Catholics need to submit themselves to Allah

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why do some people keep sayings things like Allah is not God. Did you not know that Allah is jut another name for God? Even Jesus calls His Father Allah in various Bibles in a different language. I dont get when Catholics on this site keep stating Allah is not God. I can comprehend why a lot of you are unwilling to justify Mohammeds actions, but saying that Muslims worship another God is just bogus to me. Even John Paull II said we all worship the **same** God in front of a Muslim crowd. So whats the deal with that? Only Because Mohammed used the name of Allah to get away with sinful acts, dosent mean other peacful Moslems do the same. They just dont know better. They are Moslems because they have been brought up that way.

I am basically saying that Jews and Muslims worship the Father of Jesus, and I don`t think its fair for anybody else to deny that.

May God Bless all of you.
 
Do Muslims believe in the divinity of Christ? Catholics worship the trinity so if Muslims do no then we do not worship the same God.
 
Do Muslims believe in the divinity of Christ? Catholics worship the trinity so if Muslims do no then we do not worship the same God.
Oh…so you discovered the mystery in the Trininty?? I dont think so. How in the world could you judge someone if they believe in 1 God or not? Dose not the Catholic Church teach that the Holy Trininty is a mystery? So if you claim they dont believe in God just because they abandon His Son, then you must fully understand the concept of 3 persons in 1 God. Sorry my brother, but I know for certain you do not. We accept the Holy Trinity in faith, they accept Allah in faith. They don`t go in details with the concept of God, we do. That is the only difference.

Their doctrine is to worship the same God Jesus worshipped, so it is highly offensive to say they don`t worship the same God.
 
I believe Muslims worship God, but when I say “Allah”, I mean Islam’s conception of God - which I regard as false.
 
I believe Muslims worship God, but when I say “Allah”, I mean Islam’s conception of God - which I regard as false.
“”“Catholics need to submit themselves to Allah”""

Never!

earlier I posted this under the thread titled:
Re: Abusing muhammad?
No one is abusing mohamad.
Since mohamad the the koran was concieved, the only person islam is really offending is the historical and Biblical evidence of Jesus by trying to replace him with the false prophet/messenger.
All muslims say they love Jesus and all prophets equally, but muslima don’t freak out and kill people, riot, protest, burn down embasies, burn flags and effigies and commit all sort of chaos when someone talks badly about Jesus.
No muslim will come to the aid of a Christian ( in the name of Jesus Christ, islams prophet ) living in the middle east when they are being harrased or even killed.
One of mohamads biggest lies was telling people that Jesus didn’t actually die on the cross - he was replaced with a look-alike. I’ve read that islams sometimes claims it was a look-a-like or perhaps even Judas and that Christ just left and allah took Him up to the Heavens.
Muslims commit chaos, turn the world up side down and go on a killing spree when someone insults mohamad and islam, but they don’t do anything when someone insults Jesus.
I see a double standard and reminds me of taquiya… when it comes to islam and prophets, especially when it comes to Jesus Christ.
Perhaps satan got pis…ed… off 600 years ago (from mohamads time) when Jesus would not bow and follow satan during satans temptation of Christ. Perhaps… just perhaps this is satans revenge…
Mr. Benjamin:

I do not pray to allah
I do not believe in allah
I do not submit to allah
 
For what its worth, we covered this topic during my classes to be certified as a Catholic Cathechism teacher. Here is what I took away from the discussion. Again, this is in a nutshell.

Abraham is the “father” of 3 world religions ~ Muslim, Jewish, and Christianity. Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Muslims trace their heritage to Ishmael and Jewish to Isaac. In the Muslim tradition it is Ishmael who was to be sacrificed and in the Judeo-Christian its Isaac.

I too have heard Pope JP II work to unite the monotheic religions, Muslim, Jewish and Christians. The Jewish community doesn’t believe in the trinity either. So I would have to say that we should seek to find those things that tie us together and create unity.

My humble opinion…PEACE!! SHALOM!! ALAYHIS SALAM!!
 
“”“Catholics need to submit themselves to Allah”""

Never!

earlier I posted this under the thread titled:

Mr. Benjamin:

I do not pray to allah
I do not believe in allah
I do not submit to allah
I understand your frustration and I know where you`re coming from. But like I said many times before, Muslims submit themselves more to Mohammed then they do to Allah. Thus making Catholics the true Muslims:p Anyhow, read the post above me and see what I mean.

I pray to All, I believe in Allah, and I submit to Allah, He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, and for any Muslim who loves and fears Him will meet His Son in heaven. 🙂

PEACE!! SHALOM!! ALAYHIS SALAM!!
 
