Just like “Lutheran” was a term originally designed to slander the reformers, which Catholic Christians of the Augsburg Confession later started using about themselves…to Luther’s dismay and constant irritation.
Accepted.
In my heart and soul I pray that the Catholic Church, the Church that Christ founded will be guided on the right path to bring our separated brethren home.LOL
Yeah, that’s exactly what I do…I didn’t know it myself, but that’s what I do. Because some stranger on an internet forum who have absolutely no clue on the degree of knowledge I have of history, knows better than I do what I ignore and what I take into account
I know this. Your point please…
How on Earth does THAT follow from my argument???
If I am wrong, then I am wrong. But please use genuine arguments to try to convince me of it.
So who defines what usage of a word is “true”?
Indeed. That only shows that the meaning of this word has evolved through time to mean something it did not originally mean. I fail to see how this supports your position, though?
- Should the second person singular and plural in English “you” be substituted for its older equivalent “thou?”, because “you” used to refer be used the way “thou” is today, while “thou” was used the way “you” is today?
(did ya follow?)- Should all English-speaking people everywhere start learning Old English, and how should this be accomplished, with virtually all source material “contaminated” by foreign influce, particularly from Scandinavia and Normandy.
That would probably be best, yes.
And you.
I know exactly why Christians have trouble with this concept it’s because of threads like this one. Just look at the way the title is worded Catholics must submit to Allah. Just look at the way he formulates his post if his true aim of the thread was to tell Catholics that the word Allah is simply the Arabic word for God and Christians use the word to refer to the Holy Trinity THIS IS NOT the right way to do that. I mean just look at the way he words this post.
Now Benjamin you are making this issue very confusing for folks because you’re defending Islam case and point you bring up the fact that the pope showed reverence to the Koran. Yes Pope John Paul did encourage dialogue with other faiths but you neglect to mention that he told us to never compromise on church teachings or its doctrines especially when interfaith dialogue is involved. Now I see your point and I understand why you’re trying to make it because you feel it is important for Catholics to know that Christians also use the word Allah but your point is being completely lost. You are going about this THE WRONG WAY! I use the word Allah when I’m praying in Turkish but the difference between you and me is that I only use Allah when I’m referring to the Holy Trinity I refuse to use it when I am referring to the Muslim concept of God. You cannot deny that the concept of God is different in Christianity in Islam. Even though I use Allah when I pray I pray quietly respectfully and only to God my father because he knows in my heart exactly what I mean when I say Allah.
You are incorrect Allah is not the only word for God in Turkish. There is also another word for God and it is Tanrı. In fact it is used by Turkish Christians to distinguish themselves from Muslims. I have a friend who’s a Catholic and is fluent in Turkish he uses Tanrı when referring to God not Allah. I only use Allah because I don’t want to confuse other Catholics and I want them to know I am in fact referring to the Holy Trinity so I use Allah rather than Tanrı since most Catholics are familiar with Allah but not Tanrı.
Yes, and recently Pope Benedict said that interfaith dialogue was of no benefit as it meant a watering down of beliefs. Far more fruitful was to look at the fruits of the cultures produced from the faiths. Pope Benedict, God bless him and keep him safe, is in no doubt about islam.’
I humbly stand corrected.
Hold on a minute, did you even bother reading any of my other posts? Nowhere in this thread did I attempt to get people stop saying God and start using the term Allah. You
re trying stop me doing something Im not even doing, and then on top of it all you claim I`m defendiing Islam. WOW…Please, first of all the reason I posted this thread is because I kept reading things like ALLAH IS A FLASE GOD, ITS A MOON GOD, ECT AND ECT…OH so all of a sudden its okay to not believe in the Trinity and then thousands of years it is?
t have a chance to believe in the Trinity, dont you think there just might be a slim chance that Muslims dont have it neither? I mean seriously, how can you expect a humble Muslim in iraq or in Afgahnistan to grasp the concept of God that we believe in. Not all brains function the same, we dont all believe the same for numbers of reasons. So don`t tell me they worship another God, thats just insulting…re going to say, but lets not forget, facts are facts, Moses didnt worship Jesus… we do…so dont tell other Muslims who actually have faith in God that they dont worship the God of Moses. Because thats their doctrine. I know Islam has evil roots, its simply man-created…but again lets not forget God intervened in the devils works, and brought something good out of it.I get what you`´re saying, Mohammed was a pagan, he was boodthirsty ect and ect. But doctrines are doctrines are they not?
yes. What is your point? Their doctrines are radically different than ours and their god is based on a moon god combined with mohammed’s personality.
