Catholics in US overwhelmingly support homosexual unions [CWN]

[StTommyMore]

yes?

“Do not judge” is the devil’s favorite scripture. When Jesus tells us not to judge, it is that we are not to condemn another’s soul. This does not say we should not warn others about sin.

 

[rlg94086]

“Do not judge” is the devil’s favorite scripture. When Jesus tells us not to judge, it is that we are not to condemn another’s soul. This does not say we should not warn others about sin.

What is truly ironic is the judgmental attitude of those who misuse the “do not judge” as a bludgeon. They admonish others for admonishing and judge others for being judgmental.

 

[edwest2]

That’s another aspect of political correctness: that anyone who critictises homosexuality and its promotion is a ‘hater’.

I think it’s called congnitive dissonance. You introduce two conflicting ideas into someone’s mind

1. That homsexual acts are depraved
2. That despising these and those who promote them is bigotry.

To resolve the tension, the person, who thinks of themselves as ‘nice’, eases the tension by accepting proposition 2) above.

Like who wants to be a bigot, right? And thus the trick is done.

Fascinating, really, how our generation now happily promotes things our ancestors would have thought depraved. And feels pious in doing so!

And who encourages them to think this way? Certainly not the Church but every media device you can think of.

Jesus did not condemn the woman about to be stoned to death, and he told her to go and sin no more. Jesus came to call sinners to repentence and He still calls each of us today. Even the Pope goes to confession.

Those who see no God can not hear or see. The truth eludes them and having itching ears, they heap up for themselves teachers. If the blind lead the blind then both will fall in the ditch.

May I say, if one accepts the illusion of external hatred to cover up the truth, what has he gained?

God bless,
Ed

 

[larkin31]

“Do not judge” is the devil’s favorite scripture. When Jesus tells us not to judge, it is that we are not to condemn another’s soul. This does not say we should not warn others about sin.

I’ll take that as a “No”.

 

[CradleCath]

Rarely.

And I don’t remember Jesus ever asking that we do this toward each other.

Really?? One of the most difficult conversations I’ve held in my life, came about because I loved someone enough to worry about their soul.
About 20 years ago, my son’s wife (then girl friend) wanted to live together before marriage. I spent 3 hours alone in a car, talking to the two of them about it. I knew that I was taking a chance of losing both of them, but **real **Catholic love…is a love that cares enough about their eternal souls…to TAKE that chance. I was blessed & the two of them knew that I spoke out of concern, not condemnation. They did not live together, in fact, within a month they were taking pre-cana classes.

They received the Sacrament of Marriage about a year later. Within 5 years my daughter-in-law became a Catholic…bringing her parents into the Church with her.

This lifetime is short, our eternal life is not. I have my husband, my children & three really close friends who love me. If they saw me
do something that would endanger my eternal soul, **you bet **they’d admonish me.

BTW. the definition of “admonishment” is:
An expression of warning or disapproval in a gentle, earnest, or solicitous manner.

The definition of compassion is:
sympathetic consciousness of others’ distress together with a desire to alleviate it.

 

[jackangelo1]

Correct. The pride is not in being homosexual though. It is in being human; made in the likeness of God. I’ve never understood identifying oneself by their sexual inclination, especially a disordered inclination. There are people whose trial is compulsive masturbation. They don’t choose to be compulsive masturbators, but that doesnt make their inclination or behavior something to celebrate. These people also have great talents and gifts, but you don’t see a lot of compulsive masturbator pride parades.

LETS FACE THE TRUTH? God created Man
and Woman, Man created homosexuality,and the demeaning of sex?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Correct. The pride is not in being homosexual though. It is in being human; made in the likeness of God. I’ve never understood identifying oneself by their sexual inclination, especially a disordered inclination. There are people whose trial is compulsive masturbation. They don’t choose to be compulsive masturbators, but that doesnt make their inclination or behavior something to celebrate. These people also have great talents and gifts, but you don’t see a lot of compulsive masturbator pride parades.

Ya, I think I would take a pass on that one. Imagine Hollywood getting all weeweed up about that like they do about someone who “comes out of the closet”?

 

[Tigg]

Rarely.

And I don’t remember Jesus ever asking that we do this toward each other.
Tigg;7200675:

Extending moral clarity and admonishing the sinner is an act of spiritual love.

