Catholics...For Your Advise.

[Anna_Scott]

Javl & AmateurPianist,

Well, you both put me to shame. Your responses to the OP were far more charitable than mine. I’ve taken a few “poundings” lately, and unfortunately, the residual effect carried over in some of my responses.

My apologies to the OP,
Anna

Don’t take it so hard, Anna. I’ve been in the same boat myself and had to be taken down a peg or two. Charity, patience and fortitude! God Bless.

Len

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

Javl:

You are very kind.

Anna

 

[spockrates]

Guess Mosack ain’t comin’ back!

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

A great post, and thank you. We can all learn from you with your understanding. Too often we go at each other, not only with tooth and nail but many times with AK-47s and elephant guns. I know, I learned my lesson. Again, thank you and God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

You are welcome. I think the part about Mary is the best part of the post, as it really clears up what is meant by “Mother of God”:

“…Traditionally, to “mother” is to bear, while to “father” is to originate. Mary “bore” God in her womb, so she is “Theotokos”: God-bearer. In English we say “Mother of God” since she bore God in her womb. She did not originate God, she bore him.”

 

[Javl]

Javl:

You are very kind.

Anna

Pssst, Anna, don’t tell anyone , but I’m trying to be humble!

Len

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Mosacked]

I have found it difficult to convince either way without causing too much discomfort. So I think I’ll let this thread rest. Until another suitable thread comes along for a fitting comment, thanks for all your kind replies.

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in Him. - Amen

• I still don’t see why there’s a need for me to speak to my Father through somebody else when I can speak to Him directly and clearly, or have someone or some people convey messages that they claim is from Him. Perhaps if I cannot speak to Him, I may resort to the latter, but I’m not in that situation.

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[Irish_Catholic_1]

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in Him.

Matt 28:16-20: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

 

[1ke]

I have found it difficult to convince either way without causing too much discomfort. So I think I’ll let this thread rest. Until another suitable thread comes along for a fitting comment, thanks for all your kind replies…

Translation:

When I am given well-reasoned answers to my questions I cannot refute, I simply walk away from the thread I started without responding.

So, again I ask you, are you a Christian or are you a Netorian? Is Jesus God? Is Mary his mother?

 

[ricko]

I have found it difficult to convince either way without causing too much discomfort. So I think I’ll let this thread rest. Until another suitable thread comes along for a fitting comment, thanks for all your kind replies.

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in Him. - Amen

*** I still don’t see why there’s a need for me to speak to my Father through somebody else when I can speak to Him directly and clearly, or have someone or some people convey messages that they claim is from Him. Perhaps if I cannot speak to Him, I may resort to the latter, but I’m not in that situation.**

I wish you would tell us where you got the above teaching in bold from as that is not a Catholic teaching/belief. So where did you learn this from?.

 

[Javl]

I have found it difficult to convince either way without causing too much discomfort. So I think I’ll let this thread rest. Until another suitable thread comes along for a fitting comment, thanks for all your kind replies.

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in Him. - Amen

• I still don’t see why there’s a need for me to speak to my Father through somebody else when I can speak to Him directly and clearly, or have someone or some people convey messages that they claim is from Him. Perhaps if I cannot speak to Him, I may resort to the latter, but I’m not in that situation.

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When all else fails…QUIT!

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Anna_Scott]

I have found it difficult to convince either way without causing too much discomfort. So I think I’ll let this thread rest. Until another suitable thread comes along for a fitting comment, thanks for all your kind replies.

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in Him. - Amen

• I still don’t see why there’s a need for me to speak to my Father through somebody else when I can speak to Him directly and clearly, or have someone or some people convey messages that they claim is from Him. Perhaps if I cannot speak to Him, I may resort to the latter, but I’m not in that situation.

Mosacked,

I urge you not to quit. If you approach another Thread in the same way, the results will be no different than on this Thread.

Just take in what has been said here. You don’t have to agree with all the beliefs of Catholicism; but you can obtain some clarity regarding what Catholics actually believe.

It is okay to be wrong. I should know. I am probably wrong more than I am right.

I came to these forums with many misconceptions about Catholicism. The anti-Catholic rhetoric is prevalent in Protestant Churches, so I do understand.

Just know that this is a good place to sift out the misconceptions.

A Protestant Friend,
Anna

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

Mosacked,

I urge you not to quit. If you approach another Thread in the same way, the results will be no different than on this Thread.

Just take in what has been said here. You don’t have to agree with all the beliefs of Catholicism; but you can obtain some clarity regarding what Catholics actually believe.

It is okay to be wrong. I should know. I am probably wrong more than I am right.

I came to these forums with many misconceptions about Catholicism. The anti-Catholic rhetoric is prevalent in Protestant Churches, so I do understand.

Just know that this is a good place to sift out the misconceptions.

