Catholics never speak well of one another

[Tis_Bearself]

Still off topic (the thread is about pro-abortion politicians), but whatever. Leaving this thread now.
Have a nice day yourself

 

[Tstarzyk2491]

The original post was about Catholics disagreeing with one another. You attempted to correct me and in doing so…allowed a beautiful parable-learning moment and also provided evidence for the original gentleman’s post.

“If you do not have nothing nice to say, do not say it.”

This site is for faith-filled individuals. Please direct yourself elsewhere if you would like to be rude.

Take care, God bless.

-Tom

 

[Horton]

Actually this site, Catholic Answers Forums, is a place where Catholics and those who wish to have discussions about topics that generally concern Catholics and/or the Catholic Church.

You joined this site a day ago. I would strongly suggest you wait a little while before attempting to correct long term members such as @Tis_Bearself. This thread, as indicated in the OP (original post) is about Catholics in public office.

 

[Tstarzyk2491]

When you read a book, you can discuss elements present within any chapter. Much like a post, I was addressing a central theme he had present.

If you took the time to read her original attempt at unnecessary negativity…then you may not have been so quick to jump on the hate-band wagon.

I may be on this site for a day, but I guarantee I live in a more Christ-like way than individuals that are so concerned with adding negativity to others lives. (Also, are Catholics not faith-filled individuals like I acclaimed?)

Sir/madam, I wish you health, wealth, happiness, and a good day. I no longer allow negativity or negative-persons to affect my day. God bless you and yours

 

[Horton]

If you took the time to read her original attempt at unnecessary negativity…then you may not have been so quick to jump on the hate-band wagon

I have read every post including hers. She stated your response was not in keeping with the topic of the OP. You then insulted her. Now you have insulted me. Apparently having civil discourse on a Catholic forum is something new to you. The TOS can be found here: https://forums.catholic-questions.org/tos It may be a good idea to read them if you wish to continue to interact on CAF (Catholic Answers Forums).

I guarantee I live in a more Christ-like way than individuals that are so concerned with adding negativity to others lives. (Also, are Catholics not faith-filled individuals like I acclaimed?)

Catholics value the virtues such as humility.

“One should pull the splinter out of their own eye before trying to remove the spec of sawdust from someone else’s.”

“If you do not have nothing nice to say, do not say it.”

It maybe possible you may need to reflect a bit further on these two quotes of yours.

 

[po18guy]

Please define “Catholic”

Does rabidly supporting anti-Catholic causes and being an activist for legislation which directly oppose the teaching of Christ via His Church make one “Catholic”?
Are liars therefore honorable because they claim to be honest?

 

[Horton]

I have flagged your posts for the moderators.

 

[NoelFitz]

I am very grateful for all the replies. Before commenting on individual replies I remind readers that we are sinners belonging to a holy church made up of unholy people. We ought to respect the consciences of others, while following our own, by not judging the state of the conscience of anybody.

Those who wish to stir discontent and ire are simply not the people in general, Catholics in particular, that I choose for fellowship or discourse.

Perhaps we should be prepared to talk t those who differ from us.

Always be ready to give an explanation to anyone who asks you for a reason for your hope, but do it with gentleness and reverence, keeping your conscience clear (1 Pet 3:15b,16a).

Catholics who believe in and follow Church teachings on difficult topics like abortion or SSM get a ton of crap.

I have no problem with those believing in SSM, since I consider marriage is a contract between a man and a woman and, as I define it, SSM does not exist.

 

[NoelFitz]

I’m sorry, but I really don’t understand what your post has to do with your title?

Sorry for not being clear. I tried to write that Catholic voters should vote Catholic politicians even if they disagree with some of their policies, while agreeing with others. Discern! We should support our own. Loyalty is important. But we should not vote for a Catholic just because (s)he is Catholic, remembering non-Catholics can have views we disagree with also.

I generally agree with you that Catholics had it worse in the olden days especially pre-JFK.

This is the first indication of agreement with me.

The vast majority of “Catholic politicians” nowadays support abortion and are often not very Catholic, or Christian

Personally I disagree with abortion. At times voters may vote to support a candidate’s views on issues other than abortion. If all candidates support abortion should one decide not to vote? Would you believe a candidate if he changes his mind frequently, has no record of integrity and in the past supported abortion? ‘Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me’.

I agree with you, and worry that if I were accused in court of being a Catholic would I be acquitted for lack of evidence. A Catholic is one baptized into the Catholic Church.

When many of those “Catholic” politicians support and encourage unlimited abortion, support same sex marriage, gender fluidity, breakdown of the family, and are against the freedom of religion it’s extremely difficult to really call them real Catholics,

I would find it hard to see how those advocating unlimited abortion, including partial birth abortion can justify their position, perhaps I am not too consistent.
Catholic teaching rejected freedom of religion, condemned in the Syllabus of Errors.
St Paul supported the Roman government, even though some of its views differed from Christianity.

Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God.

The majority of the “25%” you cite are fallen away Catholics who have nothing but disdain for organized religion, especially the Catholic Church.

This is the 13th post in this thread.
Are you sure of the above statement?
In Ireland it seems that many fallen away Catholics do so as they feel the Church has nothing to offer them.

 

[phil19034]

Sorry for not being clear. I tried to write that Catholic voters should vote Catholic politicians even if they disagree with some of their policies, while agreeing with others.