Does your response come from your unbelief? We know we will live forever…in this sense salvation is more important to us than the body.

The CC teaches that admonishing the sinner is one of the seven spiritual works of mercy. Note the word mercy, again, desiring for another that which would be their highest gain.

 

[Tigg]

Whether or not the posters are experts, it certainly is a blood sport on this Forum. It does often tend to be a game of “Gotcha!,” but I don’t think anyone wants it otherwise.

Does anyone honestly think that minds will be changed by the points they make in their debates here? I think not.

The wind will blow where it will. Do not stifle the Spirit, etc. Who knows when a mere word, or a link, or an article quoted may plant the seed of conversion.

 

[CradleCath]

Ya, I think I would take a pass on that one. Imagine Hollywood getting all weeweed up about that like they do about someone who “comes out of the closet”?

Do you think that we’ll have Adultery Pride Parades? Tiger W. could be the Grand Marshall. Perhaps we could get the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to take up the cause of Gluttons, Liars & Narcissists. That way, we could lobby for the “uncondemning” of about half of the Seven Deadly Sins.

We ALL sin, including me…but I’m not proud of it.

thesisters.org/meet_farflung.html

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Do you think that we’ll have Adultery Pride Parades? Tiger W. could be the Grand Marshall. Perhaps we could get the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to take up the cause of Gluttons, Liars & Narcissists. That way, we could lobby for the “uncondemning” of about half of the Seven Deadly Sins.

We ALL sin, including me…but I’m not proud of it.

thesisters.org/meet_farflung.html

So we can have Glutton Pride parades (skip the parade and just move on to the pizza and funnel cakes), Lecher Pride Parades (New Orleans Mardi Gras Parade?), Pride…Pride(?) parades (imagine a Pride Parade about being full of pride?, oye) Rage Pride Parade (YIKES!), Greed Pride Parade (who would pay for it?), Envy Pride Parade (It would have to be better than all the others), Sloth Pride Parade (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, no one would organize it or bother showing up!)

 

[Layman]

It’s charity to say to someone: “You’re doing wrong and here’s why”. Your blunt statement may awaken their conscience. Especially as people confuse ‘niceness’ with Christian charity these days. So they might never hear the Christian truth.

I understand there’s a special Mass still going on in London aimed at perverts. The controversy is that its seen as giving the notion that what they do is tolerable in Christianity.

It’s like being nice to murderers without stating that they have to stop, or be damned.

Also, using the parable of the woman taken in adultery to stop all judgement is wrong. I understand that parable as a warning about hypocrisy i.e. “Are you prepared to be judged as you judge others?”.

Judges make judgements about people. We all do, otherwise we’d be half-dead and skint within a month.

 

[estesbob]

Here is the whole thing:

I take this to be more about wrongs committed against others and trying to redress them with witnesses. I don’t see anything about admonishment, nor about sexual sin, certainly. The prior passage is about lost sheep; this one is not.

I’ll have to admit I find it rather humorous to be debating Scripture with an atheist but, the passage is very clear. It says what it says Also you make the common mistake of claiming that unless Jesus says something it doesn’t matter. There are numerous, numerous, Scripture passages telling us we should admonish sinners for their own good. For those of us who believe that Scripture is inspired word of God all Scripture carries the same weight -regardless of whether it was said by Jesus or not. To those who do not believe in God I’m a loss as to why they would be quoting what they would have to consider to be a book of fiction to back up their arguments.

 

[edwest2]

Do you think that we’ll have Adultery Pride Parades? Tiger W. could be the Grand Marshall. Perhaps we could get the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to take up the cause of Gluttons, Liars & Narcissists. That way, we could lobby for the “uncondemning” of about half of the Seven Deadly Sins.

We ALL sin, including me…but I’m not proud of it.

thesisters.org/meet_farflung.html

I’m a moderator on another forum where one poster summed it all up: “We never want to feel guilty or ashamed or sinful ever again.”

This is the guiding philosophy for some people. This is their idea of freedom. The form of living out this freedom often occurs in being slaves to their own flesh. The good is called evil because it makes them uncomfortable. Anything that makes them feel good must be praised by others - regardless of how perverted it is.

