Catholics in US overwhelmingly support homosexual unions [CWN]

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StTommyMore said:
Unfortunately, as a grad student with deadlines looming, as well as trying to keep up with my blogs, at present I do not have the time to do a detailed exegesis. Perhaps next semester when I may have the opportunity to do an exegesis for my class on the Prophets…
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Good – I’ll look forward to that!
 
StAnastasia said:
Good – I’ll look forward to that!
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Don’t get me wrong, I would love to, but i have 3 papers left, one of which is on the Biblical theology of Pope Benedict XVI, so the time for a lengthy exegesis which is purely extracurricular does not seem possible
 
StTommyMore said:
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to, but i have 3 papers left, one of which is on the Biblical theology of Pope Benedict XVI, so the time for a lengthy exegesis which is purely extracurricular does not seem possible
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I understand! The world has time.
 
StAnastasia said:
You are a selective reader. You find one Amazon review by a fundamentalist type, and ignore what professional scholars have to say.
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And you cut & paste the PUBLISHERS review?? 😃
Actually, I don’t like to read anything about Satan because I do believe that he exists. But, a friend of mine was reading this book & I looked it up on Amazon. It was the review that I referred to that helped me to decide not to read the book. I find gemosav’s reviews very intelligent & helpful. Have you studied the workings of Amazon’s reviewer’s system. Of course some of them are not “professional scholars”, just very interesting people.

amazon.com/review/top-reviewers/ref=cm_aya_bb_tr

BTW. You might want to look in on our discussion site, too.
 
StAnastasia said:
You are a selective reader. You find one Amazon review by a fundamentalist type, and ignore what professional scholars have to say.
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The problem with “scholars” is that they tend to operate from a position of skepticism. I favor scholars who operate from a position of faith, such as Regis Martin, Scott Hahn, and of course, Pope Benedict XVI.
 
StAnastasia said:
Can you refer us to this account?
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I regret I can’t. I recall that in the account one or both parents weren’t discreet about their ‘lifestyle’. Boggles the mind that social services can consider placing children in this sort of environment.

The ideal of ‘equality under the law’ has been stretched to ‘mathematical equality regardless of the social good. Or sanity’, I think.

e.g. Women wanting to be priests. Homosexuals wanting to ‘marry’. Children being treated the same as responsible adults in schools.

I suppose we’ve got used to soft living so we can indulge whimsical ideas, maybe?
 
Layman said:
I regret I can’t. I recall that in the account one or both parents weren’t discreet about their ‘lifestyle’. Boggles the mind that social services can consider placing children in this sort of environment.
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My older son had two friends in his eighth grade Catholic school class who were adopted separately from the same orphanage in China. One girl is the daughter of an infertile heterosexual couple, the other of an infertile lesbian couple. Both are lovely, bright, talented, well-adjusted young women, now freshpersons in high school. Both couples are devoted to each other, and both have been an integral part of the social fabric of the school.

StAnastasia
 
StTommyMore said:
The problem with “scholars” is that they tend to operate from a position of skepticism. I favor scholars who operate from a position of faith, such as Regis Martin, Scott Hahn, and of course, Pope Benedict XVI.
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Not necessarily, but they do educate from a position of education, which carries consequences. As Bush’s secretary Rumsfeld once said, “too much education turns people into liberals.” We may need to restrict Catholics’ access to education if we want to keep them conservative.
 
StAnastasia said:
My older son had two friends in his eighth grade Catholic school class who were adopted separately from the same orphanage in China. One girl is the daughter of an infertile heterosexual couple, the other of an infertile lesbian couple. Both are lovely, bright, talented, well-adjusted young women, now freshpersons in high school. Both couples are devoted to each other, and both have been an integral part of the social fabric of the school.

StAnastasia
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An incestual couple raising their child and being an integral part of the social fabric of the school would still be a bad idea. A (unknown) pedophile parent who is an integral part of the social fabric of the school would be really scary. A polygamous family who is an integral part of the social fabric of the school would not convince me that polygamy is okay.

I could keep going. Your example means absolutely nothing.
 
