Catholics for Ron Paul Coalition

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A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama…:rolleyes:
Only if Ron Paul was a 3rd party candidate this time. Then again, the way things are going, I think Obama is going to need a lot more than an independent Ron Paul canididacy to beat the GOP candidate.

Ishii
 
Which candidate is being pushed? All I have been saying is that if one is pro-life, it makes sense to vote for the most pro-life electable candidate possible, not the joke candidate with no chance to win. Please don’t twist what I’ve been saying to mean something else.

Ishii
The ‘joke’ candidate, as you refer to him, was the ONLY candidate to attend the pro-life rally in Washington, D.C. prior to the last presidential elections, but the majority overlooked the sincerity of that attendance for other reasons, laying the single issue aside. Then after the general election a large part of those that overlooked Paul started blaming everyone else.

Now, as we approach the next primary the ‘force’ is at work trying to coerce everyone into other possibilities. Romney, Bachmann, or Perry, neither will get support from me. In fact I wonder if anyone of them alone is ‘electable’. At this point, it’s all speculation, and I find the tactics being used against a real pro-life candidate for the primaries offensive and suspect, to say the least. I believe it’s alienating those you hope to jump on the bandwagon for whoever you’re trying to push.

I know I’m through with the whole secular mess, and even trying to discuss issues or anything else involving politics. If a secular activity like politics lacks the charity required of all Christians I cannot see how our Lord would approve of my participation.
 
The ‘joke’ candidate, as you refer to him, was the ONLY candidate to attend the pro-life rally in Washington, D.C. prior to the last presidential elections, but the majority overlooked the sincerity of that attendance for other reasons, laying the single issue aside. Then after the general election a large part of those that overlooked Paul started blaming everyone else.
I probably shouldn’t call him a joke, but honestly, I get a bit tired of folks who actually think a 77 year old right wing libertarian is going to win the nomination, let alone a general election against Obama.
Now, as we approach the next primary the ‘force’ is at work trying to coerce everyone into other possibilities. Romney, Bachmann, or Perry, neither will get support from me. In fact I wonder if anyone of them alone is ‘electable’. At this point, it’s all speculation, and I find the tactics being used against a real pro-life candidate for the primaries offensive and suspect, to say the least. I believe it’s alienating those you hope to jump on the bandwagon for whoever you’re trying to push.
That is where I think you’re wrong. I may not really like Romney, Bachmann or Perry, but I would vote for them in a heartbeat against the pro-abortion Obama, as should any Catholic seriously concerned about the sanctity of life. And again, I’m not trying to push any candidate! Why do you keep making this incorrect assertion?
I know I’m through with the whole secular mess, and even trying to discuss issues or anything else involving politics. If a secular activity like politics lacks the charity required of all Christians I cannot see how our Lord would approve of my participation.
Political discussions can get a little bit snarky at times - I am guilty of that just as much as the next person. Pardon me, but I have a hard time with people who would sacrifice the possible for the (unattainable) perfect. We need one more supreme court justice, Prodigal. I want the GOP candidate picking that justice, not the pro-abortion Obama. In the unlikely event the GOP candidate was Ron Paul, I’d not only vote for him, but I’d likely work for his victory.

Ishii
 
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As said before, Dr. Ron Paul is the most pro-life and pro-liberty candidate.

The people who tell us a candidate is electible or not is the main stream media. I hate to say it, but it’s true. They choose how to introduce and portray a candidate. They get to choose to use words like “front runner,” “long shot,” or “fringe.” When asked about the 2012 nominee Ann Coulter said, “Has the New York Times picked him out yet?” If the media gave more time to the “long shot” candidates they really wouldn’t be long shot. Why? Because all their missing is the name recognition. For example, I’m surprised no one on here really supports Rep. Thad McCotter for president. He’s one of the most pro-life conservative candidates running. But since he gets little air time you probably don’t know who he is. The media controls it.

Look at the 2008 debates and look at the 2012 debates. The language has changed. The Republican candidates appear to be more non-interventionalist. That’s a big change from 2008. But who’s the one person who’s views stayed the same? Ron Paul. Who’s the candidate who predicted the current economic crises we’re in? Ron Paul. Who is the one person who has been saying the SAME EXACT THING since they were in politics? Ron Paul. I can watch videos of his campaign from 1988 and think he said this in Iowa this morning.

That’s why I admire him. What you see is what you get. He isn’t pandering to a bloc, he is speaking his mind and his beliefs, not what people want to hear.

