Catholics need to submit themselves to Allah

[R_not]

Calling God ‘allah’ would certainly make the muslims happy.

What have they ever done to make anyone else happy?

By calling God ‘allah’ all that would do is just embolden them to demand more and more. Their aim is not to stop at that, what they want is us to be not necessarily killed or convert, but to be subjugated to their sharia laws and to their idea of a god - allah, the pagan moon god and mohammed combined.

The muslims remain intolerant, bigoted and racist. And while they are whining that we are behaving as such, they continue with their jihad and the STATED goal of making islam the dominant ‘religion’. I put that in quotes because it is nothing but an imperialist political movement similar to the fascisms of nazism and communism. In some areas many are being tortured, persecuted, forced to convert, and killed.

‘Fascism and Paganism: A brief comparison of Nazism, Communism and Islam’

From the DVD, The Third Jihad

Abu Jahya al-Libi, Al Qaeda leader
‘According to our belief, the whole world must be under the rule of islam without exception, even a single grain of soil.’

Islamic Law Rally 2007.

• 70,000 to 80,000 turned out in support of sharia

Yousef Khattab, supporter
-‘islam will dominate, this is what it will be.’
-‘We want to see sharia here and it will be. The flag of , “there is no god other than allah, muhammed is the messenger of god”, will be (god willing) on the White House, if thats where we choose it to be. It just takes time, the American people are waking up now.’
-‘There is no compulsion in islam, that means, we cannot force it on you, but we will force islamic (sharia), god willing.’

Abu Mujahid, spokesperson islamic Thinkers Society (ITS)
‘allah does say that the whole world will eventually be under his rule. The rule will come down to where everyone obeys the laws of god (sharia), as simple as that.’

(my comment: all these guys have the same goals as Al Qaeda)

Dr. Zakir Naik
‘In some islamic countries, eg: saudi arabia, etc propogation of other religions is prohibited. Even construction of any place of worship is also prohibited. in koran 3:85, it is mentioned that allah will never accept any religion other than islam therefore knowing that islam is the only true religion we do not allow propogation of any other religion.’

These are just a few of the voices telling us their goals. There is a wealth of information from clerics in their mosques, the koran/hadiths, and muslims rioting shouting and carrying signs stating their goals.

 

[Robert_in_SD]

why do some people keep sayings things like Allah is not God. Did you not know that Allah is jut another name for God? Even Jesus calls His Father Allah in various Bibles in a different language. I dont get when Catholics on this site keep stating Allah is not God. I can comprehend why a lot of you are unwilling to justify Mohammeds actions, but saying that Muslims worship another God is just bogus to me. Even John Paull II said we all worship the **same** God in front of a Muslim crowd. So whats the deal with that? Only Because Mohammed used the name of Allah to get away with sinful acts, dosent mean other peacful Moslems do the same. They just dont know better. They are Moslems because they have been brought up that way.

I am basically saying that Jews and Muslims worship the Father of Jesus, and I don`t think its fair for anybody else to deny that.

May God Bless all of you.

Hello Benjamin;

I understand that Muslims and Christians both profess belief in the God of Abraham. So, in that sense I agree that we both worship the same One God. However, we certainly do differ markedly in our perception of that God. The Quran proclaims a different gospel brought to Mohammed by an angel of light. Christianity was delivered by the Son of God. The two religions are not compatible… but both seek to know and follow the God of Abraham. At least there is some common ground for fruitful dialogue.

Just my two cents.

Peace,
Robert

 

[trdchubi]

No way. No way!!!

I will only submit myself to the **ONLY TRUE God **of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit!!!

If I acknowledge the name of their god then i acknowledge the false doctrines of their prophet. All one has to do is to believe and say: “There is no god but allah and muhammed is his prophet” and you particularly accept this great pretender to be a credible prophet to believe in.

I will not worship a MOON god who has three goddess daughters.

No way!

 

[kyria]

I am basically saying that Jews and Muslims worship the Father of Jesus, and I don`t think its fair for anybody else to deny that.

Muslims deny the Trinity, they deny the Son. Because the deny Christ as the Son of God, Muslims do not have the Father. Their worship is incomplete.

But the one who disowns me in the presence of human beings, I will disown in the presence of my Father in heaven. Mat 10:33

Whoever denies the Son cannot have the Father either; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father too. 1John 2:23

If Muslims deny the Son, how can they fully worship the Father?

 

[LutheranDK]

Oh…so you discovered the mystery in the Trininty?? I dont think so. How in the world could you judge someone if they believe in 1 God or not? Dose not the Catholic Church teach that the Holy Trininty is a mystery? So if you claim they dont believe in God just because they abandon His Son, then you must fully understand the concept of 3 persons in 1 God. Sorry my brother, but I know for certain you do not. We accept the Holy Trinity in faith, they accept Allah in faith. They don`t go in details with the concept of God, we do. That is the only difference.