StAnastasia said:
My older son had two friends in his eighth grade Catholic school class who were adopted separately from the same orphanage in China. One girl is the daughter of an infertile heterosexual couple, the other of an infertile lesbian couple. Both are lovely, bright, talented, well-adjusted young women, now freshpersons in high school. Both couples are devoted to each other, and both have been an integral part of the social fabric of the school.

StAnastasia
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You are arguing from the particular to the general e.g.
  • A boy is raised by murderers.
  • He turns out quite well, from outward appearance anyway.
  • Therefore let us foster children to murderers.
[From memory] We had something similar in Ireland on a TV show. They displayed a ‘family’ with children raised by a gay couple, I think.

Because they seemed OK, we were to infer that children being raised by homosexuals is OK.

I sure am tired of living in a society run by idealogues who claim that they are the educated ones. Who delight in social engineering. Who look around for ways to attack the established order. Who never think they might be the brainwashed ones.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/researcher-children-of-same-sex-couples-more-likely-to-be-homosexual/
 
That is absolutely correct. The other day, I was reading a column by George Will who identified the social engineering goals of the Obama Administration. They are all about promoting a narrow and highly dysfunctional agenda to the American people. It is all about more Folsom Street Fairs where men walk around in leather, perform sex acts in public and where gay couples distort child rearing. And they do not believe they need to have better ideas, they just need better marketing.

They are so out of touch with the average American, who they believe it is their duty to enlighten, that we voted a bunch of them out of “power” - their favorite word, a week ago. What will happen in 2012? The Obama Administration will be gone. Their elitist, distorted agenda will be gone.

God bless,
Ed
 
StAnastasia said:
As Bush’s secretary Rumsfeld once said, “too much education turns people into liberals.” We may need to restrict Catholics’ access to education if we want to keep them conservative.
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In line with the OP, two thirds of Catholics in Spain also supported same-sex unions when the law was changed five years ago.

Rumsfeld may have been commenting on the relative merits of our education systems, given that our conservatives are well to the left of US liberals. 😃
 
StAnastasia said:
Not necessarily, but they do educate from a position of education, which carries consequences. As Bush’s secretary Rumsfeld once said, “too much education turns people into liberals.” We may need to restrict Catholics’ access to education if we want to keep them conservative.
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Can you provide a link for the Rumsfeld quote?
 
I’m not sure people are being educated well these days. I read that standards are being lowered in the UK. Coupled with child-centred learning and a fear of being sued and you have a pretty soft run for the kids. Until they have to get a job. Just an opinion.
 
StAnastasia said:
One girl is the daughter of an infertile heterosexual couple, the other of an infertile lesbian couple.
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Point of fact: every lesbian couple is infertile, as a couple: Biology 1A.

As integrated into society as the adopted daughters of the lesbians appear to be, make no mistake: children who are raised either fatherless or motherless do suffer, not necessarily visbily to society. It doesn’t mean that they can’t have productive lives, just as others who are raised motherless or fatherless by heterosexuals. But it is a loss; it is a vacancy, and there is no artificial substitute for either a mother or a father who is a regular part of the child’s life, integrated deeply and virtually daily into the family unit. An adoptive mother is not a father, despite the secular propaganda about “gender roles” and despite how “masculine” any female “father” pretends to be. Men are not women. Not yet anyway.
 
StAnastasia said:
My older son had two friends in his eighth grade Catholic school class who were adopted separately from the same orphanage in China. One girl is the daughter of an infertile heterosexual couple, the other of an infertile lesbian couple. Both are lovely, bright, talented, well-adjusted young women, now freshpersons in high school. Both couples are devoted to each other, and both have been an integral part of the social fabric of the school.

StAnastasia
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Ancedotal evidence proves nothing
 
Elizabeth502 said:
make no mistake: children who are raised either fatherless or motherless do suffer, not necessarily visbily to society.
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You may (or may not :)) be right, but there’s an issue about consistency. A same-sex couple in a stable loving relationship may be a better alternative than, for example, a single parent who doesn’t want the child and is involved in a long bitter divorce from a dysfunctional relationship.
 
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