In fact, just until recently Rick Perry changed his stance on gay marriage. Personally, I see this as him pandering to the religious right.

I will support Ron Paul in the primaries. I’ll be out of state during my primary, but I’m gonna get every family member to go out and vote for him.

He has not discussed a third party run. I would consider it. Especially a Paul/Napolitano or Paul/Johnson ticket. True liberty tickets.

I would love Paul to win just to see Supreme Court Justice Andrew Napolitano! 👍

I hate to sound like an annoying Ron Paul troll but:
Ron Paul 2012! The rEVOLution continues.
 
Wonderful. Ron Paul has no chance of winning. Which of the serious candidates would you support?

Ishii
The leader of whichever state begins to nullify all these unconstitutional federal programs or begins to call for secession.
 
Does that include one saying that a pro-life candidate is unelectable?
Yes. Alan Keyes ran in the primaries a few years ago. He is unelectable. A vote for Alan Keyes back then or a vote for Ron Paul as a 3rd Party candidate takes away a vote for Perry or Romney who have the best chance to defeat Obama.
 
Yes. Alan Keyes ran in the primaries a few years ago. He is unelectable. A vote for Alan Keyes back then or a vote for Ron Paul as a 3rd Party candidate takes away a vote for Perry or Romney who have the best chance to defeat Obama.
…and maintain the status quo, with a few goodies thrown in to appease the religious conservative base.

I mean, Obama campaigned against McCain as the “anti-Bush Third Term” candidate, and that is exactly what he has become.
 
Wonderful. Ron Paul has no chance of winning. Which of the serious candidates would you support?

Ishii
You say he can because the media tells you and from what you’ve been seeing. From what I see, I think he does have a chance. If enough people says, “He can’t do it” he won’t do it. I refuse to say, well, he’s a long shot, so I’ll support Romney though I can’t stand him. No! Remember that Obama was a long shot in 2008.

I would not support any of the “serious” candidates (laughable term) and support the only serious candidate right now. I’ll consider who to support only after Paul steps down and then I’ll start thinking of who. But I think it’s ridiculous to force people to not support one candidate because people say he can’t. By that logic we should only have two candidates.

You know, someone should tell everyone that isn’t Michele Bachmann, Mitt Romney, or Rick Perry to step down because they’re embarrassing themselves running. To think that the establishment would let them win when we have “serious” candidates who will do anything the establishment wants.
 
You say he can because the media tells you and from what you’ve been seeing. From what I see, I think he does have a chance. If enough people says, “He can’t do it” he won’t do it. I refuse to say, well, he’s a long shot, so I’ll support Romney though I can’t stand him. No! Remember that Obama was a long shot in 2008.

I would not support any of the “serious” candidates (laughable term) and support the only serious candidate right now. I’ll consider who to support only after Paul steps down and then I’ll start thinking of who. But I think it’s ridiculous to force people to not support one candidate because people say he can’t. By that logic we should only have two candidates.

You know, someone should tell everyone that isn’t Michele Bachmann, Mitt Romney, or Rick Perry to step down because they’re embarrassing themselves running. To think that the establishment would let them win when we have “serious” candidates who will do anything the establishment wants.
You will bow to the Country Club or face the dire consequences of being considered not serious about your faith…:rolleyes:
 
The ‘joke’ candidate, as you refer to him, was the ONLY candidate to attend the pro-life rally in Washington, D.C. prior to the last presidential elections, but the majority overlooked the sincerity of that attendance for other reasons, laying the single issue aside. Then after the general election a large part of those that overlooked Paul started blaming everyone else.

Now, as we approach the next primary the ‘force’ is at work trying to coerce everyone into other possibilities. Romney, Bachmann, or Perry, neither will get support from me. In fact I wonder if anyone of them alone is ‘electable’. At this point, it’s all speculation, and I find the tactics being used against a real pro-life candidate for the primaries offensive and suspect, to say the least. I believe it’s alienating those you hope to jump on the bandwagon for whoever you’re trying to push.

I know I’m through with the whole secular mess, and even trying to discuss issues or anything else involving politics. If a secular activity like politics lacks the charity required of all Christians I cannot see how our Lord would approve of my participation.
What it boils down to is that some people will try to emotionally coerce people to vote for the candidate of their choice by criticizing everything the voter says…because they want the voter to say they will vote for the candidate they are pushing. So nothing the voter says will be sufficient.