Their doctrine is to worship the same God Jesus worshipped, so it is highly offensive to say they don`t worship the same God.

The problem is that they DON’T worship the same God as Jesus did, regardless of what their doctrine says.
Seriously, it’s a no-brainer!

We Christians worship God as Triune (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit)
Muslims worship a god that has no Son, and from whom no Holy Spirit proceeds, and who is not “father”

Ergo: Christians and muslims (and rabbinical Jews for that matter) do not worship the same god.

I can “judge” what other people believe by listening to/reading what they say. It is not neccessary to fully grasp the mystery of the Trinity in order to say that muslims and we do not worship the same god. Logical fallacy - non-sequitur.

 

[LutheranDK]

No way. No way!!!

I will only submit myself to the **ONLY TRUE God **of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit!!!

If I acknowledge the name of their god then i acknowledge the false doctrines of their prophet. All one has to do is to believe and say: “There is no god but allah and muhammed is his prophet” and you particularly accept this great pretender to be a credible prophet to believe in.

I will not worship a MOON god who has three goddess daughters.

No way!

The word “Allah” is not the name of the god of islam. It simply MEANS “God” in Arabic, Turkish, etc. There is no other name for God in those languages, and Christians therefore should have no problem with using the word. What we need to do is make it clear that when we say “Allah”, we’re talking about the One, True, Triune God, and not the made-up “god” of Muhammed…

 

[chrisse]

Allah is the name of the muslim god (I disagree with LutheranDK on this point). Proof - the English translation :

“There is no god but allah”

Why isn’t this “There is no god but god” ???

I realise that many people in Islamic majority countries use this word instead of “God”, not referring to the islamic allah, but to YHWH.

Benjamin808 : It is clear from the title that you are a muslim not a Catholic as you claim on your profile. The word “submit” sort of gave it away

 

[trdchubi]

The word “Allah” is not the name of the god of islam. It simply MEANS “God” in Arabic, Turkish, etc. There is no other name for God in those languages, and Christians therefore should have no problem with using the word. What we need to do is make it clear that when we say “Allah”, we’re talking about the One, True, Triune God, and not the made-up “god” of Muhammed…

Yes I’m totally aware of that but my point is, this word for their god is completely generic for the muslim faith. I wouldn’t use it to address the true God in anyway.

In my country the Arabs has influenced the common name for god—batallah during precolonial times.

Today Filipinos would rather use the word ‘Panginoon’ or Dios to address the true God. Even muslim use this to address our God, so Christian would not be alienated with their statements.

 

[trdchubi]

The muslim worshipped the moon-god allah by praying toward mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to mecca; running around the temple of the moon-god called the kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The muslim’s claim that allah is the God of the Bible and that islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel…and muslim wants us to submit to this god? NO WAY

 

[chrisse]

The muslim worshipped the moon-god allah by praying toward mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to mecca; running around the temple of the moon-god called the kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The muslim’s claim that allah is the God of the Bible and that islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel…and muslim wants us to submit to this god? NO WAY

I agree, except for it being a revival. Mohammet went from a multi-culti pagan society to a mono-pagan society, hence the one god claim.

 

[Catholic1954]

Islam is a heresy. No one “needs” to submit to it.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Islam is a heresy. No one “needs” to submit to it.

Did I say that?

 

[Benjamin8o8]

if you could look at your ‘religion’ you would see that allah is nothing but a combination of mohammed’s pagan god before he thought up islam and his narcissistic self. As mohammed degenerated so did his allah. Then mohammed threw in some Bible stories that he didn’t even know and screwed them up royally. He couldn’t read and wasn’t even a Christian or a Jew, but a pagan. And his father was named ‘Abdullah’ which means servant of allah - that same allah that muslims worship at the kabaa and kiss that rock that they worship. That rock that muslims think has consciousness and will speak for them on Judgement Day. They deny they worship it, but all what they do is indeed worship.

And if you are predestined for heaven or hell - why do you do anything such as worshiping a rock? Or even bother with a prophet or the koran? You are already predestined for heaven or hell. Are you sure that those who die while murdering for allah will bypass predestination?

And they worship mohammed and the koran. So, you guys don’t even submit to your moon god either. You have a bunch of things that you worship over it. You kill if anyone tells the truth over mohammed, or that book called the koran.

The only thing I will submit to allah, islam and mohammed are the bottom of my shoes.