Originally Posted by jakasaki
“”“Catholics need to submit themselves to Allah”""
Mr. Benjamin:
I do not pray to allah
I do not believe in allah
I do not submit to allah
Benjamin8o8
I understand your frustration and I know where you`re coming from. But like I said many times before, Muslims submit themselves more to Mohammed then they do to Allah. Thus making Catholics the true Muslims Anyhow, read the post above me and see what I mean.
I pray to All, I believe in Allah, and I submit to Allah, He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, and for any Muslim who loves and fears Him will meet His Son in heaven.
PEACE!! SHALOM!! ALAYHIS SALAM!!
Mr. Benjamin peace - shalom

I am **not **frustated by all means my dear Christain brother!

There is **no **frustration unto my statements, it is a fact!

I do not pray to allah
I do not believe in allah
I do not submit to allah


**Jesus Christ is my savior **- and Jesus Christ is **not **allahs son!
 
Mr. Benjamin peace - shalom

I am **not **frustated by all means my dear Christain brother!

There is **no **frustration unto my statements, it is a fact!

I do not pray to allah
I do not believe in allah
I do not submit to allah


**Jesus Christ is my savior **- and Jesus Christ is **not **allahs son!
when you say allah, I hope you`re meaning what Eucharisted meant.
 
It is interesting to note that the Catholic Church in Malaysia and other Islamic nations in Southeast Asia contend that the term “Allah” does indeed refer to God and Christians are free to refer to God (including our concept of the Trinity) as Allah. In fact, there is presently a contentious legal case between the Malaysian Government and the Catholic Church in which the Malaysian Government has demanded that Catholic publications in that nation not refer to God as “Allah” as it creates confusion among Muslims. “Allah” is a term for God that is to be used exclusively by Muslims. The position of the Church is that since “Allah” is the common term used by all the people of Malaysia to refer to God, the Church has the right to use it as well. If the Church used a different term, it would lead to the mistaken notion among Muslims that Catholics or Christians do not worship God, thus creating an unstable social environment in which the Church may conduct its business. The case is ongoing, but if decided in favor of the Government it could lead to increased persecution of Christians in Malaysia and hamper the efforts of the Church to live the Gospel in that nation. The Church, in Malaysia at least, would agree with the title of this thread and encourage all people to submit themselves to Allah.
 
when you say allah, I hope you`re meaning what Eucharisted meant.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakasaki
Mr. Benjamin peace - shalom
I am not frustated by all means my dear Christain brother!
There is no frustration unto my statements, it is a fact!
I do not pray to allah
I do not believe in allah
I do not submit to allah
Jesus Christ is my savior - and Jesus Christ is not allahs son!
**My dear Mr. Benjamin…

I am not meaning or suggesting or quoting another member of this forum by the name of “Eucharisted”

I shall add to my list:

I do not pray to allah 5 times a day

I do eat my pork chops - yum

I do partake on occasional glass of wine during dinner… I prefer red…

I do love music

I do love to dance

I do love to sing even if it’s the Eagles or Pink Floyd (et al)

I do pray to God and to My Jesus Christ whenever I wish to, as many times as I wish and where ever I am.

I do not face mecca to pray to my God

I do not sit/kneel on a mat to pray to my God

I wear my cross on my neck since I was born

I do attend baptismal’s at church

I go to a church and not a moqsue

There is no allah in my life… only God and Jesus Christ and my Bible.** 👍
 
It is interesting to note that the Catholic Church in Malaysia and other Islamic nations in Southeast Asia contend that the term “Allah” does indeed refer to God and Christians are free to refer to God (including our concept of the Trinity) as Allah. In fact, there is presently a contentious legal case between the Malaysian Government and the Catholic Church in which the Malaysian Government has demanded that Catholic publications in that nation not refer to God as “Allah” as it creates confusion among Muslims. “Allah” is a term for God that is to be used exclusively by Muslims. The position of the Church is that since “Allah” is the common term used by all the people of Malaysia to refer to God, the Church has the right to use it as well. If the Church used a different term, it would lead to the mistaken notion among Muslims that Catholics or Christians do not worship God, thus creating an unstable social environment in which the Church may conduct its business. The case is ongoing, but if decided in favor of the Government it could lead to increased persecution of Christians in Malaysia and hamper the efforts of the Church to live the Gospel in that nation. The Church, in Malaysia at least, would agree with the title of this thread and encourage all people to submit themselves to Allah.
🙂
 
Don’t forget that in Maltese, the language of a country which is 90+% Catholic, they also say Allah.
 
very interesting replies. Its a good way to unite with others.

May Allah bless us all:D
 
why do some people keep sayings things like Allah is not God. Did you not know that Allah is jut another name for God? Even Jesus calls His Father Allah in various Bibles in a different language. I dont get when Catholics on this site keep stating Allah is not God. I can comprehend why a lot of you are unwilling to justify Mohammeds actions, but saying that Muslims worship another God is just bogus to me. Even John Paull II said we all worship the **same** God in front of a Muslim crowd. So whats the deal with that? Only Because Mohammed used the name of Allah to get away with sinful acts, dosent mean other peacful Moslems do the same. They just dont know better. They are Moslems because they have been brought up that way.

