Catholics must disregard Scripture to satisfy their doctrine.

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From The Catholic Church and Conversion by G.K. Chesterton:
What is any man who has been in the real outer world, for instance, to make of the everlasting cry that Catholic traditions are condemned by the Bible? It indicates a jumble of topsy-turvy tests and tail-foremost arguments, of which I never could at any time see the sense. The ordinary sensible sceptic or pagan is standing in the street (in the supreme character of the man in the street) and he sees a procession go by of the priests of some strange cult, carrying their object of worship under a canopy, some of them wearing high head-dresses and carrying symbolical staffs, others carrying scrolls and sacred records, others carrying sacred images and lighted candles before them, others sacred relics in caskets or cases, and so on. I can understand the spectator saying, “This is all hocus-pocus”; I can even understand him, in moments of irritation, breaking up the procession, throwing down the images, tearing up the scrolls, dancing on the priests and anything else that might express that general view. I can understand his saying, “Your croziers are bosh, your candles are bosh, your statues and scrolls and relics and all the rest of it are bosh.” But in what conceivable frame of mind does he rush in to select one particular scroll of the scriptures of this one particular group (a scroll which had always belonged to them and been a part of their hocus-pocus, if it was hocus-pocus); why in the world should the man in the street say that one particular scroll was not bosh, but was the one and only truth by which all the other things were to be condemned? Why should it not be as superstitious to worship the scrolls as the statues, of that one particular procession? Why should it not be as reasonable to preserve the statues as the scrolls, by the tenets of that particular creed? To say to the priests, “Your statues and scrolls are condemned by our common sense,” is sensible. To say, “Your statues are condemned by your scrolls, and we are going to worship one part of your procession and wreck the rest,” is not sensible from any standpoint, least of all that of the man in the street.
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ChristianRoots said:
Very interesting post except for one thing: By writing this you are exposing yourself as a hypocrite.

You see, Scripture never says which books should be in the New Testament and which books should not be in the New Testament. An EXTRABIBLICAL EVENT decided that for us. So if you believe in the 27 books of the New Testament without Scripture telling you to (again, it was an outside authority that told us which books belong in the New Testament) then why do you question the Catholic practices above?

If you say these Catholic practices are not biblical, I will just remind you that neither is the issue of which books belong in the canon of the New Testament in the first place. 😃

Why did you go outside the Bible to find out which books were canonical and which were not? (And you accuse Catholics of doing this!) Shouldn’t the Bible have told this information? What does this tell you that the Bible itself couldn’t say which books were canonical?
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This is just more Catholic rhetoric to try and justify doctrine which cannot be backed by and in some cases is directly condemned by Scripture. Been there, done that.
 
SIA said:
This is just more Catholic rhetoric to try and justify doctrine which cannot be backed by and in some cases is directly condemned by Scripture.
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You mean like solo scriptura?

You still haven’t responded:
Isa_Almisry said:
The Scriptures Say:

The Bread that we break, is it not communion in the Body of Christ? I Corinthians 10:16
Catholics Say:

Do you believe she died?

Scripture doesn’t tell us.

Protestants must disregard Scripture to satisfy their doctrines.

Protestants say;

solo scriptura

The Scriptures say:

“Therefore brethren, stand fast and hold the TRADITIONS which you were taught by word or our epistle” II Thessalonians 2:15

“Now I praise you that you remember me in all things and keep the TRADITIONS just as I delievered them to you.” I Corinthians 11:2

Protestans say:

You shouldn’t make such a fuss about Mary

The Scriptures say:

"Elizabeth was FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT then she spoke out with a loud voice and said “BLESSED ARE YOU among women and blessed is the fruit of YOUR womb. But why is it GRANTED TO ME that the MOTHER of my Lord should come to me?” Luke 1:42-3.

Protestans say:

Just read the Bible.

The Scriptures say:

"But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,’ 2 Peter 1:20

“How can I understand unless someone guides me?” Acts 8:31

“There are some things in them hard to understand, which the unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.” 2 Peter 3:16.

"Prescribe and teach these things. Let no one look down on your youthfulness, but rather in speech, conduct, love, faith and purity, show yourself an example of those who believe. Until I come, give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching. Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery. Take pains with these things; be absorbed in them, so that your progress will be evident to all. Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.
" I Timothy 4:
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Rolltide said:
Are you not denying it here?

If I’m misreading you, I apologize.
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absolutely not. Jesus stated in the Scriptures that the bread which comes from Heaven is his flesh. How did I deny the Real Presence??😊
 
Or, has the Catholic church thrown out Scripture as one leg on its three legged stool? Maybe so if I gauge it by your standards.
 
SIA said:
Is that all you can say?? sola scriptura has nothing to do with this.
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It has everything to do with this.

You still have not responded:
Isa_Almisry said:
The Scriptures Say:

The Bread that we break, is it not communion in the Body of Christ? I Corinthians 10:16
Catholics Say:

Do you believe she died?

Scripture doesn’t tell us.

Protestants must disregard Scripture to satisfy their doctrines.

Protestants say;

solo scriptura

The Scriptures say:

“Therefore brethren, stand fast and hold the TRADITIONS which you were taught by word or our epistle” II Thessalonians 2:15

“Now I praise you that you remember me in all things and keep the TRADITIONS just as I delievered them to you.” I Corinthians 11:2

Protestans say:

You shouldn’t make such a fuss about Mary

The Scriptures say:

"Elizabeth was FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT then she spoke out with a loud voice and said “BLESSED ARE YOU among women and blessed is the fruit of YOUR womb. But why is it GRANTED TO ME that the MOTHER of my Lord should come to me?” Luke 1:42-3.

