Catholics in US overwhelmingly support homosexual unions [CWN]

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Yeah, there is still that gnawing feeling inside though. Many come here to see how much mileage they can get with those rationalizations. I guess it makes them feel better.😦
Yep. I was an agnostic/atheist, but ā€œthe desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God; and God never ceases to draw man to himself. Only in God will he find the truth and happiness he never stops searching for.ā€
 
I’m a moderator on another forum where one poster summed it all up: ā€œWe never want to feel guilty or ashamed or sinful ever again.ā€

This is the guiding philosophy for some people. This is their idea of freedom. The form of living out this freedom often occurs in being slaves to their own flesh. The good is called evil because it makes them uncomfortable. Anything that makes them feel good must be praised by others - regardless of how perverted it is.

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This is the heart of the whole problem…! šŸ‘ Nice job.

Instead of people taking on the initiative of changing themselves, they instead attempt to change the minds of everyone else…:rolleyes: (not understanding that they cannot change what is natural to both Catholics and non-catholics alike.)
 
:eek: 😃 Weeweed up…? 😃
I think its a funny term. My kids use it all the time.

ā€œDaddy, why is mommy getting all weeweed up about the Marine Corps Ball next month?ā€

ā€œThat’s because your mommy can’t tell the difference between a Gunnery Sergeant and a Luitentant Colonel, honey. these formal things make her nervous.ā€
 
There are other people on the planet, right? Not all Catholics even marry in their own faith, so, um, you gotta talk to someone.

20 Catholic sites?! Wow. That’s a lot of tabs open, dude!
Well, I was forced to retire in 1980 so to pass the time away I picked two hobbies to persue, Religion and Politics? My family and friends told me , your going to be Very Smart ,or Insane? I think I;m walking a Thin line,but its interesting. Ithink Politica and Religion are games people play , with our brains?? do you know why people say, ā€œnever debate Politics orReligion??ā€ because you might find out the TRUTH? And, Poititions and Religious leaders, DON’T WANT THAT??
 
No one is forbidding this. Stop crying wolf.

When someone expects better thinking from you, it is not an attempt to silence you. It’s simply an attempt to ask for better thinking.
ā€œno one is forbidding thisā€ Where have you been? for the last 10 years there has been a GAG-ORDER by the entire Main Stream Media and Fox news Network on saying anything negative about homosexuality,or ,by the way ,anti abortion? its a sick country, bashing Catholicism is fine , but leave the mentally diseased homosexual alone?
 
ā€œno one is forbidding thisā€ Where have you been? for the last 10 years there has been a GAG-ORDER by the entire Main Stream Media and Fox news Network on saying anything negative about homosexuality,or ,by the way ,anti abortion? its a sick country, bashing Catholicism is fine , but leave the mentally diseased homosexual alone?
This is irrational and inaccurate hyperbole. Besides, all you do here is whine, and then get in your smear. How much do you expect others to listen to you if this is the extent of your commentary?
 
This is irrational and inaccurate hyperbole. Besides, all you do here is whine, and then get in your smear. How much do you expect others to listen to you if this is the extent of your commentary?
What do you believe is the best way to show compassion for those who engage in homosexual behavior?
 
What do you believe is the best way to show compassion for those who engage in homosexual behavior?
Im going to go out on a limb and answer for myself and likely for Larkin and others as well. I think the answer is to treat them just the same as everyone else. Show compassion for them being treated like second class citizens, whenever that issue arises. I think you will see past each other with the idea that their being gay automatically makes them in need of compassion, like a cancer victim. Even if well intentioned, it generates resentment.
 
Im going to go out on a limb and answer for myself and likely for Larkin and others as well. I think the answer is to treat them just the same as everyone else. Show compassion for them being treated like second class citizens, whenever that issue arises. I think you will see past each other with the idea that their being gay automatically makes them in need of compassion, like a cancer victim. Even if well intentioned, it generates resentment.
Certainly not like a cancer victim! …more like an alcoholic. They have a disordered desire they have to struggle with. I’m not going to tell them, ā€œeverybody drinks! Don’t worry about it…here’s a map to all the best bars.ā€

Alcoholics are still ā€œthe same as everyone else,ā€ when it comes to human dignity. Ditto for people with same-sex attraction.
 
