Catholics for Ron Paul Coalition

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pnewton said:
Again, I have no desire to listen to you and your opinion of who** I **should vote for. Your opinions here seem to be too favorable or the Republican establishment for me. I will vote my own conscience, thank you very much, as should you. The difference between you and me is that I do not run around here telling you who to vote to. I would rather respect your ability to decide that for yourself.
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pnewton said:
Again, I have no desire to listen to you and your opinion of who** I **should vote for. Your opinions here seem to be too favorable or the Republican establishment for me. I will vote my own conscience, thank you very much, as should you. The difference between you and me is that I do not run around here telling you who to vote to. I would rather respect your ability to decide that for yourself.
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I have always found Ishii’s comments to be spot on and I should remind you that as Catholics we have spiritual works of mercy and among them is to counsel the doubtful. If any of us has any doubt as to Obama’s anti Catholicism then they need to listen to what Ishii says.
 
JMJSHJ said:
I have always found Ishii’s comments to be spot on and I should remind you that as Catholics we have spiritual works of mercy and among them is to counsel the doubtful. If any of us has any doubt as to Obama’s anti Catholicism then they need to listen to what Ishii says.
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Does that include one saying that a pro-life candidate is unelectable?
 
JMJSHJ said:
If any of us has any doubt as to Obama’s anti Catholicism.
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I am unaware of any speeches Obama made attacking the Catholic Church - or any other church, for that matter. Can anyone provide a source for this accusation? :hmmm:
 
estesbob said:
. There is absolutely nothing wrong with stating the truth.
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There is a problem with the way ‘conservatives’ treat those that disagree with them. For me personally, I am inclined to avoid any candidate pushed through condescension, spins, and most especially posts that lack charity.

If you took time to read the post I quoted with my question, you’ll see it was off topic from the topic of the thread. We are not doubting anything about Obama, but discussing a pro-life candidate instead.

The tactics being used have me leaning very heavily towards voting for Ron Paul in the primaries and writing his name in the general election, if he doesn’t get the nomination. If I choose not to write his name in, I probably won’t vote at all. I cannot tell which would be better, by association of those that support them.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
There is a problem with the way ‘conservatives’ treat those that disagree with them. For me personally, I am inclined to avoid any candidate pushed through condescension, spins, and most especially posts that lack charity.
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I’m with you on this, though I’m not a Ron Paul supporter.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
/The tactics being used have me leaning very heavily towards voting for Ron Paul in the primaries and writing his name in the general election, if he doesn’t get the nomination. If I choose not to write his name in, I probably won’t vote at all. I cannot tell which would be better, by association of those that support them.
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So you are going to help reelect the most pro-abortion president in the history United States because some anonymous Internet posters hurt your feelings?
 
pnewton said:
Again, I have no desire to listen to you and your opinion of who** I **should vote for. Your opinions here seem to be too favorable or the Republican establishment for me. I will vote my own conscience, thank you very much, as should you. The difference between you and me is that I do not run around here telling you who to vote to. I would rather respect your ability to decide that for yourself.
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No, you don’t have to listen to me. But if you are a Catholic who values the sanctity of life, you ought to vote for the most electable pro-life candidate.

By the way, when did I tell you who to vote for?

Ishii
 
ishii said:
No, you don’t have to listen to me. But if you are a Catholic who values the sanctity of life, you ought to vote for the most electable pro-life candidate.

By the way, when did I tell you who to vote for?
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That last is being a bit disingenuous. You don’t have to spell it out in flashing lights for your intention to be clear.
 
estesbob said:
So you are going to help reelect the most pro-abortion president in the history United States because some anonymous Internet posters hurt your feelings?
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I can’t believe you find it worthwhile to continue pushing falsehoods. I have said nothing about helping reelecting anyone. I have found such disdain in the type tactics you’re using that I have stated I will vote for Ron Paul, write in his name, or not vote at all. Since you and others like you continue to seek to ‘push a person’s buttons’ to inflame, ridicule or otherwise humiliate, you are ‘helping reelect the most pro-abortion president in the history of the United States’ when previously told what your actions are causing, giving you full knowledge. If those are the type people promoting someone, I really do have to question the candidate being pushed. Birds of a feather, flock together.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I can’t believe you find it worthwhile to continue pushing falsehoods. I have said nothing about helping reelecting anyone. I have found such disdain in the type tactics you’re using that I have stated I will vote for Ron Paul, write in his name, or not vote at all. Since you and others like you continue to seek to ‘push a person’s buttons’ to inflame, ridicule or otherwise humiliate, you are ‘helping reelect the most pro-abortion president in the history of the United States’ when previously told what your actions are causing, giving you full knowledge. If those are the type people promoting someone, I really do have to question the candidate being pushed. Birds of a feather, flock together.
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So what did you mean when you said:
The tactics being used have me leaning very heavily towards voting for Ron Paul in the primaries and writing his name in the general election, if he doesn’t get the nomination. If I choose not to write his name in, I probably won’t vote at all. I cannot tell which would be better, by association of those that support them
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Are you not saying that you are upset with the tactics of some of the people in this group and that is pushing you towards sitting out the election if your preferred candidate does not get the nomination? . If pro-life voters sit the election out does that not make it more likely that the pro-abortion candidate will be elected? It is interesting that you are getting a whole lot of support in this view from people who want to get Barack Obama elected.
 