I am basically saying that Jews and Muslims worship the Father of Jesus, and I don`t think its fair for anybody else to deny that.

May God Bless all of you.
if you could look at your ‘religion’ you would see that allah is nothing but a combination of mohammed’s pagan god before he thought up islam and his narcissistic self. As mohammed degenerated so did his allah. Then mohammed threw in some Bible stories that he didn’t even know and screwed them up royally. He couldn’t read and wasn’t even a Christian or a Jew, but a pagan. And his father was named ‘Abdullah’ which means servant of allah - that same allah that muslims worship at the kabaa and kiss that rock that they worship. That rock that muslims think has consciousness and will speak for them on Judgement Day. They deny they worship it, but all what they do is indeed worship.

And if you are predestined for heaven or hell - why do you do anything such as worshiping a rock? Or even bother with a prophet or the koran? You are already predestined for heaven or hell. Are you sure that those who die while murdering for allah will bypass predestination?

And they worship mohammed and the koran. So, you guys don’t even submit to your moon god either. You have a bunch of things that you worship over it. You kill if anyone tells the truth over mohammed, or that book called the koran.

The only thing I will submit to allah, islam and mohammed are the bottom of my shoes.
 
Here are the accounts of predestination, as taught within Islam:

Allah permits some to believe in Islam and punishes the ones that he prohibits from being believers:

“Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.” (Qur’an: 006.125)

“Whom Allah doth guide, -he is on the right path: whom He rejects from His guidance,-such are the persons who perish.” (Qur’an: 007.178)

Here is one complete explanation regarding how Allah and an angel determine the Predestination of Souls at the birth of each Muslim:

"Allah’s Apostle the true and truly inspired, narrated to us, “The creation of everyone of you starts with the process of collecting the material for his body within forty days and forty nights in the womb of his mother. Then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period (40 days) and then he becomes like a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then an angel is sent to him (by Allah) and the angel is allowed (ordered) to write four things; his livelihood, his (date of) death, his deeds, and whether he will be a wretched one or a blessed one (in the Hereafter) and then the soul is breathed into him. So one of you may do (good) deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise so much that there is nothing except a cubit between him and Paradise but then what has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of Hell (Fire) and (ultimately) enters Hell (Fire); and one of you may do (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of Hell (Fire) so much so that there is nothing except a cubit between him and Hell (Fire), then what has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing (good) deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and ultimately) enters Paradise.”
(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 93, No. 546)

According to Islamic theology, each person that dies goes to a type of “purgatory” where they are continually shown the end result of their final destination; heaven or hell:

“Ibn Umar reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: When a person dies, he is shown his seat morning and evening. If he is one amongst the inmates of Paradise (he is shown his seat) in Paradise and if he is one amongst the denizens of Hell-Fire (he is shown his seat) in the Hell-Fire. Then it is said to him: That is your seat where you would be sent on the Day of Resurrection.”(Sahih Muslim, Book 040, No. 6858)

According to Muhammad, even innocent babies that die for whatever reason have already been predestined for paradise or for hell:

“'A’isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah’s Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A’isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father’s loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father’s loins.” (Sahih Muslim book, 033, No. 6436)

So much for all the stuff that is in islam - you don’t need it - you are already predestined for heaven or hell.
 
R-Not, thank you for your comments, but you seem to have received the impression that Benjamine 808 is Muslim. Not that it matters much, but I never got that impression at all. In fact, my impression is that he is a Catholic.
 
R-Not, thank you for your comments, but you seem to have received the impression that Benjamine 808 is Muslim. Not that it matters much, but I never got that impression at all. In fact, my impression is that he is a Catholic.
Sorry about that. He does indeed sound like an apologist for them though. To tell us that allah is the God of Israel is to not have read the koran or hadiths, to know know the history of mohammed and islam - both past and present.

allah, islam nor mohammed have anything to do with Judaism/Christianity. And our clergy need to crack open a koran and hadiths and read them to stop misleading people about islam. islam says to kill, convert or subjugate us. That does not even sound similar to the God of Israel.

What is happening is that the muslims continue their assertion that they are ‘Abrahamic’ and too many just accept that at face value without doing any research. Neither Judaism, nor Christianity, refer to ourselves as ‘Abrahamic’ either. Just whenever muslims insert their diatribes about being a part of us.

If they had so much in common with us why are they killing and persecuting Jews and Christians for 1400 years and continuing? And they don’t stop there - they do the same to Hindus, Buddhists, and any non-muslim.

What a Pope said is also not infallible either, nor are we sinning to realize that allah is NOT the God of Israel. In fact, I have indeed sent emails to the Pope to ask him, or his helpers, to crack open a koran and find out for himself what I am saying.

If more people did what I did - maybe he will listen and stop this misleading of us about islam.
 
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