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larkin31
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was this a “Yes, God controls plate tectonics each day” or a “No, plate tectonics occur due to the results of gravity and rotation of the earth and the physical nature of the geology of the earth”?
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NE_Catholic
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talk about an off course thread!
pull it back people!
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larkin31
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Ask the poster who brought up literal interpretations of the Bible (Sodom and Gomorrah). I did not bring it up. I followed a claim with a question to look for consistency in argument.
See above for details.
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estesbob
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Since the church does not base its condemnation of homosexual behavior on a literal interpretation of Scripture is totally irrelevant to the discussion. Likewise a discussion on the science of what causes homosexuality is also irrelevant as it is the behavior that is being condemned-not the inclination .
So to get back on topic do you disagree with the Churches teaching on the sinfulness of homosexual marriage?
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larkin31
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I disagree with it on nearly every point.
And a literal interpretation of Onan is required for Catholics, is it not?
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NE_Catholic
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you would think with 3000+ POSTS you would have trolling down pat. :tsktsk:
c’mon, you MUST know some Catholic Dogma by now?
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estesbob
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No there are less than a half dozen verses the Church has definitve interpretations of and thiis is not ione of them
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Cracker_Mom
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OK, which points DO you agree with the Church re homosexual unions? Just curious…
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Cracker_Mom
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I really like this response.
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larkin31
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You’ve been here just a month, and you are calling me a troll? What’s up with you?
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larkin31
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Wait.
Fewer than 6 in the entire Bible on any topic?
Or fewer than 6 on this topic of homosexuality?
And I wonder what you mean by “definitive”? Do you mean that the RCC lets us read the Onan story as NOT literally about extra-vaginal ejaculation?
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larkin31
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That gays should be treated with compassion and charity, equal to that owed heterosexuals and ALL people.
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NE_Catholic
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I could be here an HOUR and see it
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larkin31
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You trying to make this personal, or would you like to discuss the topic? Just be clear, please, about your intentions in this thread.
I’ll repeat what your own Catholic news-bot posted here: many many Catholics support civil unions for gays. The reason, I would guess, is that many religious people actually do see a separation between equal treatment under the law and trying to legislate religious sexual morality into the private lives of consenting adults. More and more, persons of all faiths are trying to do less of the latter and more of the former. I am in favor of both trends.
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you should know some Catholic Dogma before starting in on the OT
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beehumble
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for larkin et al:
Compassion for gays includes reminding them that engaging in homosexual acts, without repenting of it, will result in such person finding his or her self in hell upon death, for all eternity.
But fret not, the Catholic Church does not single out gays, even if many gays think so. The Catholic Church is hard on everybody. My understanding of the teaching is basically this:
Any person who engages in any sexual act outside the boundary of Holy Matrimony between a man and woman has comiited a grave sin and unless he or she repents will be in hell upon death.
So you see, the rule about sex is the same for everybody. Sex is only allowed between a married man and woman.
Take care.
Compassion for gays includes reminding them that engaging in homosexual acts, without repenting of it, will result in such person finding his or her self in hell upon death, for all eternity.
But fret not, the Catholic Church does not single out gays, even if many gays think so. The Catholic Church is hard on everybody. My understanding of the teaching is basically this:
Any person who engages in any sexual act outside the boundary of Holy Matrimony between a man and woman has comiited a grave sin and unless he or she repents will be in hell upon death.
So you see, the rule about sex is the same for everybody. Sex is only allowed between a married man and woman.
Take care.
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larkin31
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I am not the topic of this thread.
Do you not have anything to say about the topic of the thread?
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larkin31
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Is this a certainty? And are all that majority of Catholics who support civil unions going to hell if they don’t repent that political position?
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beehumble
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Yes it is a certainty.
Note the distinction I made - “…engaging in homosexual acts…” Engaging in action means an act of the will. We are judged on our actions. Our actions reveal our will. Teaching others that engaging in homosexual union (or any sexual act outside of marriage) is not harmful, likewise is an action - the act of teaching a falsehood that could bring harm to another’s soul. And if a Catholic does not act to properly learn and respond to the Truth of the Gospel found in his or her Catholic Church, that person has failed and is responsible too.
We are not to support and defend sexual acts outside of marriage, just as we are not to support and defend a person’s right to abortion. Doing so puts our souls in grave danger.
The Catholic Church never says who is in hell, only who is in heaven. All I can say is that it brings grave danger to one’s soul to support civil unions if that term means homosexual acts vs. a ‘platonic union’ where no sexual acts are involved.
But it is a certainty that someone who engages in homosexual acts and does not repent will find themselves in hell. Repentance is available to all, even to the last breath of life, because the greatest attribute of God is His Mercy.
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larkin31
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Thanks for the sincere reply. I do find these three statements contradictory, but I will leave it at that. I understand fully that Catholics consider some forms of sexuality “grave sin.” My church never taught such a thing about consensual adult non-reproductive sex. But I belonged to and was raised in a liberal Protestant church. And it still shows.
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