No. I’m not going to vote for a Catholic Heretic just because they are a baptized & confirmed Catholic.

Let’s look at Nancy for example. Forget her politics for a moment. If you read her comments about some of her “Catholic” beliefs, they are very heretical.

For example: over the years she has stated somethings that prove she was taught by heretical sisters at Trinity College in Washington, DC.

She has mentioned how her mother once asked her if she wanted to consider being a nun. Her reply was “I’d rather be a priest.”

She has often accused the Bishops of not confessing the same religion she was taught by the “nuns.” Those “nuns” she was referring to were the heretical sisters at Trinity College.

She says her Catholic faith teaches her that abortion & same sex marriage should legal. Her own parents believed that Abortion was a mortal sin and should be illegal.

These are all things she learned from the heretical sisters at Trinity College.

So no. I will not vote for a heretic just because they were baptized & confirmed as a Catholic.

 

[Tommy999]

When I first came to CAF, I had preconceived notions about how Catholics were like which have since been blown to smithereens.

For example, I once viewed Catholics as a monolithic group who all thought and acted similarly and who had their wills and human reason neutered by Church hierarchy. I’ve come to realize I was way off on that. It’s refreshing to have a wide variety of personalities and expressions under the same faith tradition. I’m impressed by that.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Perhaps we should be prepared to talk t those who differ from us.

Always be ready to give an explanation to anyone who asks you for a reason for your hope, but do it with gentleness and reverence, keeping your conscience clear (1 Pet 3:15b,16a).

And I said nothing about people who differ from me. We can differ without stirring discontent and ire.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

You answered the wrong person

 

[Horton]

Would you believe a candidate if he changes his mind frequently, has no record of integrity and in the past supported abortion? ‘Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me’.

So now we get to the main topic of this thread. We must vote for Democrats, Joe Biden, because he is Catholic, instead of voting for Trump!

In my opinion, anyone who votes for Biden, knowing his stated stance on abortion, is voting in support of abortion. Within the Church there is no grey area regarding abortion, it is intrinsically evil under all circumstances. Any person who supports abortion is in a state of mortal sin. It doesn’t matter if they throw the old caveat of “I would do it myself” in there. To support abortion is to sin.

 

[Day]

I know a few Catholics in name only who harass the Saints by saying they’re full of rubbish. At the same time they call themselves pious because of their long prayers why don’t they just give up.

 

[NoelFitz]

Have a great day. Take care.

Thanks Tom. I am heartened by your post.
Some time ago I heard an Irish bishop claiming his responsibility was to all who were baptized Catholic in his diocese, I agree with him.
Many Irish Catholics do not attend Mass, but there is something of Christ in them. In some Irish parishes less than 2% of Catholics practice. It is difficult for those who love and try to serve the Church to hang on. That is why your post meant so much to me.

“One should pull the splinter out of their own eye before trying to remove the spec of sawdust from someone else’s.”

I am loath to mention anything about the tax collector and the pharisee.

Please define “Catholic”

A member of the one , holy, catholic and apostolic church.

It’s refreshing to have a wide variety of personalities and expressions under the same faith tradition. I’m impressed by that.

There are very few dogmas that all faithful Catholics hold.
I am reminded of:
In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas (unity in necessary things; freedom in doubtful things; in all things love).

Any person who supports abortion is in a state of mortal sin.

I note in CNBC (May 2019) ‘The president maintained that he is strongly pro-life despite supporting certain exceptions to anti-abortion laws.’

I also see that Mr Trump said: 'I am strongly pro-life, with the three exceptions – rape, incest and protecting the life of the mother.

Does this mean a a Catholic cannot vote for Mr Trump.?

 

[Horton]

I also see that Mr Trump said: 'I am strongly pro-life, with the three exceptions – rape, incest and protecting the life of the mother.

Does this mean a a Catholic cannot vote for Mr Trump.?

I understand your meaning completely. Voting for Trump will always be evil and you will find any circumstances to fit your stance. In your mind it is better to vote for a Democrat who fully supports unlimited abortion that to vote for President Trump because you hate him. You throw in the Catholic part to somehow find others to agree with you.

Thanks Tom. I am heartened by your post.

You do realize Tom is not Catholic don’t you?

 

[Limoncello4021]

“You throw in the Catholic part to somehow find others to agree with you.” You are correct. The O.P. posts a number of threads on this topic that all lead to this conclusion.

 

[NoelFitz]

There is also free will to consider, but let us hope that grace will prevail.
I am reminded of the play ‘Juno and the Paycock’ by Sean O’Casey:
“These things have nothin’ to do with the Will o’ God. Ah, what can God do agen the stupidity o’ men!’”
There seems to me to be a conflict betwee God’s grace and the sanctifying Holy Spirit. This debate is for another time.
Again I remember Julian of Norwich - “All shall be well, and all shall be well and all manner of thing shall be well.”

 

[po18guy]

Hitler was a Catholic. So was the assassin of US President
Abraham Lincoln: John Wilkes Booth.

Shining examples? Should we laud their efforts?

Someone who had the great good fortune of being baptized into the Catholic Church, but since has repeatedly and obstinately spat in her face is not a “Catholic” by any stretch of the imagination - any more than believing Judas was faithful to the end.

I do not know President Trump’s current thinking on life. I know that he has had an awakening in this area.

Contrast that with the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth abortion activists in the other major party.

Can you not see a primary difference?