Protestans say:

Just read the Bible.

The Scriptures say:

"But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,’ 2 Peter 1:20

“How can I understand unless someone guides me?” Acts 8:31

“There are some things in them hard to understand, which the unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.” 2 Peter 3:16.

"Prescribe and teach these things. Let no one look down on your youthfulness, but rather in speech, conduct, love, faith and purity, show yourself an example of those who believe. Until I come, give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching. Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery. Take pains with these things; be absorbed in them, so that your progress will be evident to all. Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.
" I Timothy 4:
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SIA said:
Or, has the Catholic church thrown out Scripture as one leg on its three legged stool? Maybe so if I gauge it by your standards.
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Since the Catholic Church produced the Bible, I would think not.

You still haven’t responded.
Isa_Almisry said:
The Scriptures Say:

The Bread that we break, is it not communion in the Body of Christ? I Corinthians 10:16
Catholics Say:

Do you believe she died?

Scripture doesn’t tell us.

Protestants must disregard Scripture to satisfy their doctrines.

Protestants say;

solo scriptura

The Scriptures say:

“Therefore brethren, stand fast and hold the TRADITIONS which you were taught by word or our epistle” II Thessalonians 2:15

“Now I praise you that you remember me in all things and keep the TRADITIONS just as I delievered them to you.” I Corinthians 11:2

Protestans say:

You shouldn’t make such a fuss about Mary

The Scriptures say:

"Elizabeth was FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT then she spoke out with a loud voice and said “BLESSED ARE YOU among women and blessed is the fruit of YOUR womb. But why is it GRANTED TO ME that the MOTHER of my Lord should come to me?” Luke 1:42-3.

Protestans say:

Just read the Bible.

The Scriptures say:

"But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,’ 2 Peter 1:20

“How can I understand unless someone guides me?” Acts 8:31

“There are some things in them hard to understand, which the unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.” 2 Peter 3:16.

"Prescribe and teach these things. Let no one look down on your youthfulness, but rather in speech, conduct, love, faith and purity, show yourself an example of those who believe. Until I come, give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching. Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery. Take pains with these things; be absorbed in them, so that your progress will be evident to all. Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.
" I Timothy 4:
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Isa_Almisry said:
You mean like solo scriptura?

You still haven’t responded:
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Whoever said that Mary wasn’t of great importance?? You are just making simple generalizations about all Protestants now. Looks like all you can do is stereotype when you don’t have most of the facts.
 
Scripture didn’t tell us that Mary died. OMG. You call that an argument in favor of the Assumption??
 
SIA said:
How do you get from Do This In Memory of Me to only Roman Catholic priests can change bread and wine into flesh and blood? I didn’t see any of that in the Bible, but oh!! I forgot, you folks don’t need to jive with Scripture just as long as Holy Father rubber stamps it!!😊
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SIA, your thinking is pure anti-Catholic. You have demonstrated hundreds of times that you refuse to understand Catholicism. Everything has been explained so simply that carrots understand. Yet, God bless you for the love you have of your concept of Christ. I marvel at how much you do with so little.
 
SIA said:
Is that all you can say?? sola scriptura has nothing to do with this.
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Sola scriptura is your entire argument. News flash! Catholics are not Bible-only Christians! STOP THE PRESSES! 🤷
 
SIA said:
This is just more Catholic rhetoric to try and justify doctrine which cannot be backed by and in some cases is directly condemned by Scripture. Been there, done that.
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Sola Scriptura cannot be backed up by Scripture, and anyone who thinks it does is just engaging in meaningless rhetoric.

Why doesn’t the New Testament tell you which books are canonical and which ones aren’t? And, more importantly, why do you refuse to dwell on the implications of this fact?
 
po18guy said:
SIA, your thinking is pure anti-Catholic. You have demonstrated hundreds of times that you refuse to understand Catholicism. Everything has been explained so simply that carrots understand. Yet, God bless you for the love you have of your concept of Christ. I marvel at how much you do with so little.
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the remarks he made is purely Anti-Catholic.
 
ibkc said:
Sola scriptura is your entire argument. News flash! Catholics are not Bible-only Christians! STOP THE PRESSES! 🤷
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Newsflash: Catholics are not Biblical in many ways period! Scripture only or not it doesn’t matter.
 
ChristianRoots said:
Sola Scriptura cannot be backed up by Scripture, and anyone who thinks it does is just engaging in meaningless rhetoric.

Why doesn’t the New Testament tell you which books are canonical and which ones aren’t? And, more importantly, why do you refuse to dwell on the implications of this fact?
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So?? And the dogmas of Catholicism cannot be back up by Scripture either! Where do they then in fact come from?? That’s where it gets scary. By who’s authority are they believed then to be true???:eek:
 
SIA said:
So?? And the dogmas of Catholicism cannot be back up by Scripture either! Where do they then in fact come from?? That’s where it gets scary. By who’s authority are they believed then to be true???:eek:
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Now you just sound loopy. You are saying that the church which assembled your bible from its earliest members’ writings, which preserved your bible at a cost in the martyr’s blood, and which relies upon the same writings that you have for the first half of each and every mass for the past 1,975 years, has somehow, somewhere, when you least expected it, thrown it all away?

This is quite a stretch, even for Jack Chick to allege.
 
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