Catholics for Ron Paul Coalition

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jam070406 said:
So it would be Ron Paul supporter’s fault that other people actually voted for Obama?
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That is the general line. You can’t really vote for whom you feel most comfortable. You have to vote to defeat the guy you like the least. I won’t compromise on it anymore.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
That is the general line. You can’t really vote for whom you feel most comfortable. You have to vote to defeat the guy you like the least. I won’t compromise on it anymore.
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There’s enough fault to go around, even to those who say that others are at fault. It may take a compromise on their part to help put forth a ‘moderate’ candidate that a majority are comfortable with supporting. Even then it’s speculation, and a search for the best candidate. 🤷
 
In last night’s debate, Paul stated that a nuclear Iran would not be a threat to our national security. His ignorance of foreign policy is scary. I can’t belive people are considering voting for him.
 
Adonis33 said:
In last night’s debate, Paul stated that a nuclear Iran would not be a threat to our national security. His ignorance of foreign policy is scary. I can’t belive people are considering voting for him.
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They find those WMDs in Iraq yet?
 
Adonis33 said:
In last night’s debate, Paul stated that a nuclear Iran would not be a threat to our national security. His ignorance of foreign policy is scary. I can’t belive people are considering voting for him.
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With our constant agitation and Team American World Police Force policies of the last 50 years, we are a threat to our own national security. Its amazing when you hear that people hold grudges against you when you supply arms to their enemies in an effort to destroy them, operate clandestinely in their country without permission, foment political disorder, etc…
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
With our constant agitation and Team American World Police Force policies of the last 50 years, we are a threat to our own national security. Its amazing when you hear that people hold grudges against you when you supply arms to their enemies in an effort to destroy them, operate clandestinely in their country without permission, foment political disorder, etc…
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I understand his isolationist sentiment, I don’t agree with it, but I can appreciate why he feels that way, however - this doesn’t make a nuclear Iran any less dangerous. And his statement to that a nuclear Iran is not a danger to our National Security makes him ignorant of our foreign policy.

Even if I concede that maybe we should not have gotten involved half a century ago, what is his solution today? Stay out of it? What if Iran uses a Nuke against Isreal, or what if Isreal conducts air strikes against Iran’s nuclear plant’s. Should we still stay out of it? Should we not be concerned about unrest in the Middle East, and how it impacts our economy?
 
jam070406 said:
So it would be Ron Paul supporter’s fault that other people actually voted for Obama?
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No, how could you conclude that from my post? It would be the Ron Paul voter’s fault for voting for a (joke) “perfect” candidate with no chance to win, in order to “feel good” and not voting for the most electable pro-life candidate who is flawed. Twist it around if want, but what I’ve been saying is political reality: especially in a close election, voting for a 3rd party candidate has an effect on the general election between the two major candidates since the Democrat comes from the left and the Republican comes from the right of the spectrum. A vote for Paul in would take away votes from the GOP candidate. In 2012, this would have the effect of helping Obama win and give us more pro-abortion justices and socialism.

Ishii
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
That is the general line. You can’t really vote for whom you feel most comfortable. You have to vote to defeat the guy you like the least. I won’t compromise on it anymore.
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I would agree that for a lot of people, voting for Ron Paul is “more comfortable”. But if you don’t compromise then you indirectly help the greater evil prevail.
 
ishii said:
No, how could you conclude that from my post? It would be the Ron Paul voter’s fault for voting for a (joke) “perfect” candidate with no chance to win, in order to “feel good” and not voting for the most electable pro-life candidate who is flawed. Twist it around if want, but what I’ve been saying is political reality: especially in a close election, voting for a 3rd party candidate has an effect on the general election between the two major candidates since the Democrat comes from the left and the Republican comes from the right of the spectrum. A vote for Paul in would take away votes from the GOP candidate. In 2012, this would have the effect of helping Obama win and give us more pro-abortion justices and socialism.

Ishii
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There is no twisting. It’s not Paul supporters fault that there are people, including Catholics, that are dumb enough to vote for Obama. And no ammount of guilt trips can change that.
 
