Catholics need to stop using the "33,000 denominations" apologetic device

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When Jesus said,

“…But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses.17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.18Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

… is He referring to a particular denomination? Does He mean only those who receive a particular communion?

I think He meant the same Church He founded on the Apostle. And it can be local, but never only local(by God’s grace, all would be resolved local). There is a higher appeal to the Church all the way to Rome.
 
rcwitness said:
… and so is that more descriptive of “denomination”?

My ultimate point has been that the concept/practice of “denomination” is not approved by Christ. It is the result of division. And the “non-denominations” understand this. What they don’t understand, is that they aren’t avoiding it by rejecting the name.
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I completely agree with you on that. I was nitpicking on a detail.
 
rcwitness said:
I apologize… I was thinking of the Amish when I said that. :o I actually know nothing about the Quakers.
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I am sure the Amish would be inspired to know that you, a Roman Catholic are inspired by them. It is most interesting to me to note in most topics on these forums how time has affected people’s beliefs and formed different acceptance levels of practice and doctrines.

I am not sure what exactly inspires you in regards to the Amish but do you have any idea that admitting that statement a few centuries ago could have cost you your life at the hands of your very own chosen Church unless you would recant?

Some things have become better with time while many other things have not.:o
 
Wannano said:
I am not sure what exactly inspires you in regards to the Amish but do you have any idea that admitting that statement a few centuries ago would have cost you your life at the hands of your very own chosen Church unless you would recant?
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Do you have evidence of this? Because I do not think it is true. She admires certain things about the Amish way of life. There were plenty of Catholics, even several hundred years ago, who admired various things about Protestant communities without admiring their differences. I think it was okay to do that, as long as you did not admire the doctrines that disagreed with ours.
 
Wannano said:
I am not sure what exactly inspires you in regards to the Amish but do you have any idea that admitting that statement a few centuries ago would have cost you your life at the hands of your very own chosen Church unless you would recant?
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This statement is patently false. The Church during the Inquisition had nothing wrong with a person saying they were inspired by different ways of thinking. It is when you held that something the Church taught de fide was false, that you were told to recant.

Another misstatement of yours is losing your lives at the hands of the Church. The Church only said if you were guilty, or innocent, to the civil authorities. The civil authorities could administer capital punishment, or choose not to. The choice was up to each government.
 
Wannano said:
I am sure the Amish would be inspired to know that you, a Roman Catholic are inspired by them. It is most interesting to me to note in most topics on these forums how time has affected people’s beliefs and formed different acceptance levels of practice and doctrines.

I am not sure what exactly inspires you in regards to the Amish but do you have any idea that admitting that statement a few centuries ago could have cost you your life at the hands of your very own chosen Church unless you would recant?

Some things have become better with time while many other things have not.:o
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I have to disagree with this post also
 
Duane1966 said:
This statement is patently false. The Church during the Inquisition had nothing wrong with a person saying they were inspired by different ways of thinking. It is when you held that something the Church taught de fide was false, that you were told to recant.

Another misstatement of yours is losing your lives at the hands of the Church. The Church only said if you were guilty, or innocent, to the civil authorities. The civil authorities could administer capital punishment, or choose not to. The choice was up to each government.
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Plus, the inquisitors did everything possible to protect the accused from the civil authorities. The tribunal considered thenselves failures when their was a guilty vertic.

Popes also had requested the Kings not to take such extream punishments to the civil crime of heresy. But civil rulers saw heresy as a form of anarchy, often feeling that if a person wasn’t loyal to the Church, then how could they be loyal to the throne.
 
dmar198 said:
Do you have evidence of this? Because I do not think it is true. She admires certain things about the Amish way of life. There were plenty of Catholics, even several hundred years ago, who admired various things about Protestant communities without admiring their differences. I think it was okay to do that, as long as you did not admire the doctrines that disagreed with ours.
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Yes well, no one wants to think it could possibly be true. Get a book called Martyrs Mirror or google it and read on line. It is a large volume of reading so I doubt many will bother.
 
Duane1966 said:
This statement is patently false. The Church during the Inquisition had nothing wrong with a person saying they were inspired by different ways of thinking. It is when you held that something the Church taught de fide was false, that you were told to recant.

Another misstatement of yours is losing your lives at the hands of the Church. The Church only said if you were guilty, or innocent, to the civil authorities. The civil authorities could administer capital punishment, or choose not to. The choice was up to each government.
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Thank you for calling me a liar. I am sure you belive what you state.
 
phil19034 said:
Plus, the inquisitors did everything possible to protect the accused from the civil authorities. The tribunal considered thenselves failures when their was a guilty vertic.

Popes also had requested the Kings not to take such extream punishments to the civil crime of heresy. But civil rulers saw heresy as a form of anarchy, often feeling that if a person wasn’t loyal to the Church, then how could they be loyal to the throne.
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It is a part of church history one does not want to be made aware of.
 
Protestants love to misuse the Inquisition and blame all kinds of atrocities on the Church. I see it is as very unfortunate and furthers the divide.
 
Duane1966 said:
And you do not want the truth of that Church history, by ignoring the truth, and the documents that prove otherwise.
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You are very quick to make a judgement on my behalf. You have no idea of what I have read, learnt by travel, experienced as a person. Somehow your damning quick assessment is indicative of someone who is afraid they are guilty themselves of what they portray on others.
 
Michael68 said:
Protestants love to misuse the Inquisition and blame all kinds of atrocities on the Church. I see it is as very unfortunate and furthers the divide.
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And that was not my intent. I should have pm’ed rc witness. He or she is a brother to all as is indicated by his/her mostly charitable responses.
 
Wannano said:
You are very quick to make a judgement on my behalf. You have no idea of what I have read, learnt by travel, experienced as a person. Somehow your damning quick assessment is indicative of someone who is afraid they are guilty themselves of what they portray on others.
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No, i tbink he’s tired of this like the rest of us. I for one am tired of the rewrite of history by Protestants.
 
Michael68 said:
No, i tbink he’s tired of this like the rest of us. I for one am tired of the rewrite of history by Protestants.
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Interestly enough your last two popes seem to be “rewriting” history. I assume that is ok with you though.
 
Wannano said:
Interestly enough your last two popes seem to be “rewriting” history. I assume that is ok with you though.
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Oh yeah? Please tell us these rewrites. i would like to hear them. BTW, rewriting history is not ok with me
 
Michael68 said:
Oh yeah? Please tell us these rewrites. i would like to hear them. BTW, rewriting history is not ok with me
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You noticed I paranthasized “rewriting.” I am not interested in you twisting everything I say.
 
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