Im going to go out on a limb and answer for myself and likely for Larkin and others as well. I think the answer is to treat them just the same as everyone else. Show compassion for them being treated like second class citizens, whenever that issue arises. I think you will see past each other with the idea that their being gay automatically makes them in need of compassion, like a cancer victim. Even if well intentioned, it generates resentment.
Larkin is the one who has been claiming we had to show compassion -now you tell us we shouldnt. Does treating them as everyone else mean we have to affirm their behavior? Why do you believe that those who engage in homosexual behavior are treated as second class citizens??? What rights are denied them that are not available to all regardless of race, creed, gender or country of national origin?
 
One of the false beliefs in the world today and yes, within Catholic public arena is that of laws passed by man, man no matter what the agenda CANNOT over rule GOD. The church and the bible in a multitude of writings states that homosexual practices are a sin period, how can anyone discount that?
 
I’m starting to think that ā€˜compassion’, like ā€˜pastoral’ is one of those warm fuzzy buzzwords that the speaker wants to be interpreted as ā€˜Let me do what I want and love me for it’.

[Added to the http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=312892ā€]liberal buzzword list
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Indeed…not sure if it’s already on the list, but ā€œcompassionā€ is misused in about the same manner that ā€œtoleranceā€ is:

ā€œAs Catholics we have a duty to treat all people, regardless of their beliefs, with justice, charity, mercy, prudence, patience, and understanding. We’re not asked to ā€˜tolerate’ them but to love them, which is a much more demanding task. Obviously, tolerance is an important democratic working principle. Most of the time, it’s a good and vital thing. But tolerating lies about the nature of the human person is a sin. Tolerating grave evil in a society is an equally grave evil. And using ā€˜tolerance’ as an excuse for not living and witnessing Jesus Christ in our private lives and in our public actions is not an act of civility. It’s a form of cowardice.ā€ - Archbishop Chaput
 
Indeed…not sure if it’s already on the list, but ā€œcompassionā€ is misused in about the same manner that ā€œtoleranceā€ is:

ā€œAs Catholics we have a duty to treat all people, regardless of their beliefs, with justice, charity, mercy, prudence, patience, and understanding. We’re not asked to ā€˜tolerate’ them but to love them, which is a much more demanding task. Obviously, tolerance is an important democratic working principle. Most of the time, it’s a good and vital thing. But tolerating lies about the nature of the human person is a sin. Tolerating grave evil in a society is an equally grave evil. And using ā€˜tolerance’ as an excuse for not living and witnessing Jesus Christ in our private lives and in our public actions is not an act of civility. It’s a form of cowardice.ā€ - Archbishop Chaput
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Indeed…not sure if it’s already on the list, but ā€œcompassionā€ is misused in about the same manner that ā€œtoleranceā€ is:

ā€œAs Catholics we have a duty to treat all people, regardless of their beliefs, with justice, charity, mercy, prudence, patience, and understanding. We’re not asked to ā€˜tolerate’ them but to love them, which is a much more demanding task. Obviously, tolerance is an important democratic working principle. Most of the time, it’s a good and vital thing. But tolerating lies about the nature of the human person is a sin. Tolerating grave evil in a society is an equally grave evil. And using ā€˜tolerance’ as an excuse for not living and witnessing Jesus Christ in our private lives and in our public actions is not an act of civility. It’s a form of cowardice.ā€ - Archbishop Chaput
I agree with this… I simply cannot accept the idea of showing tolerance for those who display pride in homosexual behavior.

I could however show compassion for someone who battles with homosexual desire.
 
… Does it mean we can not openly declare its sinfullness?
Just an example how far homosexualists do push this issue. Of course, the featured article I cite below is in the UK where freedom of speech has already been ā€˜modified’ to accommodate the strong gay movement there. The U.S. does not have to follow suit, IMHO, that is, if Christians and the conservative constituency take the agnostic liberals to task.

Charges Dropped against UK Preacher who Called Homosexual Acts a Sin

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ā€œI hope we are not going down the road towards a police state and the thought police."

ā€œCase law has ruled that the orthodox Christian belief that homosexual conduct is sinful is a belief worthy of respect in a democratic society.ā€
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Does showing compassion mean we have to approve homosexual behavior? Does it mean we can not openly declare its sinfullness?
Remember, my whole point about ā€œcompassionā€ was to tell one poster that he was wrong when he said that Catholics owed no compassion for gay suicides. I still consider that a callous remark, and out of step with Church teaching–which I quoted. I can’t imagine that there is any form of suicide that the RCC states that they ā€œhave no compassion for.ā€ But perhaps you can correct me on that.
 
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