Adonis33 said:
I understand his isolationist sentiment, I don’t agree with it, but I can appreciate why he feels that way, however - this doesn’t make a nuclear Iran any less dangerous. And his statement to that a nuclear Iran is not a danger to our National Security makes him ignorant of our foreign policy.

Even if I concede that maybe we should not have gotten involved half a century ago, what is his solution today? Stay out of it? What if Iran uses a Nuke against Isreal, or what if Isreal conducts air strikes against Iran’s nuclear plant’s. Should we still stay out of it? Should we not be concerned about unrest in the Middle East, and how it impacts our economy?
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Heaven forbid we try peace and diplomacy. “Blessed are the peace makers”
 
jam070406 said:
There is no twisting. It’s not Paul supporters fault that there are people, including Catholics, that are dumb enough to vote for Obama. And no ammount of guilt trips can change that.
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You’re confused. Its not the *support *for Obama, its the *not voting *for the electable candidate who will defeat Obama that I am concerned about.

Ishii
 
jam070406 said:
Heaven forbid we try peace and diplomacy. “Blessed are the peace makers”
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“The Zionist regime wants to establish its base upon the ruins of the civilizations of the region…The uniform shout of the Iranian nation is forever ‘Death to Israel.’…”

– Ahmadinejad, October 2009

“Death to America” is a common chant in Iran. Iran is not interested in Peace and Diplomacy.

Again, if Iran used a nuke on Isreal, or if Isreal took out Iran’s nuclear plants, what would Paul do, as POTUS. Stay out of it? What if these actions led to an incredible amount of unrest in the Middle East? Would Pres. Paul still stay out of it? What if Isreal asked, as an allie, for our assistance. Stay out of it? What if OPEC, due to the unrest, jacks up the cost of oil? Stay out of it? Does Pres. Paul have any idea how the cost oo oil directly impacts our economy?

Based on his comments yesterday - he does not.
 
ishii said:
You’re confused. Its not the *support *for Obama, its the *not voting *for the electable candidate who will defeat Obama that I am concerned about.

Ishii
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Not Confused. You shift blame. You should be more worried about those that actually vote for Obama. Because I heard the same tired old lame excuse that steared people away from voting their conscience, with regards to conservative candidates, last election and Obama still won.
 
Adonis33 said:
“The Zionist regime wants to establish its base upon the ruins of the civilizations of the region…The uniform shout of the Iranian nation is forever ‘Death to Israel.’…”

– Ahmadinejad, October 2009

“Death to America” is a common chant in Iran. Iran is not interested in Peace and Diplomacy.

Again, if Iran used a nuke on Isreal, or if Isreal took out Iran’s nuclear plants, what would Paul do, as POTUS. Stay out of it? What if these actions led to an incredible amount of unrest in the Middle East? Would Pres. Paul still stay out of it? What if Isreal asked, as an allie, for our assistance. Stay out of it? What if OPEC, due to the unrest, jacks up the cost of oil? Stay out of it? Does Pres. Paul have any idea how the cost oo oil directly impacts our economy?

Based on his comments yesterday - he does not.
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These are big “ifs”. How do you know Iran wouldn’t talk under new leadership?
The neocons and mainstream media pound the war drum. Why would you be suprised that people in Iran have ill will against us, or may be frightened, when they see us invading their neighbors and our army inching closer to them. And the constant talk in the press that we should bomb them. Maybe they wanna be left alone.

I’m sure if attacked Ron Paul would take appropriate action, with approval from Congress, as he has stated.
 
jam070406 said:
These are big “ifs”. How do you know Iran wouldn’t talk under new leadership?
The neocons and mainstream media pound the war drum. Why would you be suprised that people in Iran have ill will against us, or may be frightened, when they see us invading their neighbors and our army inching closer to them. And the constant talk in the press that we should bomb them. Maybe they wanna be left alone.

I’m sure if attacked Ron Paul would take appropriate action, with approval from Congress, as he has stated.
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Exactly, Ron would wait for the Senate to grow a pair and actually declare war on Iran, then he would act on that. What about this is so difficult to grasp?
 
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