Catholics Can Be Pro-Choice?

[tgeorgeingham]

First of all, God doesn’t make a choice for us, we must make it ourselves. Oh, by the way, Christians didn’t name the pro-abortion movement, the pro-abortion group did, and very clearly wanted to use the words,“pro-choice” in lieu of pro-abortion to deflect what they know is a defenseless position.
The second issue is murder. Who is going to look out for the voiceless, the unborn? It is a moral obligation to save those who are defenseless. Would you feel it is ok to stand by and watch some thug kill an old person who is defenseless and helpless? Would you just stand there and do nothing to help? What do you think God would say to you concerning your thoughts about the thug’s “choice” and your’s? And another twist to think about; When is it no longer a mother’s “choice” to get rid of that child? Born or unborn? Say a couple weeks or months after the child is born and she finds life is too hard for her or she would rather not be tied down taking care of her child? Just kill it and it is ok becasue it is her “choice” since it is her kid? Oh yea, how about the father in this whole thing? Have we forgotten that it take 2, read that clearly, 2, to make a child and are you saying he has no say in what happens to his child? Get real. Are you forgetting that perhaps that child-to-be, caused by rape, is not worth having? So just kill it? Perhaps you do not understand, that by the 6-8 week, a time when you previously just were finding out perhaps you were pregnant, that child is already fully formed with arms and legs, a heart that is beating, fingerprints, etc, etc. It is not just some unwanted growth, like a wort, to be wantonly cut out and disposed of. It is a God-given gift and for whatever reason and by some perhaps, mysterious, misunderstood method (yes, perhaps rape) He has given this mother a new child to bring into the world. If you ever care to read the Catholic Catechism, you will find in there where it is our Catholic faith says that we believe that yes, God does permit evil to happen but always, always makes something good to come from it even though we may not see or understand it at the moment. Sorry, but you can not be Catholic and believe in abortion. You might want to say you are and I know there are many out there who believe they are but not so.

 

[Valke2]

So there is a moral eqauivalence between a canidate who opposes abortion and one who supports it because after all its the law of the land? What utter utter nonesnese.

To call abortion evil understates it-it is abject evil-the greatest evil in the world today, Nothing, I mean nothing compares to the wanton slaughter of the innocents and you btlithely dismiss all this carnage as OK becuase its the law? Shame on you.

I disagree.

 

[mapleoak]

abortion is a sin HOWEVER and this is the point i think he was trying to make who are we(human beings) to vilify a person who has an abortion or people who believe a woman should have a say in what happens to her body. i think the only two people who should worry about that choice is god and the person involved.

Sorry, but there are always at least two people involved plus God.

 

[mapleoak]

until the child comes out of the woman it is part of the mother.

This is incorrect and it is recommended picking up a beginner level biology book to see that the child is a completely separate entity from the mother. It has its own DNA, and is a living human being.

it depends on the mother for life if you took a child out of the womb before it was developed it would die.

As does a newborn baby depend on its mother. Left to fend for itself, it would die. What is the point you are making?

so yes while the child is a life it cannot survive outside of the womb thats why many people say it is not a person.

So a newborn baby is not a person because it cannot survive outside the womb on its own?

and you can’t really say because god says thou shall not kill its wrong

Yes we can.

we kill things all the time from bugs that get into our house to rodents who infest it.

A bug is not a human being and is therefore not murder.

 

[mapleoak]

abortion should only be used in cases of rape or when the life of the mother or child or both is in danger.

Does being conceived by rape make one not a person or human being? Should we tell everyone who was conceived as a result of rape that they are not human and deserve to die? After all they are guilty of being conceived and deserve the death penalty, right?

if you would give birth to a baby then it would die 24 hours later what would be the point? that would only sadden the parents.

Whether it dies through neglect or direct action taken, it is still murder.

 

[mapleoak]

See how sucessful satan is by convincing us that pro-abortion and pro-choice are the same thing? One of the greatest gifts God gave man was CHOICE. He will never take that away from us. That is our ability to choose good or evil. Pro-abortion is a whole other issue. Choosing death for an unborn child is murder. Does anything else need to be said? No! To be Catholic, you can not be pro-abortion, but you automatically are pro-choice by a gift from God.