estesbob said:
So what did you mean when you said:

Are you not saying that you are upset with the tactics of some of the people in this group and that is pushing you towards sitting out the election if your preferred candidate does not get the nomination? . If pro-life voters sit the election out does that not make it more likely that the pro-abortion candidate will be elected? It is interesting that you are getting a whole lot of support in this view from people who want to get Barack Obama elected.
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I’m saying that I cannot see a Christian connection between certain political candidates and the tactics used by some of their supporters. I was already on board with Ron Paul and considering other candidates as alternatives should he not receive the nomination. But being ‘bullied’ with such falsehoods, spins, condescension, and a total lack of charity because I say I support a true pro-life candidate has me rethinking the whole thing. Knowing that kind of tactic is only pushing me further away and continuing those type tactics may be ‘helping elect the president’, as you say, then you are complicit.

I am not concerning myself with how others are using their well formed faith based consciences. The Church teaches us not to coerce, or attempt to force someone against using their conscience accordingly.

I am voting, or not voting, as my faith based conscience leads me to do, and to be perfectly honest, it’s no one’s business.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Protect all voluntary associations; don’t define marriage
There’s no need for the federal government to be involved in this.
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Too much government is the problem in America. We are grown ups, responsible adults with NO need for a babysitter.
Americans have given cart blanch to the elected and in response, the elected gets his hands where he does not suppose to get. For instance, since when, a president has the right to RE-DEFINE marriage and dare to resist God’s commands?
Since when a president has the audacity to “create” laws to KILL the defenseless, who NEEDS the protection of the government?
Americans are still far to understand the real meaning of Libertarianism. Ignorance prompts some to say, “well, libertarianism means anyone can do whatever he/she wants.” Far from that, it means the government should have limitations
Find a Philosophy book and read and re-read the definition of Libertarianism.
As for me and my family, we are very pleased Dr. Paul respects the first right of all human rights, the right to LIFE and if he is elected president, he’ll never tell us where to worship, to take the money from the poor to fight unwanted wars around the globe, to persecute HOME SCHOOLING, or if it is inconvenient, KILL the baby.
For me, liberty is a gift from God and all presidents should honor it.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
That last is being a bit disingenuous. You don’t have to spell it out in flashing lights for your intention to be clear.
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Disingenuous? That is what I was going to say about your post in which you said:

" am unaware of any speeches Obama made attacking the Catholic Church - or any other church, for that matter. Can anyone provide a source for this accusation?"
You’re right, you don’t have spell it out in flashing lights for your intention to be clear, and that applies to Obama’s policies on life which are in direct opposition to Catholic moral teaching. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, no?

As for that last bit, the poster was accusing me of telling him who to vote for, whereas all I’ve done is tell him ***not to waste his vote ***on a candidate who is a joke and has no chance of winning. T here are lots of candidates - I haven’t told him who to vote for.

Ishii
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I can’t believe you find it worthwhile to continue pushing falsehoods. I have said nothing about helping reelecting anyone. I have found such disdain in the type tactics you’re using that I have stated I will vote for Ron Paul, write in his name, or not vote at all. Since you and others like you continue to seek to ‘push a person’s buttons’ to inflame, ridicule or otherwise humiliate, you are ‘helping reelect the most pro-abortion president in the history of the United States’ when previously told what your actions are causing, giving you full knowledge. If those are the type people promoting someone, I really do have to question the candidate being pushed. Birds of a feather, flock together.
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Which candidate is being pushed? All I have been saying is that if one is pro-life, it makes sense to vote for the most pro-life electable candidate possible, not the joke candidate with no chance to win. Please don’t twist what I’ve been saying to mean something else.

Ishii
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
. But being ‘bullied’ with such falsehoods, spins, condescension, and a total lack of charity because I say I support a true pro-life candidate has me rethinking the whole thing.
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Examples of that “bullying, falshoods, and total lack of charity” please.

Ishii
 
pnewton said:
Again, I have no desire to listen to you and your opinion of who** I **should vote for. Your opinions here seem to be too favorable or the Republican establishment for me. I will vote my own conscience, thank you very much, as should you. The difference between you and me is that I do not run around here telling you who to vote to. I would rather respect your ability to decide that for yourself.
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A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama…:rolleyes:
 
ishii said:
Which candidate is being pushed? All I have been saying is that if one is pro-life, it makes sense to vote for the most pro-life electable candidate possible, not the joke candidate with no chance to win. Please don’t twist what I’ve been saying to mean something else.

Ishii
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Actually, a primary gives a person opportunity to vote for the candidate that they truly believe would do best. . My problem is those who claim that if Ron Paul doesn’t get the nomination they will either stay as such actions would do nothing more than make the reelection of the most pro-abortion president in history more likely… .Even Ron Paul rejects the " I’m going to sit in the corner and pout" attitude. He has promised to support the nominee of the Republican Party and his supporters should do likewise
 
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