Catholics don't believe "Once saved, Always saved"?

[FreakyLocz14]

Then what does “The Sacraments of Initiation can never be undone” mean?

 

[po18guy]

1. You cannot be “un-baptized” It leaves an indelible mark on your soul.
2. You cannot be “un-confirmed” and have the Holy Spirit removed from you.
3. You cannot “un-eat” the Holy Eucharist.

OSAS?

 

[Theophorus]

1. You cannot be “un-baptized” It leaves an indelible mark on your soul.
2. You cannot be “un-confirmed” and have the Holy Spirit removed from you.
3. You cannot “un-eat” the Holy Eucharist.

OSAS?

1. You cannot be un-baptised,un-confirmed, nor can you “un-eat” the Holy Eucharist, however you can still end up in hell.

That is where we differ on the OSAS point of view. The sacraments of initiation are the beginning of a journey of Faith (hopefully) ending in Salvation, not the automatic entry onto Heaven.

 

[JerryZ]

But you CAN turn your back to God at any time during your life.

God however will never turn His back to you. He is like the prodigal son’s father. Ready to accept him back into his house, if he comes with a repentant heart.

OSAS is totally umbiblical contrary to what other may lead you to believe, it is in fact a perfect example of what St. Peter wrote in his 2nd letter.

as also our most beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 3:16 just as he also spoke in all of his epistles about these things. In these, there are certain things which are difficult to understand, which the unlearned and the unsteady distort, as they also do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Those who claim to have the true interpretation of the Bible that do not have the authority of Jesus. Which HE breathed upon His 12 Apostles after His resurrection, CAN lead people to perdition, even using the Bible, because they twisted the meaning of the words to their own advantage.
We need to constantly pray God, that He intervenes to dimish the damage done and save as many of His sheep as possible, through the intercession of His Church, which He established at Pentecostes and whose Bishops can trace their ordination back to.

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[po18guy]

1. You cannot be un-baptised,un-confirmed, nor can you “un-eat” the Holy Eucharist, however you can still end up in hell.

That is where we differ on the OSAS point of view. The sacraments of initiation are the beginning of a journey of Faith (hopefully) ending in Salvation, not the automatic entry onto Heaven.

You are (normally) not going to be saved without them, but you may not be saved even with them.

I am guessing at the connection between the title and the question. It’s a little cryptic.

 

[Theophorus]

You are (normally) not going to be saved without them, but you may not be saved even with them.

I am guessing at the connection between the title and the question. It’s a little cryptic.

Sorry if my post was a little cryptic as well. I was agreeing with you, and trying to respond to the OP

 

[YoungTradCath]

No, we don’t believe in OSAS. The Sacraments are not checkboxes on a form called “ENTRY TO HEAVEN REQUEST.”

The Sacraments are spiritual graces given to us by God that we will hopefully use in the right way to make it to Heaven.

 

[Deus_tecum]

Lots of Protestants don’t really walk the walk, and their reason whether conscious or subconscious is OSAS. By the same token many Catholics don’t walk the walk, but consider themselves saved because the attend Mass and take communion. Someday I may write an article on how churches are often incubators of passive-aggressiveness.

 

[St_Francis]

Sorry if my post was a little cryptic as well. I was agreeing with you, and trying to respond to the OP

I think the OP meant that once we receive the sacraments of initiation, we are “saved,” and he has just found out that full Catholics don’t always make it to Heaven. So he was confused.

 

[pensmama87]

To answer the title only: yes we do believe that once you’re saved, you’re always saved…but you won’t be saved until death.

 

[ffg]

Hi Freaky,

Try testing the OSAS first, what you should find is very little background and history.

Then moving into your question, you will be learning about what baptism does and does not do. What your life means to God today, and how that meaning gives purpose to your actions.

When you understand your entire life is meaningful, it is easy to see why OSAS as defined by many Christian denominations is walking down a false man made path.

 

[Chiefsinner]

The thing is there is judgement after death and not before. Revelation 20

When you say OSAS you are claiming you know god’s judgement beforehand.

There are many souls that are in a state of grace today and if they die today they will go to heaven but you can ship-wreck your salvation because of sins.

In OSAS there is no such thing you will end up in heaven no matter how you live your life past,present and future.

Matthew 24:13

he who perseveres to the end shall be saved

 

[Peebo]

It’s probably easier for Protestants to believe in OSAS because they added the word “alone” to we are saved by faith…as Catholics we are saved by faith and works…you can do works and not have faith…but you can’t have faith without works or your faith is dead…maybe someone can word this better than me

 

[tafan]

We believe in once saved, always saved. When you die, you will face judgement and after that point, if your are saved, you cannot loose your salvation.

 

[bben15]

You cannot be un-baptized, you cannot be un-confirmed, you cannot un-eat the Eucharist you partook of years ago.

You can still turn your back on God. Just because you were baptized, chrismated, and received your First Holy Communion doesn’t mean you earn a one-way-ticket into heaven. If that was the case. virtually no one would go to Mass.

 

[bben15]

We believe in once saved, always saved. When you die, you will face judgement and after that point,** if your are saved, you cannot loose your salvation.**

That’s what I was going to say.

 

[Kal2012]

A lot of Protestants believe that once they say “the sinner’s prayer” every single thing good or bad that they’ve ever done is covered by that prayer.

Catholics, on the other hand, believe that being ‘saved’ is a process. Not a one time event.

Honestly, this is one of the reasons why I became Catholic.

I don’t think that Jesus wants people to say a prayer and start acting like they could do anything they want because their sins are 'covered in the blood of Jesus."

I don’t think that saying a single prayer makes one a Christian. I think it’s a good start on the road of salvation, but not the “end all - be all” of the salvation experience.

 

[Cricket2]

The Sacraments are permanent. Once you are Baptized a Catholic you are always a Catholic, if you are forgiven a sin in Confession that sin is forever forgiven etc. However, we all can make choices to sin again.

Our lives offer up chances everyday, every moment through which we can continue on the path toward God, or make choices that remove us from Him. Each choice matters and we can, because of our free will, make choices that can forever remove us from God.

Just because you are Baptized a Catholic and attend Mass does not mean you have a given guarantee into Heaven. What if you die while committing a mortal sin and have no opportunity to feel or show remorse and then confess that sin? We can all choose between eternal life with God or eternal damnation. Those choices come one at a time, and I think can be collective in nature.

Always “avoid the near occasion of sin.”

 

[Razanir]

We believe in once saved, always saved. When you die, you will face judgement and after that point, if your are saved, you cannot loose your salvation.

I love using the exact same words but with a different meaning. (By the way, is there a word for that)

 

[jritenour]

I find it weird that Calvinists say if you believe at some point you are saved and then you completely fall away from the Church … well, you never believed to begin with.