A Protestant Friend,
Anna

You are a good person

 

[wisdomseeker]

I have found it difficult to convince either way without causing too much discomfort. So I think I’ll let this thread rest. Until another suitable thread comes along for a fitting comment, thanks for all your kind replies.

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in Him. - Amen

• I still don’t see why there’s a need for me to speak to my Father through somebody else when I can speak to Him directly and clearly, or have someone or some people convey messages that they claim is from Him. Perhaps if I cannot speak to Him, I may resort to the latter, but I’m not in that situation.

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i guess this contradicts what Jesus said: Go and teach all nations…

 

[Anna_Scott]

Mosacked,

I urge you not to quit. If you approach another Thread in the same way, the results will be no different than on this Thread.

Just take in what has been said here. You don’t have to agree with all the beliefs of Catholicism; but you can obtain some clarity regarding what Catholics actually believe.

It is okay to be wrong. I should know. I am probably wrong more than I am right.

I came to these forums with many misconceptions about Catholicism. The anti-Catholic rhetoric is prevalent in Protestant Churches, so I do understand.

Just know that this is a good place to sift out the misconceptions.

A Protestant Friend,
Anna

You are a good person

Irish:

I see you are online, and we are posting on the same Threads.

I appreciate the compliment, but I don’t feel like a good person. My failings make for a long list.

Anna

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

Irish:

I see you are online, and we are posting on the same Threads.

I appreciate the compliment, but I don’t feel like a good person. My failings make for a long list.

Anna

BAHHHH! Poppycock.

You’re a good person. It shows in your speech and the way you address people.

We all have failings. No biggie. But I do know what you are trying to say

 

[kfinstad]

… 1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in Him. - Amen

• I still don’t see why there’s a need for me to speak to my Father through somebody else when I can speak to Him directly and clearly, … .

I think, that verse speaks to the hierarchy of the Roman Rite, and confessing to God is always right; He is forgiving.

 

[Bill_Pick]

No offense I hope, just trying to make Catholics ‘see’ how some of us think.

1 – If the Sacraments themselves can save, doesn’t that mean that if a deviously evil man were to also partake of the Holy Communion, he would join you in your heaven? (please don’t reply and say he wouldn’t attend because even the evil Pharisees went for baptism at the Jordan river)

2 – If Mary was the mother of God, just because she gave birth to Jesus who is God, doesn’t that mean that if you put the foetus of humans into the body of a monkey, then that monkey would be the mother of humans? (no offense, but it’s the closest analogy I can think of).

3 – If the Catholic church is above scripture like what some people here say to explain why they do not follow certain scriptural teachings, wouldn’t that be refuting what God taught? So, is God the master or the disciple?

Hope to see some clear and objective answers.

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Read the verse and see if you understand Luke 1:28-39,Luke 1:42,Luke 1:48, if this does not help,you are pass help

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

I think, that verse speaks to the hierarchy of the Roman Rite, and confessing to God is always right; He is forgiving.

If we did not need men to teach us, then Jesus would not have appointed teachers:

Matt 28:16-20: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

Also, people seem to be missing a little irony here: In 1 John 2:27, when John says you do not need anyone to teach you, who is saying that? John is! LOL. He is offering a teaching here. So if we shouldn’t have teachers, then you should not listen to that verse.

Wrap your heads around THAT perpetual circle! That could burn out a Start Trek computer.

 

[Bill_Pick]

No offense I hope, just trying to make Catholics ‘see’ how some of us think.

1 – If the Sacraments themselves can save, doesn’t that mean that if a deviously evil man were to also partake of the Holy Communion, he would join you in your heaven? (please don’t reply and say he wouldn’t attend because even the evil Pharisees went for baptism at the Jordan river)

2 – If Mary was the mother of God, just because she gave birth to Jesus who is God, doesn’t that mean that if you put the foetus of humans into the body of a monkey, then that monkey would be the mother of humans? (no offense, but it’s the closest analogy I can think of).

3 – If the Catholic church is above scripture like what some people here say to explain why they do not follow certain scriptural teachings, wouldn’t that be refuting what God taught? So, is God the master or the disciple?

Hope to see some clear and objective answers.

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This is one of the most hateful post I have read in the last 6 years,and I will pray for your soul and may God help you.
You do not know a thing about being a Cathloic, What Church do you belong to. I.l betting it is not a Cathloic or a Christian church may be a very weird church

 

[Javl]

Irish:

I see you are online, and we are posting on the same Threads.

I appreciate the compliment, but I don’t feel like a good person. My failings make for a long list.

Anna

Anna:

please excuse me for putting in my two cents worth, but please don’t ever deride yourself again. You are one of the best persons in this forum and I am proud to know you and call you a friend. So, please don’t do that again. :tsktsk:

Len

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[kfinstad]

If we did not need men to teach us, then Jesus would not have appointed teachers: … .

I have no issue with people, having a need for a teacher, or teachers. To me: it is self-evident. Will you point to me; where I wrote something, that, specifically, confused you.