Yeah, just like a slogan that appeared a long time ago on the wall of a university in Paris: It is forbidden to forbid!

Uh, huh.

God bless,
Ed

 

[rlg94086]

I’m a moderator on another forum where one poster summed it all up: “We never want to feel guilty or ashamed or sinful ever again.”

This is the guiding philosophy for some people. This is their idea of freedom. The form of living out this freedom often occurs in being slaves to their own flesh. The good is called evil because it makes them uncomfortable. Anything that makes them feel good must be praised by others - regardless of how perverted it is.

Yeah, just like a slogan that appeared a long time ago on the wall of a university in Paris: It is forbidden to forbid!

Uh, huh.

God bless,
Ed

Exactly. That is why many choose agnosticism or relativism. It is easier to live life guilt free, if you don’t believe in absolutes. You just rationalize whatever you want.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

Do you think that we’ll have Adultery Pride Parades? Tiger W. could be the Grand Marshall. Perhaps we could get the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence to take up the cause of Gluttons, Liars & Narcissists. That way, we could lobby for the “uncondemning” of about half of the Seven Deadly Sins.

We ALL sin, including me…but I’m not proud of it.

thesisters.org/meet_farflung.html

The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence qualified as a 501c3 nonprofit ?!?

Definition:

501c3, also called a “Not-for profit corporation”. Such corporations are founded with a specific goal or purpose in mind, usually – but not necessarily – related to education, charity work or the arts. As such, they may be – and often are – exempt from many taxes and tax regulations.

The same is true of charitable and educational organizations. Numerous Federal and State grants are available to non-profit organizations that cannot be applied for any other way. So – what is your passion? The arts? Education? Providing affordable housing to low-income people? Historical preservation? There are even non-profit sports organizations. You won’t get rich, but by incorporating as a non-profit entity, chances are good that you’ll be able to pursue activities that nourish your soul while retaining the ability to pay the bills.

The pendulum swung too far. What happened to our leaders?

I guess there is no criterion for nobility of mission. The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence might be able to argue they have “passion”, that is, the passion to earn tax benefits in ridicule of nuns and society as a whole. It could not be because they desire for “the nourishment of souls” because it is doubtful they believe in the soul. If they do, they must have a different meaning to “soul”.

Supporters of the gay agenda operate with different meanings to words like “charity” and “compassion.”

. . . . . .

 

[larkin31]

Does your response come from your unbelief? We know we will live forever…in this sense salvation is more important to us than the body.

Yeah, that priority is dangerous to justice on this planet. I don’t trust it. It has been used to trump all sorts of worldly concerns.

 

[jackangelo1]

I’ll have to admit I find it rather humorous to be debating Scripture with an atheist but, the passage is very clear. It says what it says Also you make the common mistake of claiming that unless Jesus says something it doesn’t matter. There are numerous, numerous, Scripture passages telling us we should admonish sinners for their own good. For those of us who believe that Scripture is inspired word of God all Scripture carries the same weight -regardless of whether it was said by Jesus or not. To those who do not believe in God I’m a loss as to why they would be quoting what they would have to consider to be a book of fiction to back up their arguments.

Exactl.y! How in Gods name could a faithful Catholic debate,have discussions with atheist,agnostics,homosexuals,or even Protestents,Because they think their right and Catho,ics dont know what their talking about.? Catholics need to talk ,more often, with each other than with the lesser folks? And thats why I belong to 20 Catholic sites.

 

[larkin31]

Exactl.y! How in Gods name could a faithful Catholic debate,have discussions with atheist,agnostics,homosexuals,or even Protestents,Because they think their right and Catho,ics dont know what their talking about.? Catholics need to talk ,more often, with each other than with the lesser folks? And thats why I belong to 20 Catholic sites.

There are other people on the planet, right? Not all Catholics even marry in their own faith, so, um, you gotta talk to someone.

20 Catholic sites?! Wow. That’s a lot of tabs open, dude!

 

[buffalo]

Exactly. That is why many choose agnosticism or relativism. It is easier to live life guilt free, if you don’t believe in absolutes. You just rationalize whatever you want.

Yeah, there is still that gnawing feeling inside though. Many come here to see how much mileage they can get with those rationalizations. I guess it makes them feel better.