‘Pro-Choice’ is not synonymous with ‘Free Will’. Pro-Choice in commonly understood usage in the English language refers to giving ones approval to murder innocent unborn people.

 

[Eleni]

Catholics can NOT be pro choice!!!
It is NOT or choice to decide if a child should live or die. We are not God.

As a mother of six children there were times I felt I didn’t know if I could go on, but I did & I couldn’t be happier & my children may not have all they want, but they are happy, passionate, empathetic & blessed with the love of God.

 

[mapleoak]

First of all, God doesn’t make a choice for us, we must make it ourselves. Oh, by the way, Christians didn’t name the pro-abortion movement, the pro-abortion group did, and very clearly wanted to use the words,“pro-choice” in lieu of pro-abortion to deflect what they know is a defenseless position.
The second issue is murder. Who is going to look out for the voiceless, the unborn? It is a moral obligation to save those who are defenseless. Would you feel it is ok to stand by and watch some thug kill an old person who is defenseless and helpless? Would you just stand there and do nothing to help? What do you think God would say to you concerning your thoughts about the thug’s “choice” and your’s? And another twist to think about; When is it no longer a mother’s “choice” to get rid of that child? Born or unborn? Say a couple weeks or months after the child is born and she finds life is too hard for her or she would rather not be tied down taking care of her child? Just kill it and it is ok becasue it is her “choice” since it is her kid? Oh yea, how about the father in this whole thing? Have we forgotten that it take 2, read that clearly, 2, to make a child and are you saying he has no say in what happens to his child? Get real. Are you forgetting that perhaps that child-to-be, caused by rape, is not worth having? So just kill it? Perhaps you do not understand, that by the 6-8 week, a time when you previously just were finding out perhaps you were pregnant, that child is already fully formed with arms and legs, a heart that is beating, fingerprints, etc, etc. It is not just some unwanted growth, like a wort, to be wantonly cut out and disposed of. It is a God-given gift and for whatever reason and by some perhaps, mysterious, misunderstood method (yes, perhaps rape) He has given this mother a new child to bring into the world. If you ever care to read the Catholic Catechism, you will find in there where it is our Catholic faith says that we believe that yes, God does permit evil to happen but always, always makes something good to come from it even though we may not see or understand it at the moment. Sorry, but you can not be Catholic and believe in abortion. You might want to say you are and I know there are many out there who believe they are but not so.

 

[angillusion]

This might be a completely elementary question, but can a person be Catholic and personally Pro-Life, meaning that he or she would never participate in an abortion, but be Pro-Choice in the sense that he or she understands that abortion is currently legal, and that not all people make the same moral decisions about it? I would never want to have an abortion. However, I don’t feel like I have a right to make that decision for all people disregarding their own personal beliefs.

Of course, I’m a really bad Catholic anyway, and tend to be as liberal as they come. I welcome answers and discussion! Just please don’t sound angry or I won’t be able to keep reading, because I’ll just get upset.

 

[estesbob]

This might be a completely elementary question, but can a person be Catholic and personally Pro-Life, meaning that he or she would never participate in an abortion, but be Pro-Choice in the sense that he or she understands that abortion is currently legal, and that not all people make the same moral decisions about it? I would never want to have an abortion. However, I don’t feel like I have a right to make that decision for all people disregarding their own personal beliefs.

No-think about what the implication of that attitude is. what you are saying is "I dont favor killing my child but I beleive other people should be able to kill their child,.

Of course, I’m a really bad Catholic anyway, and tend to be as liberal as they come. I welcome answers and discussion! Just please don’t sound angry or I won’t be able to keep reading, because I’ll just get upset.

One can be liberal and Catholic althoughit is difficult for a Liberal Catholic to find a canidate who supports the misguided philosophy of modern Liberals who does not likewise support inafaniticide.

 

[estesbob]

I disagree.