No matter what you say, if you don’t vote for the candidate they want you to vote for, you are wrong wrong wrong. I used to read people posting that they would vote for the most pro-life candidate, even if they were the independent or not likely to win – because their vote counts and that’s how they want to vote. But now others are criticizing that…because it will take votes away from their preferred candidate. It’s politics. They’re lobbying for votes. It’s nothing personal.

I just read the statement put out by the US Bishops, look at all the issues and wiegh them against each other and then cast my vote for the person that I theink will screw up things for the country and our people the least.

We all have our opinions about the events of the weekend before August 2nd, and we all feel strongly about it. If you ask ten people who stayed glued to CNN and CNN.com from that Thurs to Monday, you’ll probably have ten varied opininons on it. But after the weekend before August 2, I know I will never ever vote for a tea party candidate for any election ever. Everything else is negotiable. And I will vote the way I feel is best for our country and people. Everyone should do the same without feeling like they are being coerced.

If I really like the independent and think he’s great, then I would lobby for him. I would talk about him to my family and friends, and make him more than just an independent with no chance of winning. I’d show people how he has voted, what his platform is, etc. I am not throwing away a vote by voting for the candidate I feel is the best for our country. That’s what I am supposed to be doing with my vote — not voting for someone because someone else tells me to…
 
And I will vote the way I feel is best for our country and people. Everyone should do the same without feeling like they are being coerced.
I’ve given up on folks trying to coerce me into voting for the Republican candidate. Let them vote for their “serious” candidate. I, too, will vote for the man I consider to be serious.
I am not throwing away a vote by voting for the candidate I feel is the best for our country. That’s what I am supposed to be doing with my vote — not voting for someone because someone else tells me to…
There is no such thing as throwing away a vote, in my opinion. One does not have to vote for the likely winner. It’s not a bandwagon.
 
No, you don’t have to listen to me. But if you are a Catholic who values the sanctity of life, you ought to vote for the most electable pro-life candidate.

Ishii
I find this to be misrepresentative of the Church’s teachings and condescending. It is Republican statements like this that drove me out of the party. No, I do not support the current two party system. No, I no longer support the Republican Party, especially financially, even though I used to. No, this in no way reflects a less pro-life or a less “Catholic” position. Rather, the Catholic Church teaches a far different view of responsible citizenship than you do. I will follow the Catholic Church over Republicans.
So you are going to help reelect the most pro-abortion president in the history United States because some anonymous Internet posters hurt your feelings?
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama? I wish the Catholics here would read what bishops say and stop going beyond what the Church actually teaches. I am tired of the totally lack of respect given to the opinions of others, even when they are 100% within Catholic guidelines and well-reasoned.
 
I find this to be misrepresentative of the Church’s teachings and condescending. It is Republican statements like this that drove me out of the party. No, I do not support the current two party system. No, I no longer support the Republican Party, especially financially, even though I used to. No, this in no way reflects a less pro-life or a less “Catholic” position. Rather, the Catholic Church teaches a far different view of responsible citizenship than you do. I will follow the Catholic Church over Republicans.
The Church says we can not vote for a pro-abortion canidate. I am at a loss as to why that simple statment of fact would drive you out of any political party (although it does make it quite difficult to find a canodate to vote for in one of the parties)or how that in any way translates into “condescension”
 
. There is absolutely nothing wrong with stating the truth.
Unless you have a measure of divinity and can see the future, I submit that what you call truth is only opinion. Did you think if you and ishii say the same opinion often enough it will eventually become Truth?
 
Unless you have a measure of divinity and can see the future, I submit that what you call truth is only opinion. Did you think if you and ishii say the same opinion often enough it will eventually become Truth?
I can read opinion polls. Again i will be shocked if his support ever rises out of single digits. I would vote for him if he is the Republican nomine but that is about as likely as me getting the nomination.
 
or how that in any way translates into “condescension”
Ishii says Ron Paul is unelectable. Therefore, if I vote for him, according to that post, I am not a Catholic who values the sancity of life, in his opinion.

If I suggested that you were not all that pro-life or being a good Catholic in an area that you were following the Church 100%, how would you feel? I think we forget the Golden Rule here.
 
I can read opinion polls. Again i will be shocked if his support ever rises out of single digits. I would vote for him if he is the Republican nomine but that is about as likely as me getting the nomination.
You see, that I understand. However, let us not forget how earlier in the game this is. There is no clear front-runner and the field is wide. It is very possible that the eventual winner will be someone who is now in the single digits.
 
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