly voted for President Obama. I disagree with him on the abortion issue and others, but I think he is the best man to turn this country around and hopefully bring it back to a position of worldwide respect and esteem. This is off the subject (kind of), but we never know, do we? – it is not unusual for people to vote for a President and then find he has committed illegal and despicable acts as President. Obama certainly seems to be a man of good morals and good judgment, and that is why I voted for him, among other things. I am not a “one issue” voter, but try to see the big picture, if possible.

Alisa
Please state your hierarchy of good and evil. Thanks.
 
I most certainly voted for President Obama. I disagree with him on the abortion issue and others, but I think he is the best man to turn this country around and hopefully bring it back to a position of worldwide respect and esteem.
And what matter involved with “turning the country around” is of such high value that justifies the cost of either supporting, putting up with, or turning a blind eye to the million unborn killed each year? The economy? Would such motivation be ones personal comfort and pocketbook? Obama’s agenda is to increase the availability of abortion and even to expand it to include children who are already born. Is the promise of getting free money from those who have more, or some other form of socialist redistribution worth the blood of the innocent? (Don’t hold your breath waiting for any free money though). Is there any issue or issues that Obama supports that justify ignoring his demonic support for the intrinsic evil of the slaughter of the innocent?
This is off the subject (kind of), but we never know, do we? – it is not unusual for people to vote for a President and then find he has committed illegal and despicable acts as President. Obama certainly seems to be a man of good morals and good judgment, and that is why I voted for him, among other things.
And his support of the blood of the innocent is an example of those good morals?
I am not a “one issue” voter, but try to see the big picture, if possible.
Which is it the economy? (Let’s see, we are now blessed with a man of perverted morals bent on passing the FOCA bill and appointed pro-abortion justices and approved overseas spending on abortion in addition to a failing economy). Was that worth it? Is it the war? More innocent are killed in a week than during the duration of all of the Iraq and Afganistan situation. In addition, the war is not motivated by the desire to murder to innocent, nor is the war an intrinsic evil in which no Catholic may support under pain of mortal sin. Abortion is however, and the Church has made this crystal clear. Further, is whatever his vague plan concerning the war is, justification for allowing the deaths of the unborn to continue? Did you know that “the big picture” is right in front of your nose?
 
Mapleoak, all I know is that in front of my nose, I have decision as to whether or not to personally have an abortion. I would not.

Alisa
 
Elts, explain what you mean by the hierarchy?
Hierarchy means a ranking of values, beliefs, or morals from top to bottom, or bottom to top. For instance, in the area of absolutes, death would be at the bottom and life at the top. What would yours be? For instance where would protection of the innocent lie in your hierarchy of values, or morals?
 
I understand what you’re saying, Elts. I will think about this.
Alisa
 
What other forms of murder should we legalize? After all, if it’s all about choice, why have any laws at all? If a police officer gives me a ticket for going 40 miles above the speed limit, isn’t he limiting my free choice to speed?

No, he is not. He is enforcing the natural and logical consequences of your actions.

If i assault someone and am arrested, aren’t my rights being taken away?

No, they are not. Again, consequences are being levelled for your having chosen to take such action.

Why is abortion an exception?

Abortion is not an exception. Although having an abortion is the U.S. is currently legal, the action is not without its spiritual consequences.

Abortion takes the life of another human being. It should be illegal. If it shouldn’t be, then there is no rational basis for making other types of murder illegal except by discriminating and saying a person not currently living in the uterus of a woman is more important and more privileged and has a right to life, when one in the womb, who is just as alive and is only different based on age, location, and stage of development does not.

**As one poster said, you have your vote, you have your passion with regard to the subject, you have prayer. Enact all three and change may come about, albeit perhaps not in your lifetime.

Limerick**
 
Wow, the things you learn from fellow “Catholics” on CAF. Obama is a man of “good morals.” He sanctions and encourages the killing of unborn babies, and he has “good morals.” :eek:

Limerick, you completely missed the point of my post. Pro-abortion advocates talk about how it’s not the government’s place to limit their “choices” but we do that ALL THE TIME with other laws in this country. There should be no legal exception to abortion, and anyone who votes for someone who thinks there should be commits a grave moral evil.
 
Savienu, it’s not for you to judge who has or has not “committed a grave evil”. That is for God to say.

I don’t expect my government to legislate my religious beliefs. What if all religious people did that? How one conducts one’s life is between him- or herself and God.

And once again, I’m not a one-issue voter and never have been.

Alisa
 
Savienu, it’s not for you to judge who has or has not “committed a grave evil”. That is for God to say.

I don’t expect my government to legislate my religious beliefs. What if all religious people did that? How one conducts one’s life is between him- or herself and God.

And once again, I’m not a one-issue voter and never have been.

Alisa
So by not being a “one-issue voter”, you cast aside the most perverted abomination taking place in our country resulting in the deaths of millions of innocents (the missing arm) and instead focus on the multitude of personal comfort issues which have nothing to do with innocent people being deliberately killed with the government’s blessing (the bandage on the knee)?
 
Savienu, it’s not for you to judge who has or has not “committed a grave evil”. That is for God to say.

I don’t expect my government to legislate my religious beliefs. What if all religious people did that? How one conducts one’s life is between him- or herself and God.

And once again, I’m not a one-issue voter and never have been.

Alisa
If someone intentionally kills an innocent person that is a grave evil no matter how culpable one is before God or not.

Legislating to protect innocent life is not an exclusively religious issue. It is an issue or common sense and good will.
 
I most certainly voted for President Obama. I disagree with him on the abortion issue and others, but I think he is the best man to turn this country around and hopefully bring it back to a position of worldwide respect and esteem. This is off the subject (kind of), but we never know, do we? – it is not unusual for people to vote for a President and then find he has committed illegal and despicable acts as President. Obama certainly seems to be a man of good morals and good judgment, and that is why I voted for him, among other things. I am not a “one issue” voter, but try to see the big picture, if possible.

Alisa
Does “good morals” include support for legalized homicide?
 
I stand by what I’ve said in my posts. Let God do the judging – I am.
Alisa
 
Alisa, do you take this “Let God be the judge” attitude for all laws? Do you believe there should be no laws which enact legal consequences for crimes because only God should be the judge?
 
If someone intentionally kills an innocent person that is a grave evil no matter how culpable one is before God or not.

Legislating to protect innocent life is not an exclusively religious issue. It is an issue or common sense and good will.
Thank you fix. It is a grave evil, regardless of the person’s intentions. Things that are evil don’t become not evil just because someone (or the majority of people) don’t think they are evil. We do not live in a relativistic world, much to the surprise of most of modern society. Judgment is saying, “You, so-and-so, are going to Hell for the things you have done” not “This action is a grave evil.”
 
And where does the unborn stand in this? Where is their choice in the matter? Why should they be at the mercy of their mothers’ legal choice to kill them? Who is going to turn a blind eye to their cries?
Who is going to speak out for these most precious of God’s children?
**What makes them the “most precious of God’s children”? Does God play favorites?

Limerick**
 
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