Of course you do. You have let your politics overwhelm your faith. If you really understood the horror you support you would be consumed with overwhelming shame and agony.

It reminds me of a film clip I saw at the National Holocaust Museum. Eisenhauer was livid that the inhabitants of a town next to a Death Camp denied any knoweldge of what was going on. So he forced them to tour the camp. The looks on their faces as they came out was a terrible thing to behold. You and them have a lot in common.

 

[liotino]

This might be a completely elementary question, but can a person be Catholic and personally Pro-Life, meaning that he or she would never participate in an abortion, but be Pro-Choice in the sense that he or she understands that abortion is currently legal, and that not all people make the same moral decisions about it? I would never want to have an abortion. However, I don’t feel like I have a right to make that decision for all people disregarding their own personal beliefs.

Of course, I’m a really bad Catholic anyway, and tend to be as liberal as they come. I welcome answers and discussion! Just please don’t sound angry or I won’t be able to keep reading, because I’ll just get upset. /QUOTE
Precious Child of God,
We cannot make decisions for anyone and yes you are right in saying that however, as Children of God we have to speak out for the voiceless and they being the infants being murder. It is easy to be complacent and getting ourselves off the hook by saying we should not step on the toes of those doing something inherently evil as the killing of innocent babies.
You being a bad Catholic the best place I have found is to listen to EWTN and you will not only learn about the faith but like me leave the liberal self and be strong in the Faith.
Gentle Me,

 

[Harsalter]

and you can’t really say because god says thou shall not kill its wrong we kill things all the time from bugs that get into our house to rodents who infest it.

Now I understand why liberals think killing unborn babies is okay, they think the baby’s lives are no more valuable than bugs.

 

[Harsalter]

and you can’t really say because god says thou shall not kill its wrong we kill things all the time from bugs that get into our house to rodents who infest it.

Now I understand why liberals think killing unborn babies is okay, they think the baby’s lives are no more valuable than bugs.

It is sad that our school system does such a poor job in educating our youth in basic biology. it is even sadder when someone says its ok to kill children becuase, after all, we kill bugs all the time

I agree. It sounds like from bostonboy a liberal feels when a baby has been conceived, the woman’s body has been infested and needs to be exterminated.

 

[vern_humphrey]

abortion is a sin HOWEVER and this is the point i think he was trying to make who are we(human beings) to vilify a person who has an abortion or people who believe a woman should have a say in what happens to her body. i think the only two people who should worry about that choice is god and the person involved.

Murder and rape are sins HOWEVER and this is the point i think he was trying to make who are we(human beings) to vilify a person who has committed murder or rape or people who believe a murderer or rapist should have a say in satisfying his needs. i think the only two people who should worry about that choice is god and the person involved.

 

[liotino]

abortion is a sin HOWEVER and this is the point i think he was trying to make who are we(human beings) to vilify a person who has an abortion or people who believe a woman should have a say in what happens to her body. i think the only two people who should worry about that choice is god and the person involved.

What about the Baby there are three and who will speak for the innocent voiceless???

 

[vern_humphrey]

What about the Baby there are three and who will speak for the innocent voiceless???

If I see my neighbor murdering and dismemering his wife and children with an ax, do I not have a duty to take action? How is it different if a doctor is murdering and dismembering a child in the womb?

 

[liotino]

If I see my neighbor murdering and dismemering his wife and children with an ax, do I not have a duty to take action? How is it different if a doctor is murdering and dismembering a child in the womb?

It is not but debates and the forgetting the voiceless muddies the waters and the clarity of the Truth is lost.

 

[vern_humphrey]

It is not but debates and the forgetting the voiceless muddies the waters and the clarity of the Truth is lost.

You’re right – too many of us sympathize with the ax murderer and neglect to even look at the bodies of his victims.

 

[estesbob]

You’re right – too many of us sympathize with the ax murderer and neglect to even look at the bodies of his victims.

Too often politics muddies the water. “Well he may be an axe murderer but by gosh at least he’s OUR axe murderer.”