Saying that Muslims worship the moon god is like a non-christian saying we christians belive Jesus is the reincarnation of Mirtha. Come on man, let us put the conspiracy theories to the side, and face the facts. Muslims believe in the One God we do. They might not worship the way He wants them to, but that is their problem.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Hello Benjamin;

I understand that Muslims and Christians both profess belief in the God of Abraham. So, in that sense I agree that we both worship the same One God. However, we certainly do differ markedly in our perception of that God. The Quran proclaims a different gospel brought to Mohammed by an angel of light. Christianity was delivered by the Son of God. The two religions are not compatible… but both seek to know and follow the God of Abraham. At least there is some common ground for fruitful dialogue.

Just my two cents.

Peace,
Robert

I agree with you, and that is what I am stating. We Catholics should submit ourselves to Allah, and we do. Its just the conspiracy theorists that want to divide the brotherhood we share with our islamic brothers in Allah/God/Jesus.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

No way. No way!!!

I will only submit myself to the **ONLY TRUE God **of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit!!!

If I acknowledge the name of their god then i acknowledge the false doctrines of their prophet. All one has to do is to believe and say: “There is no god but allah and muhammed is his prophet” and you particularly accept this great pretender to be a credible prophet to believe in.

I will not worship a MOON god who has three goddess daughters.

No way!

Muslims and Catholics don`t neither. “We all worship the same God.”-John Paul II

 

[R_not]

We are not Arabs, neither Christianity nor Judaism, originated in Arabia and allah does not equal God.

The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god

Deut. 4:19 And when you look up to the heavens and behold the sun or the moon or any star among the heavenly hosts, do not be led astray into adoring them and serving hem. These the Lord, your God has let fall to the lot of all other nations under the heavens.

Deut. 17:3 …by serving other gods, or by worshiping the sun or the moon or any of he host of the sky, against my command.

II Kngs. 21:3,5; II Kngs. 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5

And this allah is nothing but a combination of mohammed’s moon god made worse because it became mohammed himself. It degenerated as mohammed degenerated through the years after mohammed thought up islam. We see that in the progression of the weaker Meccan surahs that were abrogated with the stronger Medina violent surahs.

If mohammed would have left the moon god as it was it would have stayed relatively benign and the people would not have become murderers for a god, or supported such murdering behaviors.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Muslims deny the Trinity, they deny the Son. Because the deny Christ as the Son of God, Muslims do not have the Father. Their worship is incomplete.

But the one who disowns me in the presence of human beings, I will disown in the presence of my Father in heaven. Mat 10:33

Whoever denies the Son cannot have the Father either; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father too. 1John 2:23

If Muslims deny the Son, how can they fully worship the Father?

Thats the thing...they dont **fully ** worship the Father, because they can`t. They even have to hide their faces when praying because they denied His son.

As far as the Holy veres you presented, I don`t disagree with them. Nobody can come to the father exept through Jesus Christ, Muslims will see that either on this life or the next.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

The problem is that they DON’T worship the same God as Jesus did, regardless of what their doctrine says.
Seriously, it’s a no-brainer!

We Christians worship God as Triune (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit)
Muslims worship a god that has no Son, and from whom no Holy Spirit proceeds, and who is not “father”

Ergo: Christians and muslims (and rabbinical Jews for that matter) do not worship the same god.

I can “judge” what other people believe by listening to/reading what they say. It is not neccessary to fully grasp the mystery of the Trinity in order to say that muslims and we do not worship the same god. Logical fallacy - non-sequitur.

Actually it is neccessary to fully grasp the mystery of the Trininty in order to say Muslims dont worship the same God. Jesus said not everyone who says lord lord unto me will enter My Kingdom, but the one that does the will of my Father. There is SO MUCH mystery in the concept of God, that our limited minds will never truly understand what and who God is. So if Muslims confess to themselves that there is only one God, and that God is the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus then yes...they believe in the same God. Therefore only because someone denies the Son, dosent mean they fully reject His Father for even you yourself can`t explain to nobody what the Holy Trininty is. This also means their doctrine does indeed matter.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

The word “Allah” is not the name of the god of islam. It simply MEANS “God” in Arabic, Turkish, etc. There is no other name for God in those languages, and Christians therefore should have no problem with using the word. What we need to do is make it clear that when we say “Allah”, we’re talking about the One, True, Triune God, and not the made-up “god” of Muhammed…

even though I agree with most of what you said, but I do have to disagree that Muhammed didnt make up no god. He just used Gods name for his selfish reasons, thats all.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

The muslim worshipped the moon-god allah by praying toward mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to mecca; running around the temple of the moon-god called the kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The muslim’s claim that allah is the God of the Bible and that islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel…and muslim wants us to submit to this god? NO WAY

any muslim can creat a theory against us as well. Saying we adobped the pagan son god, thus calling Jesus the Son of God and ect…

I thought we were above that, but appearntly not all of us are…