Yeah you got that right there are some immature people here but I am not one of them. Be open minded? Why don’t you take your own advice and be respectful when people have a different opinion then yours. By the way you obviously misunderstood my post because I said that** I use the word Allah only when referring to the Holy Trinity. The reason I choose not to use it when referring to the Islamic concept of God is because I believe they are fundamentally different and not the same. If you don’t believe that that is fine but do not try to impose your viewpoint on me or put me down because I disagree with you!** Where did I say you don’t believe in the Trinity? I never said that I wasn’t talking about you I was talking about me. Perhaps if you really are Catholic you need to reread our teachings because you are not following the true spirit of the church!
Tanri is an ancient Turkish word that predates Islamic times and it was used by Turkish Christians when referring to God. According to legend, one of my Turkish saints St.Thecla was one of St. Paul’s first followers in Turkey so she probably used Tanri as well. After this thread I’m seriously considering using Tanri instead of Allah This thread and others like it are inevitably leading to more confusion about the word Allah and its meaning. The bottom line is this the meaning of the word Allah comes down to what you believe in your heart when you say it.I humbly stand corrected.
Does “Tanri” simple mean “God”, or what is the meaning of the word?
Just a quick question. Would St. Thecla have actually used a Turkish word for God, however ancient? Was she actually a Turk? As I understand it, Anatolia (much of which is now modern day Turkey) was Hellenic, with a lot of Greeks, and of course the Galatians and other groups. However I thought that actual Turks did not make it to Anatolia till quite some time after this period.
Well as far as I know she was a Turk because she’s from Iconomium and I assume since she was living in Turkey she would’ve spoken ancient Turkish even if she wasn’t actually a Turk per se. Anyway, here’s some more information about her.
Yes…but that was not ‘‘Turkey’’ at the time. It had not ethnic Turks until centuries later, when the Turks invaded Anatolia. That land is not historically Turkish is my point, so I do not know if St. Thecla would have spoken Turkish, I would guess that she spoke Latin or Greek, as the land was given to the Romans, the Seljuks didn’t arrive for another thousand years.
oh yeah I wasn’t thinking about it that way. You’re probably right she probably did not speak Turkish but the word might have existed during her time and then been incorporated into Turkish later on. All I know is my buddy is an expert in ancient Turkish history and he told me that was ancient Turkish word from the Turkic tribes. I just consider her Turkish because she was born in what is now Turkey even though it was not technically Turkey yet.
I do not believe your interpretation of what the Pope wrote in his introduction for Marcello Pera’s book Why We Must Call Ourselves Christian, is, in the strictest sense, accurate. Indeed, claiming that interfaith dialogue “was of no benefit” would surely come as a surprise to the Vatican’s own Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue. The Pope himself has long been active in dialogue with the beliefs of others, including Jews, Muslims, Protestants, and atheists. How is it that he condemns what he has been active in for so many years?
If she was a follower of Paul, then it is more than doubtful she would have used that word. Because at the time of Paul, what is known today as Turkey was “Grecophile” (Greek culture, Greek language)
No. Because the difference is that while Moses and Abraham, etc, lived BEFORE the Incarnation, BEFORE God became man, islam was invented AFTER (i.e. 7th century).
That’s where the PRIMARY task of Christians, MISSION, comes in…
t all believe the same for numbers of reasons. So dont tell me they worship another God, thats just insulting…LOL
Then why did you ask? To make yourself look smart? Mission failed
“other” muslims? That was an interesting wording…
So we should not say that muslims worship a false “god” because it’s their doctrine that they don’t? You can’t be serious…
Your point, please?